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Kerry seeks to hand over keys to America to Europe

HeroOfPellinor

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http://www.reuters.com/newsArt...pNews&section=news

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - If elected U.S. president, Sen. John Kerry would offer Iran a deal allowing it to keep its nuclear power plants if it gave up the right to retain bomb-making nuclear fuel, Kerry's vice presidential running mate said in an interview published on Monday.

Sen. John Edwards told The Washington Post that if Iran did not accept this "great bargain," this would confirm the Islamic state was building nuclear weapons under cover of a nuclear power initiative.

If Iran rejected this proposal, Kerry would ensure European allies were prepared to join the United States in imposing strict sanctions against Iran, Edwards said.
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:Q

Anyone but Bush eh? How about Chirac?
 
What are you trying to spin this into?
"If we are engaging with Iranians in an effort to reach this great bargain, and if in fact this is a bluff that they are trying to develop nuclear weapons capability, then we know that our European friends will stand with us," Senator Edwards said.
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Awwwww, poor Neocons, they're blabbering like babies already, can't make heads or tails out of what they're spewing and still 60 days to go.
 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - If elected U.S. president, Sen. John Kerry would offer Iran a deal allowing it to keep its nuclear power plants if it gave up the right to retain bomb-making nuclear fuel, Kerry's vice presidential running mate said in an interview published on Monday.

Sen. John Edwards told The Washington Post that if Iran did not accept this "great bargain," this would confirm the Islamic state was building nuclear weapons under cover of a nuclear power initiative.

If Iran rejected this proposal, Kerry would ensure European allies were prepared to join the United States in imposing strict sanctions against Iran, Edwards said.
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So Kerry will "allow" them to keep their nuclear power plants, else he'll impose "strict sanctions" and "ensure" that somehow the EU will cooperate. Wonder if he bothered to let Europe know before he started dropping their name, much less see if they would agree to being "ensured." Oooooooh, I bet Iran is scared now. Is Kerry really that naïve?
 
Originally posted by: glenn1
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - If elected U.S. president, Sen. John Kerry would offer Iran a deal allowing it to keep its nuclear power plants if it gave up the right to retain bomb-making nuclear fuel, Kerry's vice presidential running mate said in an interview published on Monday.

Sen. John Edwards told The Washington Post that if Iran did not accept this "great bargain," this would confirm the Islamic state was building nuclear weapons under cover of a nuclear power initiative.

If Iran rejected this proposal, Kerry would ensure European allies were prepared to join the United States in imposing strict sanctions against Iran, Edwards said.
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So Kerry will "allow" them to keep their nuclear power plants, else he'll impose "strict sanctions" and "ensure" that somehow the EU will cooperate. Wonder if he bothered to let Europe know before he started dropping their name, much less see if they would agree to being "ensured." Oooooooh, I bet Iran is scared now. Is Kerry really that naïve?
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"Iran must comply with the demands of the free world, and that's where we sit right now," Bush said at a campaign event in the Washington, D.C., suburb of Annandale, Va.

"My attitude is that we've got to keep pressure on the government and help others keep pressure on the government ? so there's going to be universal condemnation of illegal weapons activities."

Bush stressed U.S. efforts to work with other nations to make sure the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency asks Iran "hard questions" about its weapons activities. "Foreign ministers of Germany, France and Britain have gone in as a group to send a message on behalf of the free world," he said.
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Looks like Bush's Iran policy is just talk. At least Kerry wants sanctions. "Hard questions"? Bet that really scares them
 
Well I think it is obvious Kerry wants to make sure we ask our EU friends if what we do has their approval. Although I dont think this article really proves it 😉

Now as for sanctions, well, we already did this wil Iraq and if did nothing. We did this with N. Korea and they laughed their way to nukes. There is little reason for the Iranians to comply with Kerry whether he gets our allies to voice a supportive opinion or not.

Because the Iranians know, we know, and John Kerry knows. When it goes from push to shove. It will be the United States vs Iran and that is it. No way in hell will Kerry get a joke of a leader in Chirac to do anything that helps the United States.

 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: aswedc
At least Kerry wants sanctions.
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He "wants"? Wow! I want world peace...elect me President...or Miss Universe.
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Way to reply to what I posted. Tell me how Bush's Iran policy is any better.
 
