Kerry should release his military records

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
President Bush recently authorized the release of his complete file of his military service in the National Guard.

Why doesn't Kerry do the same?

I don't know, why?

Because Kery has something to hide?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
President Bush recently authorized the release of his complete file of his military service in the National Guard.

Why doesn't Kerry do the same?

I don't know, why?

Because Kery has something to hide?

If he does then using his Military Record in his Campaign is a bad idea which surely will come back and bite him in the ass. It's no wonder we as a nation keep finding ourselves in such messy predicaments like Iraq with flawed individuals like Kerry and Bush as our leaders or potential leaders.

 

[Ferocious]

I have to believe it's the brownshirts that are talking about Kerry's military record.

Surely Karl Rove and co. must be cringing and hoping they all shut up on this issue.

Rove surely can't be so stupid as to initiate anything like this.

Hell Bush's military record couldn't even stand up to Gore's (never awol) let alone touch Kerry's.

 

[0roo0roo]

oh god, he listed vietnam veterans against john kerry, the same sampley group that in the 2000 campaign for president called senator McCain a collaborating coward for surviving the POW camps.

and frankly, are you calling kerrys band of brothers liars? a band of brothers bush never had.... for obvious reasons.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
I have to believe it's the brownshirts that are talking about Kerry's military record.

Damn UPS

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
I have to believe it's the brownshirts that are talking about Kerry's military record.

Surely Karl Rove and co. must be cringing and hoping they all shut up on this issue.

You mean they're not one and the same?

Rove surely can't be so stupid as to initiate anything like this.

Sure, he can. Will he? Let's watch and see. :music:

 

[Shuxclams]

Red Dawn is still supporting McCain..... Oh how I wish he were running myself. Hey Dawn check out the Senetors from Rhode Island and R.I. Politics seeing how your so close to it..... Its a crazy breed of politics but one that seems to make sense.... "Stay the hell outta my bussiness" attitude..













SHUX

 

[Perknose]

Would Kerry be able to black out anything potentially embarrassing (what!?, only three purple hearts) like Bush did?

Some excerpts:

"Two forms in Bush's publicly released military files ? his enlistment application and a background check ? contain blacked-out entries in response to questions about arrests or convictions.

"The nature of what was blacked out in Bush's records is important because certain legal problems, such as drug or alcohol violations, could have been a basis for denying an applicant entry into the Guard or pilot training."

"Burkett says that the state Guard commander, Maj. Gen. Daniel James III, discussed "cleansing" Bush's military files of embarrassing or incriminating documents in the summer of 1997. At the time, Burkett was a lieutenant colonel and a chief adviser to James."

 

[Riprorin]

I'm enjoying all the spin. So why hasn't Senator Kerry authorized the release of his service records as President Bush has?

It's a simple question, how about an answer?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm enjoying all the spin. So why hasn't Senator Kerry authorized the release of his service records as President Bush has?

It's a simple question, how about an answer?

How about you ask someone who would actually know the answer? I seriously doubt that anybody here would have anymore insight into this than you. Maybe you should try googling for your answer!

 

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm enjoying all the spin. So why hasn't Senator Kerry authorized the release of his service records as President Bush has?

It's a simple question, how about an answer?

Riprorin,

The answer is obvious. Kerry invites people he served with to almost every engagment he has, he introduces tham as such and these people talk openly about Kerry's service. Bush has yet to come up with one person... one name of a person that served with him and nobody has stepped forward either. He (Kerry) openly displays his medals and talks about his service as a strong point in his character. I don't think it would be at all wise for the Bush campian to ask for it... it would only make President Bush's record more suspect and bring an obvious problem to the forefront... yet again. Besides the Bush campian has their hands full with the Clarke testamony and is desperate to put that fire out before it sinks his campian. So go ahead and call your senator and ask them to make a statement to see Kerry's record, matter of fact why not write Sen. Kerry's office and request it your self.










SHUX

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Here's a veteran that doesn't care for him much...

OK. So let's think about that for a minute. We were misled by our own government about the reasons we were in Viet Nam. That isn't to demean the service and sacrifice by those troops who fought there, but we were there under false pretenses. Sound familiar... < cough > Iraq < cough > ??? :Q

Now, you and I may not approve of Viet Nam's form of government, or even the way they treat their citizens, but unlike North Korea, they are developing as a nation, both in the standard of living available to their citizens, and in internal and international trade. AND, unlike North Korea, they they don't have nukes, nor, as far as we know, are they posing any threat of devloping any WMD's. :Q

Still, they do have a lot of people in need of development, and a lot of what they have to overcome is the damage we did to them. Under those conditions, exploring ways of improving relations with them doesn't seem particularly outrageous or even wrong.

