Kerry to choose VP candidate
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CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Picking a VP candidate early creates the potential for stagnation after the convention. But then again it seems kerry needs a boost at the moment because there isn't much energy surrounding him. It seems as though kerry has decided he needs the boost choosing a VP candidate can bring now instead of later. Desperation? Not necessarily, but it may be a signal that the heat of the spotlight is wearing on him and he needs a big diversion.
There has been MAJOR posturing done by a few to try to catch kerry's eye, but I think one of the most flagrant examples is Iowa Governor - tom vilsack. It was quite the political move to have your wife endorse kerry when the other "big" dems in Iowa were supporting the scream machine dean. Vilsack couldn't risk endorsing dean because he'd look like a fool when he lost the nomination - just like Harkin looks like now.
Anyway, it was quite a ingenious move on his part - stick his wife out there for the "establishment" candidate and still stay quiet yourself so as to not buck Harkin or other leftists here.
There are other things vilsack has done to audition for the VP spot, but those can be addressed when he gets picked.
tom pillage-N-sack is who I'm putting my money on for kerry's VP pick. Not only will vilsack not overshadow kerry on charisma like other VP picks easily could do, he would also help shore up the mainstream dem vote for kerry(since kerry hasn't exactly lit them on fire).
I'm sure Bowfinger has an opinion on the viability of pillage-N-sack as kerry's VP since Bow lives here in Iowa too and has witnessed the political show he's been putting on.
CkG
There has been MAJOR posturing done by a few to try to catch kerry's eye, but I think one of the most flagrant examples is Iowa Governor - tom vilsack. It was quite the political move to have your wife endorse kerry when the other "big" dems in Iowa were supporting the scream machine dean. Vilsack couldn't risk endorsing dean because he'd look like a fool when he lost the nomination - just like Harkin looks like now.
Anyway, it was quite a ingenious move on his part - stick his wife out there for the "establishment" candidate and still stay quiet yourself so as to not buck Harkin or other leftists here.There are other things vilsack has done to audition for the VP spot, but those can be addressed when he gets picked.
tom pillage-N-sack is who I'm putting my money on for kerry's VP pick. Not only will vilsack not overshadow kerry on charisma like other VP picks easily could do, he would also help shore up the mainstream dem vote for kerry(since kerry hasn't exactly lit them on fire).
I'm sure Bowfinger has an opinion on the viability of pillage-N-sack as kerry's VP since Bow lives here in Iowa too and has witnessed the political show he's been putting on.
CkG
CAD, while Kerry ain't exactly a political powerhouse, I wouldn't see that as the reasoning for wanting to choose a VP soon. Its that theres a lot of negative energy surrounding the Administration and Kerry is doing something that people like Dean should've done - shut up and let the competition destroy themselves. I think Kerry is waiting for the moment the cameras go off of Bush and back onto him. Because you know VERY WELL that the white house goes into uber-offensive-mode (edit: and clouds the more important issues) the moment a valid threat pops up.
Zebo
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A lesser-known figure that bears watching, I?m told: Virginia Gov. Mark Warner. ?He just convinced his Republican legislature to raise taxes by a billion dollars,? said one plugged-in Dem. ?Pretty impressive.?
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Ya that's real impressive. As far a valsack sounds too russian.
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Ya that's real impressive. As far a valsack sounds too russian.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
That's what I'm saying. Kerry feels the he is going to need the diversion now instead of later. It is alot more complicated than you or I posted about but the spotlight factor is huge. Naming a VP can take some heat off and let you recoup. It can also provide the appearance of "momentum" going into the Convention. The problem with this strategy is if the party has anything less than a wild party of a caucus, as it could deflate any supposed "momentum" they tried to create. It also leaves the late summer/fall wide open and long - which could cause stagnation.
But sure - kerry needs to shut his trap. He is bringing alot of this upon himself. But I disagree with the notion that the Bush camp will destroy themselves. The press and the left will still go after the admin whether or not kerry decides to shut up or not. The problem with him shutting up though - is stagnation. Whether that stagnation becomes a factor sooner or later is what he has to decide. He's chosen to risk going into the home stretch to battle it out with stagnation, which IMO is a good choice at the moment. There are a *few* rumblings in the ranks about him as the nominee. By him "taking charge"
and picking a nominee - he absolutely secures the nomination(unless he picks a loser) and silences the rumblings.Lots of issues and politicking to slog through...