Originally posted by: aswedc

Looks like Bush's Iran policy is just talk. At least Kerry wants sanctions. "Hard questions"? Bet that really scares them
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Eh? guess you haven't been following the Iran nuclear issue news lately. the US has been pushing for sanctions for a while but its the Europeans who are hesitant. Right now its Kerry who's doing the talking. Bush doing the pushing. Europe doing the nothing. haha j/k Europe is doing something.
 
Originally posted by: aswedc
Looks like Bush's Iran policy is just talk. At least Kerry wants sanctions. "Hard questions"? Bet that really scares them
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Sanctions don't punish the government, they punish the people. Besides that, it gives the people there another reason to hate us - now they can't get any more food and we made that call. Sanctions in Iraq, Sudan, NK, but it just doesn't work.
Originally posted by: aswedc
Way to reply to what I posted. Tell me how Bush's Iran policy is any better.
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Would you be happier if he invaded? Better yet, is there ANYTHING that he could do that you wouldn't criticize?
 
:roll:

How dare he use diplomacy and work with our closest allies to build consensus, rather than acting unilaterally (or, in this case, not act at all)? What a coward!

Try again, HoP.
 
Sanctions don't punish the government, they punish the people.
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Now you are a bleeding heart? Do bombs punish the people or the government? The government will bend or break if the people get squeezed. You also keep the governmnet from obtaining supplies to make a delivery system or weapon parts. This is why Saddam had nothing to fight with, we destroyed it all and didn't allow him to re-arm.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
:roll:

How dare he use diplomacy and work with our closest allies to build consensus, rather than acting unilaterally (or, in this case, not act at all)? What a coward!

Try again, HoP.
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You're agreeing with me. Kerry wants to sign the US over to our European allies and not make a move wihtout concensus. That sounds good to you, so you support him.
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: DonVito
:roll:

How dare he use diplomacy and work with our closest allies to build consensus, rather than acting unilaterally (or, in this case, not act at all)? What a coward!

Try again, HoP.
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You're agreeing with me. Kerry wants to sign the US over to our European allies and not make a move wihtout concensus. That sounds good to you, so you support him.
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Unfortunately for you, he didn't say that.
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
Sanctions don't punish the government, they punish the people.
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Now you are a bleeding heart? Do bombs punish the people or the government? The government will bend or break if the people get squeezed. You also keep the governmnet from obtaining supplies to make a delivery system or weapon parts. This is why Saddam had nothing to fight with, we destroyed it all and didn't allow him to re-arm.
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We had sanctions against Iraq for right around a decade - the government didn't bend or break, it just ran out of tanks and soldiers after we took them all out with weapons.

Bombs punish both the people and the government, but they also get the job done, whereas there is no basis for saying that sanctions do. How long have we had sanctions on Cuba now?
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
How long have we had sanctions on Cuba now?
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Thanks for making the argument.

How long has Cuba been a power? How much Oil are they exporting out?

Zip and Zip, ahahahah try again.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Todd33
Sanctions don't punish the government, they punish the people.
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Now you are a bleeding heart? Do bombs punish the people or the government? The government will bend or break if the people get squeezed. You also keep the governmnet from obtaining supplies to make a delivery system or weapon parts. This is why Saddam had nothing to fight with, we destroyed it all and didn't allow him to re-arm.
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We had sanctions against Iraq for right around a decade - the government didn't bend or break, it just ran out of tanks and soldiers after we took them all out with weapons.

Bombs punish both the people and the government, but they also get the job done, whereas there is no basis for saying that sanctions do. How long have we had sanctions on Cuba now?
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You havent seen people dying have you?

I have, and I tell you if you killed my son with such a cavalier attitude, I would make every attempt to slit your throat.

You say it so casually. You really have no idea. I am not upset with you really. You are merely ignorant in the true sense.

Think carefully about how "you get the job done". You might wind up having a job done on you, and then people will say "what did we do to them?"

9/11 merely was someone getting a job done in their eyes.



 
Can someone actually tell me what Bush's Iran policy is precisely? Does the current administration actually have a policy beyond bomb-don't bomb?
 
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