ketchup ? Catsup?

[newb111]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...d=Big+Red+Tomato+Sauce

= Tomato Sauce

http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...+Heinz+Organic+Ketchup

= Ketchup


There is no difference




Lol i am trying to have a light hearted discussion about how tomato sauce abd ketchup is the exact same thing but in the USA you call it ketchup and in Aus we call it tomato sauce.

You are trying to make connections where none exist. You claim that because Ketchup = Tomato sauce in your backwards country, anything called tomato in your country is called ketchup here. Simply not true.

I find it ironic you call Aus backward
1) America has not adopted the metric system
2) you have not signed kyoto and are the biggest polluters

1) Don't need it.
2) Don't care.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...d=Big+Red+Tomato+Sauce

= Tomato Sauce

http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...+Heinz+Organic+Ketchup

= Ketchup


There is no difference




Lol i am trying to have a light hearted discussion about how tomato sauce abd ketchup is the exact same thing but in the USA you call it ketchup and in Aus we call it tomato sauce.

You are trying to make connections where none exist. You claim that because Ketchup = Tomato sauce in your backwards country, anything called tomato in your country is called ketchup here. Simply not true.

I find it ironic you call Aus backward
1) America has not adopted the metric system
2) you have not signed kyoto and are the biggest polluters

Actually per unit of GDP, we are among the least polluting on the planet. If you want to stop global warming, you should advocate shutting down all industry and exporting it to the US. :evil:

And yeah, we need to get on that metric system thing. But we're lazy.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...d=Big+Red+Tomato+Sauce

= Tomato Sauce

http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...+Heinz+Organic+Ketchup

= Ketchup


There is no difference




Lol i am trying to have a light hearted discussion about how tomato sauce abd ketchup is the exact same thing but in the USA you call it ketchup and in Aus we call it tomato sauce.

You are trying to make connections where none exist. You claim that because Ketchup = Tomato sauce in your backwards country, anything called tomato in your country is called ketchup here. Simply not true.

I find it ironic you call Aus backward
1) America has not adopted the metric system
2) you have not signed kyoto and are the biggest polluters

1) Don't need it.
2) Don't care.

Do you know what a douche is? Go look in the mirror

 

[HumblePie]

To snip this from somewhere else...