CkG
He needs a VP so he can play the good cop bad cop routine Bush and Cheney have been doing. Cheney is bashing and attacking Kerry everyday, giving the same speech over and over, and Bush acting above the fray.
Kerry needs someone to negatively attack Bush so he can focus on the positive. Also, two people can go to twice as many fundraisers
Kerry needs someone to negatively attack Bush so he can focus on the positive. Also, two people can go to twice as many fundraisers
He's said before by the end of May. I think it was on Meet The Press last week that he said that.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: Chadder007
IB Kerry chooses Kennedy.
Not even kerry would be that dumb. 'Ol swimmer as VP would equal instant defeat for kerry.
CkG
GoPackGo
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Egomaniac Kerry will not pick someone stronger politically than himself.
Otherwise you question who is actually the better person for the job.
Look at the last few:
Gore
Quayle
Bush
Mondale
Rockefeller
Of the last 5 - not counting Cheney the only VP to be elected President is Bush. Truth be told the two main reasons Bush won is that Dukakis really sucked and Reagan campaigned for him. You hear of people talking about Reagan Democrats...but no Clinton Republicans.
I think if Clinton would have campaigned heavily for Gore, Gore could have won in a landslide, but Gore's pride got in the way.
If recent history is any clue, Kerry will pick someone who will do his bidding....I doubt Edwards is willing to be that person.
If he was smart he'd pick Joe Bidden or what do you think if he could get Nader to be his VP?
Otherwise you question who is actually the better person for the job.
Look at the last few:
Gore
Quayle
Bush
Mondale
Rockefeller
Of the last 5 - not counting Cheney the only VP to be elected President is Bush. Truth be told the two main reasons Bush won is that Dukakis really sucked and Reagan campaigned for him. You hear of people talking about Reagan Democrats...but no Clinton Republicans.
I think if Clinton would have campaigned heavily for Gore, Gore could have won in a landslide, but Gore's pride got in the way.
If recent history is any clue, Kerry will pick someone who will do his bidding....I doubt Edwards is willing to be that person.
If he was smart he'd pick Joe Bidden or what do you think if he could get Nader to be his VP?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
This wouldn't surprise me:
"Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico has the résumé -- former Cabinet secretary, former U.N. ambassador, former member of Congress -- and as a Hispanic executive from the Southwest, might be a strong counterbalance to a ticket topped by a senator from New England."
If Kerry can put together what is perceived as a strong cabinet, much like what Bush did in 2000, he'll have a much better chance of winning in November. IMO.
"Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico has the résumé -- former Cabinet secretary, former U.N. ambassador, former member of Congress -- and as a Hispanic executive from the Southwest, might be a strong counterbalance to a ticket topped by a senator from New England."
If Kerry can put together what is perceived as a strong cabinet, much like what Bush did in 2000, he'll have a much better chance of winning in November. IMO.
Kerry's already leading bush in the polls. Go check rasmussen, he's got a 2% lead over bush. Whoever said Kerry's is in trouble or is stagnating is dumb and doesn't know what their talking about.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
And Gallup has Bush up by 5 points. You obviously don't have a clue about stagnation and how it affects the run up to the election otherwise you wouldn't have posted what you did. The issue of stagnation is a problem for all long campaigns. The same tired speeches, long hours on a bus/plane, etc - it all takes it's toll and the people see that. The VP selection is about the only "advantage" a challenger has in the Presidential election. It's extra free press and it can take the spotlight off the Presidential nominee for a few days or up to a week or two. It ads a fresh dynamic to the campaign and is something visibly new for the voting populous.
So anyway - I'm not going to spend any more time on you - you obviously haven't the slightest clue in regards to the "strategery" of the election campaign and the VP pick.
CkG
And who does all this Catholicism matter to anyway? I don't think the funda-mentals will be voting for Kerry anyway.
Zephyr
cad you are nothing more than a mindless republican drone. You won't admit to any wrongdoing of your party whatsoever. Rasmussen polls are the result of many polls taken and surveyed. Kerry is leading bush by 2 %, so that to me is worth more than the gallup poll is. Also the latest gallup poll is April 16-18, guess what day today is dumbass.
why don't you guys actually bring something to the debates instead of the same discrediting and refuting. You won't bring up any facts contrary to the arguments.
Look what you brought. Sudheer Anne
why don't you guys actually bring something to the debates instead of the same discrediting and refuting. You won't bring up any facts contrary to the arguments.
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why don't you guys actually bring something to the debates instead of the same discrediting and refuting. You won't bring up any facts contrary to the arguments.
:music:
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