After Kerry sold out the POW/MIAs and the Vietnamese people by preventing a vote on the Vietnam Human Rights Act (HR2833), which would have made lifting trade restrictions contingent on Communist Vietnam restoring basic human rights, Vietnam signed its first huge commercial deal worth at least $905 million to develop a deep-sea commercial port at Vung Tau. "It signed the deal with a company called Colliers International. At the time, the Chief Executive Officer of this company was C. Stewart Forbes. Name sound familiar? It should. He is Senator John F. Kerry?s cousin. What a coincidence!"

 

[amok]

Its interesting that this topic should come up, because I actually had a rather lengthy conversation with one of the people in Kerry's unit this week. It was a rather chance meeting, as the guy's wife works for my uncle, who I spent a couple of days visiting this week. My uncle is a die hard liberal, and I was talking to him about my concerns about Kerry, when he said that I hadn't heard the half of it. Ofc, he then went on to tell me that it didn't really matter, because Kerry was still the lesser of the two evils in this election. I got him to arrange a visit with his friend, who strangely enough is also a die hard dem, and would only tell me his stories after he had reassurance from my uncle that I wasn't a republican or a reporter (in that order apparently ).

When I got to his house he showed me his pictures from back in the war, including some of him and Kerry together. He then told me some rather appalling stories of both savageness and staged heroism. He freely admits that he has a very low opinion of Kerry, but refuses to come forward with any of his info because he feels GWB to be even worse.

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
oh god, he listed vietnam veterans against john kerry, the same sampley group that in the 2000 campaign for president called senator McCain a collaborating coward for surviving the POW camps.

and frankly, are you calling kerrys band of brothers liars? a band of brothers bush never had.... for obvious reasons.

That's just the thing. I believed the man I spoke to a couple of days ago. I had a chance to look him right in his eyes as he told me about the events surrounding Kerry back in the war. I also had a chance to listen to him explain the reasons that despite his 30+ year old grudges, he still thinks Kerry the lesser of the two evils come November's election. He wasn't lying to me, and had absolutely no reason to do so.

I have lots of reservations regarding Bush. At the same time, I believe that perhaps the matter regarding Kerry's military service should see the light of day. He made some rather bad choices all those years ago, and now he needs to explain them.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Here's a veteran that doesn't care for him much...

OK. So let's think about that for a minute. We were misled by our own government about the reasons we were in Viet Nam. That isn't to demean the service and sacrifice by those troops who fought there, but we were there under false pretenses. Sound familiar... < cough > Iraq < cough > ??? :Q

Now, you and I may not approve of Viet Nam's form of government, or even the way they treat their citizens, but unlike North Korea, they are developing as a nation, both in the standard of living available to their citizens, and in internal and international trade. AND, unlike North Korea, they they don't have nukes, nor, as far as we know, are they posing any threat of devloping any WMD's. :Q

Still, they do have a lot of people in need of development, and a lot of what they have to overcome is the damage we did to them. Under those conditions, exploring ways of improving relations with them doesn't seem particularly outrageous or even wrong.

After Kerry sold out the POW/MIAs and the Vietnamese people by preventing a vote on the Vietnam Human Rights Act (HR2833), which would have made lifting trade restrictions contingent on Communist Vietnam restoring basic human rights, Vietnam signed its first huge commercial deal worth at least $905 million to develop a deep-sea commercial port at Vung Tau. "It signed the deal with a company called Colliers International. At the time, the Chief Executive Officer of this company was C. Stewart Forbes. Name sound familiar? It should. He is Senator John F. Kerry?s cousin. What a coincidence!"

How did he sell out the POWs and the MIA's with that deal?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Shuxclams

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm enjoying all the spin. So why hasn't Senator Kerry authorized the release of his service records as President Bush has?

It's a simple question, how about an answer?

Riprorin,

The answer is obvious. Kerry invites people he served with to almost every engagment he has, he introduces tham as such and these people talk openly about Kerry's service. Bush has yet to come up with one person... one name of a person that served with him and nobody has stepped forward either. He (Kerry) openly displays his medals and talks about his service as a strong point in his character. I don't think it would be at all wise for the Bush campian to ask for it... it would only make President Bush's record more suspect and bring an obvious problem to the forefront... yet again. Besides the Bush campian has their hands full with the Clarke testamony and is desperate to put that fire out before it sinks his campian. So go ahead and call your senator and ask them to make a statement to see Kerry's record, matter of fact why not write Sen. Kerry's office and request it your self.

SHUX

I think I'll do that. There must be some investigative journalists that are looking into this stuff.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: amok
Its interesting that this topic should come up, because I actually had a rather lengthy conversation with one of the people in Kerry's unit this week. It was a rather chance meeting, as the guy's wife works for my uncle, who I spent a couple of days visiting this week. My uncle is a die hard liberal, and I was talking to him about my concerns about Kerry, when he said that I hadn't heard the half of it. Ofc, he then went on to tell me that it didn't really matter, because Kerry was still the lesser of the two evils in this election. I got him to arrange a visit with his friend, who strangely enough is also a die hard dem, and would only tell me his stories after he had reassurance from my uncle that I wasn't a republican or a reporter (in that order apparently ).