For years the debate raged on.is that smooth tomatoey condiment properly spelled Ketchup or Catsup? Some would say.does it matter? And of course the answer is Yes. Although the current trend among manufacturers seems to be to use the spelling "Ketchup", "Catsup" lovers refuse to give in. Why? It?s a subject of interest to all that I would like to delve into. Let's start with where it all began.
Ke-tsiap or Kecap was a spicy pickled-fish condiment popular in 17th-century China and is said to be the origin of the name "ketchup." British seamen brought the ke-tsiap home, then introducing it to other nations. Catsup without tomatoes is almost unimaginable these days But it wasn't until the late 1700s that canny New Englanders added tomatoes to the blend and it became what we know today as ketchup. Even a century ago, catsup cooks were still only dabbling with tomato-based recipes, while also trying a surprising array of vegetables and fruits such as plums, walnuts, mangoes or mushrooms that were being turned into a condiment and called Ketchup. Not so talented cooks were also trying, shaved tree bark, pig parts, or dust-based catsups. None were successful among the masses.even with heavy onion and garlic added.
But how, you may say, can this be? One minute you have a fish sauce, and then suddenly you have tomato ketchup? When did we take the fork down the "tomato" catsup road? Perhaps it was in 1876 when Heinz produced their Ketchup with tomato and it made its way into the American kitchen. Then as more manufacturers entered the marketplace, so came more variations of the spelling. And so the controversy began. Soon there were Ketchups, Catsups, Catchups, Katsups, Catsips, Cotsups, Kotchups, Kitsips, Catsoups, Katshoups, Katsocks, Cackchops, Cornchops, Cotpocks, Kotpocks, Kutpucks, Kutchpucks and of course Cutchpucks. All were tomato based and bottled. All vied for the becoming the household word. But as these small locally produced and often homemade varieties went by the wayside and America entered the 1950's, it appeared as if only 3 major brands remained to steal the spotlight.Heinz Ketchup, Del Monte Catsup, and Hunts, who could not decide on a spelling and bottled under the names Hunts Catsup (east of the Mississippi), Hunts Ketchup (west of the Mississippi), and Hunts Tomato Cornchops (in Iowa only).
Now it was a matter of advertising dollars and a cunning advertising strategy as to which spelling would win out. But there were more failures than successes. Del Monte?s jingle ?Even Cats like our Catsup!? drew a lawsuit from one customer who overfed it to her cat causing it to have stomach problems and hair with an unnatural red-orange glow. It ended after weeks of litigation with a million-dollar settlement and two years of free hairdying for the cat. Heinz trying to play up their spelling and new plastic bottle was ridiculed by English teachers everywhere for their promotion ?You don?t need to ?ketch? it when it drops!?, forcing Heinz to make huge donations to the ?Erase Illiteracy in America? program. In the end, no matter how hard they tried to set the name standard, the people remained divided. By the 1980's Americans had factioned into two groups, the Ketchupers and the Catsupers. (The Cornchoppers remained a subgroup of the Ketchupers for several decades until Hunts finally dropped the name when their mascot, Cornchoppy, who they sent around to promote the product, overindulged on cider at the State Fair and goosed the governor's wife during the apple pie judging, bringing disastrous press.)
Now the final battle began. In an attempt to raise their visibility, the Catsupers declared a slogan, "Its "Cat" not "Ket" so let's spell it that way! It?s simple to spell..Its simple to say!? which prompted the ketchupers to counter with "Catsup Schmatsup." Unfortunately the Catsupers were losing ground. No matter how hard they fought for ease of spelling, marketshare was going to the Ketchupers. The final straw came in the 1980's when Ketchup was declared a vegetable on the government's standards for school lunch menus. Suddenly Del Monte's Catsup, because of its spelling, was not on the approved list. Heartbroken Catsupers could see the end in sight. It wasn't long afterwards that Del Monte changed the product's name to Del Monte Ketchup. True Catsupers remain hopeful though. Catsuper President Vance Carson comments, "We're trying to get the government to add Catsup to its list of vegetables, too. But then the Mustard people heard this and they got all riled up and started a lobby, too. Then the Worcestershire Sauce people and the Mayonnaise people and the Salad Dressing people followed. All these other groups trying to be listed as vegetables suddenly boondoggled the entire campaign. And the name change is only Phase 1, too. Phase 2 will be reconvincing a manufacturer to use the name Catsup. Yea its a long battle.I don't know.sometimes I just don't know." Ketchuper President Lyle Kent responds by throwing up his arms, "Its like they just can't let it go can they? Pack of sore losers."
So the controversy goes on.
--------------------------------------...
There are several theories on the origin of the word "ketchup". Some claim the word may originate from the Cantonese dialect (Chinese) phrase ke-tsiap ( ?? ) which literally means eggplant sauce. The Cantonese phrase for tomato is fan-ke ( ?? ), which means "foreign eggplant". The Oxford English Dictionary states that in the Chinese Amoy dialect, "kôechiap" or "kê-tsiap" signifies "brine of pickled fish or shell-fish" (Douglas Chinese Dict. 46/1, 242/1). The word may also have come from the Malay kchap (in Dutch spellling "ketjap"), a fish sauce that does not contain tomatoes. The Malay word means taste.

Basically the almost wall of text is trying to say is that it was from a Chinese condiment. Later New englanders added tomatoes to it and butchered the spelling of the Chinese word. Since everyone knows New Englanders butcher the spelling and pronunciation of just about every word, everyone tried to come up with their own variation.

However, the masses typically bought 3 brands and they either spelled Ketchup or Catsup depending upon which part of the country you lived. Del Monte did back in the 80's what Toshiba did with the HD DVD versus sony blu-ray and gave up. Now it's all Ketchup here in the USA.

Heck, even the spell checker for Anandtech lets Ketchup go through, but wants to correct Catsup. But I do find it funny the spell checker for Anandtech wants to correct me on the word Anandtech. Anyhow, like most American products that eventually find their way out to the global market, sometimes product names change to get people to buy a product. They tried to introduce Ketchup to Australia, but Australians wouldn't buy it since they couldn't understand that Ketchup was a form of tomato sauce condiment. So to dumb it down for the guys down under, it was just called tomato sauce. Now it can be confused with all the other tomato sauces that are possible over there.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: HumblePie

Heck, even the spell checker for Anandtech lets Ketchup go through, but wants to correct Catsup. But I do find it funny the spell checker for Anandtech wants to correct me on the word Anandtech. Anyhow, like most American products that eventually find their way out to the global market, sometimes product names change to get people to buy a product. They tried to introduce Ketchup to Australia, but Australians wouldn't buy it since they couldn't understand that Ketchup was a form of tomato sauce condiment. So to dumb it down for the guys down under, it was just called tomato sauce. Now it can be confused with all the other tomato sauces that are possible over there.

haah somtimes things do need to be dumbed down...