When I got to his house he showed me his pictures from back in the war, including some of him and Kerry together. He then told me some rather appalling stories of both savageness and staged heroism. He freely admits that he has a very low opinion of Kerry, but refuses to come forward with any of his info because he feels GWB to be even worse.

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
oh god, he listed vietnam veterans against john kerry, the same sampley group that in the 2000 campaign for president called senator McCain a collaborating coward for surviving the POW camps.

and frankly, are you calling kerrys band of brothers liars? a band of brothers bush never had.... for obvious reasons.

That's just the thing. I believed the man I spoke to a couple of days ago. I had a chance to look him right in his eyes as he told me about the events surrounding Kerry back in the war. I also had a chance to listen to him explain the reasons that despite his 30+ year old grudges, he still thinks Kerry the lesser of the two evils come November's election. He wasn't lying to me, and had absolutely no reason to do so.

I have lots of reservations regarding Bush. At the same time, I believe that perhaps the matter regarding Kerry's military service should see the light of day. He made some rather bad choices all those years ago, and now he needs to explain them.

First bad choice was to enlist in the Navy so he could go over and fight in a war we should never have started.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Here's a veteran that doesn't care for him much...

OK. So let's think about that for a minute. We were misled by our own government about the reasons we were in Viet Nam. That isn't to demean the service and sacrifice by those troops who fought there, but we were there under false pretenses. Sound familiar... < cough > Iraq < cough > ??? :Q

Now, you and I may not approve of Viet Nam's form of government, or even the way they treat their citizens, but unlike North Korea, they are developing as a nation, both in the standard of living available to their citizens, and in internal and international trade. AND, unlike North Korea, they they don't have nukes, nor, as far as we know, are they posing any threat of devloping any WMD's. :Q

Still, they do have a lot of people in need of development, and a lot of what they have to overcome is the damage we did to them. Under those conditions, exploring ways of improving relations with them doesn't seem particularly outrageous or even wrong.

"After Kerry sold out the POW/MIAs and the Vietnamese people by preventing a vote on the Vietnam Human Rights Act (HR2833), which would have made lifting trade restrictions contingent on Communist Vietnam restoring basic human rights, Vietnam signed its first huge commercial deal worth at least $905 million to develop a deep-sea commercial port at Vung Tau. "It signed the deal with a company called Colliers International. At the time, the Chief Executive Officer of this company was C. Stewart Forbes. Name sound familiar? It should. He is Senator John F. Kerry?s cousin. What a coincidence!"

How did he sell out the POWs and the MIA's with that deal?

What stood in the way of such a profitable thaw in U.S.-Vietnam relations, Kerry knew, were the lack of human rights in Vietnam and its apparent continued holding of many American prisoners of war (POWs) and soldiers missing in action (MIAs) from the war.

To make these stumbling blocks disappear, Kerry in 1991 conjured a new Senate Select Committee for POW/MIA Affairs with himself as chairman and his legislative assistant Ms. Francis Zwenig as the committee?s Chief of Staff. She would act as liaison to interested corporations through their umbrella organization, the U.S./Vietnam Trade Council (that she would later leave the committee to run).

?Zwenig, according to documents, coached the North Vietnamese to concoct plausible stories on the fate of POW/MIAs in order to show that Hanoi was cooperating to resolve the POW/MIA issue, a hurdle in the diplomatic dance to lift the trade embargo and renew relations with Vietnam,? writes Anthony Nguyen at the anti-communist website VietPage.com.

?Senator Kerry,? Nguyen continues, ?was caught on camera making a promise to the North Vietnamese communists that he would ensure that they weren?t embarrassed by their concocted stories.?"

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Here's a veteran that doesn't care for him much...

OK. So let's think about that for a minute. We were misled by our own government about the reasons we were in Viet Nam. That isn't to demean the service and sacrifice by those troops who fought there, but we were there under false pretenses. Sound familiar... < cough > Iraq < cough > ??? :Q

Now, you and I may not approve of Viet Nam's form of government, or even the way they treat their citizens, but unlike North Korea, they are developing as a nation, both in the standard of living available to their citizens, and in internal and international trade. AND, unlike North Korea, they they don't have nukes, nor, as far as we know, are they posing any threat of devloping any WMD's. :Q

Still, they do have a lot of people in need of development, and a lot of what they have to overcome is the damage we did to them. Under those conditions, exploring ways of improving relations with them doesn't seem particularly outrageous or even wrong.

"After Kerry sold out the POW/MIAs and the Vietnamese people by preventing a vote on the Vietnam Human Rights Act (HR2833), which would have made lifting trade restrictions contingent on Communist Vietnam restoring basic human rights, Vietnam signed its first huge commercial deal worth at least $905 million to develop a deep-sea commercial port at Vung Tau. "It signed the deal with a company called Colliers International. At the time, the Chief Executive Officer of this company was C. Stewart Forbes. Name sound familiar? It should. He is Senator John F. Kerry?s cousin. What a coincidence!"

How did he sell out the POWs and the MIA's with that deal?

What stood in the way of such a profitable thaw in U.S.-Vietnam relations, Kerry knew, were the lack of human rights in Vietnam and its apparent continued holding of many American prisoners of war (POWs) and soldiers missing in action (MIAs) from the war.

To make these stumbling blocks disappear, Kerry in 1991 conjured a new Senate Select Committee for POW/MIA Affairs with himself as chairman and his legislative assistant Ms. Francis Zwenig as the committee?s Chief of Staff. She would act as liaison to interested corporations through their umbrella organization, the U.S./Vietnam Trade Council (that she would later leave the committee to run).

?Zwenig, according to documents, coached the North Vietnamese to concoct plausible stories on the fate of POW/MIAs in order to show that Hanoi was cooperating to resolve the POW/MIA issue, a hurdle in the diplomatic dance to lift the trade embargo and renew relations with Vietnam,? writes Anthony Nguyen at the anti-communist website VietPage.com.

?Senator Kerry,? Nguyen continues, ?was caught on camera making a promise to the North Vietnamese communists that he would ensure that they weren?t embarrassed by their concocted stories.?"

So some embittered Vietnamese who was too cowardly to stay and fight the Communists in his own homeland is accusing Kerry of dealing with North Vietnamese Communists? Do you know that there is no North Vietnamese Communists because there is no longer a North Vietnam? Those expatriated Vietnamese fscktards should realize that it was they, not the Americans, who lost the war in Vietnam and it is they who should accept the blame for Vietnam falling in the hands of the Communists.

 

[Riprorin]

More:

Why Families Say Kerry Betrayed POWs and MIAs

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
More:

Why Families Say Kerry Betrayed POWs and MIAs

I know of one POW who doesn't think Kerry betrayed him. Senator John McCain! Of course Sampley, the guy who is behind all these groups accusing Kerry of giving aid and comfort to the enemy, also accused McCain of being a traitor.

I really don't know why you have chosen this subject to go after Kerry on when his Liberal Voting record and his close affiliation to thje fat fscktard Ted Kennedy is more likely to be something that would be hard to dispute.

 

[Gaard]

Yes, Kerry should release them. In fact, mandatory releasing of military service for any nominee might be something to consider.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
More:

Why Families Say Kerry Betrayed POWs and MIAs

I know of one POW who doesn't think Kerry betrayed him. Senator John McCain! Of course Sampley, the guy who is behind all these groups accusing Kerry of giving aid and comfort to the enemy, also accused McCain of being a traitor.

I really don't know why you have chosen this subject to go after Kerry on when his Liberal Voting record and his close affiliation to thje fat fscktard Ted Kennedy is more likely to be something that would be hard to dispute.

Just find it interesting, that's all.

Sampley's beef with McCain is that he and Kerry blocked the War Crimes Act of 1996 until it was changed such that it effectively prevented the US from prosecuting Vietnamese war criminals.

 

[Red Dawn]

Well so far you've tried the Catholic angle and Kerry's service record to slam Kerry, what's next, the fact that he was once divorced?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well so far you've tried the Catholic angle and Kerry's service record to slam Kerry, what's next, the fact that he was once divorced?

I didn't slam his service record. I just pointed out that there are unanswered questions that would be cleared up if he authorized the release of his service record like President Bush has. Actually, I'm more troubled by his behavior after the war.

What's next? Wouldn't you like to know!

Why don't you come up with something so I can bust your balls for a change.

After all, you're not a Kerry fan either, right?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well so far you've tried the Catholic angle and Kerry's service record to slam Kerry, what's next, the fact that he was once divorced?

I didn't slam his service record. I just pointed out that there are unanswered questions that would be cleared up if he authorized the release of his service record like President Bush has. Actually, I'm more troubled by his behavior after the war.

What's next? Wouldn't you like to know!

Why don't you come up with something so I can bust your balls for a change.

After all, you're not a Kerry fan either, right?

I'm not a Kerry fan but I am what many here call a "Bush Hater". Bush actually won me over right after 9/11 and with his actions in Afghanistan. I even believed him with regards to Iraq but when it became painfully obvious that he used the events of 9/11 to manipulate the American Public to support his predetermined invasion and occupation of Iraq I felt totally betrayed.