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: kstu
No, once again YOU are wrong. We have tomato paste, tomato sauce, and ketchup/catsup and all three are different.

you should draw a diagram and include tomato soup

Tomato Paste

Tomato Sauce

Ketchup

Tomato Soup

Tomato

Is that last one a fruit or a vegetable? Just wondering.

technically a fruit, it's considered a vegetable for the purposes of tarrifs and crap.

 

[newb111]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...d=Big+Red+Tomato+Sauce

= Tomato Sauce

http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...+Heinz+Organic+Ketchup

= Ketchup


There is no difference




Lol i am trying to have a light hearted discussion about how tomato sauce abd ketchup is the exact same thing but in the USA you call it ketchup and in Aus we call it tomato sauce.

You are trying to make connections where none exist. You claim that because Ketchup = Tomato sauce in your backwards country, anything called tomato in your country is called ketchup here. Simply not true.

I find it ironic you call Aus backward
1) America has not adopted the metric system
2) you have not signed kyoto and are the biggest polluters

1) Don't need it.
2) Don't care.

Do you know what a douche is? Go look in the mirror

So the definition of douche in australia is someone who doesn't share your point of view? Learn something new every day.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...d=Big+Red+Tomato+Sauce

= Tomato Sauce

http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...+Heinz+Organic+Ketchup

= Ketchup


There is no difference




Lol i am trying to have a light hearted discussion about how tomato sauce abd ketchup is the exact same thing but in the USA you call it ketchup and in Aus we call it tomato sauce.

You are trying to make connections where none exist. You claim that because Ketchup = Tomato sauce in your backwards country, anything called tomato in your country is called ketchup here. Simply not true.

I find it ironic you call Aus backward
1) America has not adopted the metric system
2) you have not signed kyoto and are the biggest polluters

1) Don't need it.
2) Don't care.

Do you know what a douche is? Go look in the mirror

So the definition of douche in australia is someone who doesn't share your point of view? Learn something new every day.

No retard, i dont care if you have a different point of view from me.
Kyoto is designed to (the bits i deal with) protect the ozone layer, you dont look after that we all die and tomatos wont grow.

 

[So]

Well, this thread inspired me to go down to the nearest in-n-out and get some ketchup and fries. in-n-out

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...d=Big+Red+Tomato+Sauce

= Tomato Sauce

http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...+Heinz+Organic+Ketchup

= Ketchup


There is no difference




Lol i am trying to have a light hearted discussion about how tomato sauce abd ketchup is the exact same thing but in the USA you call it ketchup and in Aus we call it tomato sauce.

You are trying to make connections where none exist. You claim that because Ketchup = Tomato sauce in your backwards country, anything called tomato in your country is called ketchup here. Simply not true.

I find it ironic you call Aus backward
1) America has not adopted the metric system
2) you have not signed kyoto and are the biggest polluters

1) Don't need it.
2) Don't care.

Do you know what a douche is? Go look in the mirror

So the definition of douche in australia is someone who doesn't share your point of view? Learn something new every day.

No retard, i dont care if you have a different point of view from me.
Kyoto is designed to (the bits i deal with) protect the ozone layer, you dont look after that we all die and tomatos wont grow.

lol, that's not what the kyoto was designed to do at all!

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...d=Big+Red+Tomato+Sauce

= Tomato Sauce

http://www.heinz.com.au/Food/f...+Heinz+Organic+Ketchup

= Ketchup


There is no difference




Lol i am trying to have a light hearted discussion about how tomato sauce abd ketchup is the exact same thing but in the USA you call it ketchup and in Aus we call it tomato sauce.

You are trying to make connections where none exist. You claim that because Ketchup = Tomato sauce in your backwards country, anything called tomato in your country is called ketchup here. Simply not true.

I find it ironic you call Aus backward
1) America has not adopted the metric system
2) you have not signed kyoto and are the biggest polluters

1) Don't need it.
2) Don't care.

Do you know what a douche is? Go look in the mirror

So the definition of douche in australia is someone who doesn't share your point of view? Learn something new every day.

No retard, i dont care if you have a different point of view from me.
Kyoto is designed to (the bits i deal with) protect the ozone layer, you dont look after that we all die and tomatos wont grow.

lol, that's not what the kyoto was designed to do at all!

only a dumbass austalian would bring up kyoto anyways. per capita carbon output australia is basically right behind the us.

 

[Howard]

feckin trolling up the ass

 

[Terabyte]

It seems like the all the non-usa members are either trolls or annoying...or maybe both :laugh:

 

[clamum]

Man, what a pile of shit this thread is. Burn the fucker down.

 

[SonnyDaze]

Musturd.