Kerry says US needs its own 'regime change'

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
This just in... Gore lost the election. The Gore supporters can go home now.

I'm not a huge fan of Bush, but Gore would have been worse.

Yea, thats a brilliant generalization. Gore at least wasn't AWOL during Vietnam. He had 8 years of experience behind his belt and tons of political experience. And guess what Gore had, *GASP*, actual foreign policy experience! Although this new arrogant approach is proving to be really popular among the world population...I believe the latest poll on the subject said 80% believe the US is the greatest threat to world peace?

I mean Jesus Christ, what would be worse then what is going on right now? Our economy is horrible; unemployment is sky-rocketing; every state is in massive debt; we got the Patriot Act removing any shred of privacy we had left; we're at war in two countries; global public opinion is at an all time low; we talk like we have a coalition of the willing yet that coalition contains countries like Afghanistan, Georgia, Micronesia, Iceland, etc..; ever hear about Enron anymore? WorldCom? North Korea is trying to ramp up production of NUCLEAR BOMBS (stockpile them at that)...I mean Jesus H. Christ, what could possibly be worse?? I got f'ing ready.gov commercials on TV telling me I need duct tape or to swing by their fear-mongering propoganda page to know how to protect myself if i'm driving down the road and a nuclear bomb goes off in the horizon. Hell Bush's one domestic agenda failed; what was that? Drilling in an f'ing wildlife refuge so we wouldn't have to worry about forcing auto companies to actually try harder.

Its easy to hide behind your "would have been worse" but you have no reason for thinking that; i've heard it many many times though from people that just don't care to think; never have I heard it backed up. So here's your shot at trying.

 

[Martgorb]

It's ridiculous hearing all these comments like "You gotta excuse the politicians, they can get carried away!"

Actually, no you don't have to. I'm proud to make my vote one that will make the politicians know they aren't doing what I want, and it makes me sick. I vote straight libertarian every chance I get. The constitution has been bastardized beyond repair under the rep/dems. If you don't vote your true ideology you are cheating yourself whether you realize it or not.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: mastertech01
There is only one reason Bush 41 didnt get a second go, his name was Ross Perot. Clinton got re-elected based on his false economy, of which we all see how it was achieved by all the scandals being now revealed to get the stock market to shoot through the roof.

I dont think the dems will have near as easy a time to remove Bush, unless Bush does something real stupid before the re-election. IMHO

There are no eye rolls great enough for this mis-information.

You also know that if Nader hadn't run in 00, George II would still be governor of Texas.

Why do you consider it to be MISinformation?
Look at the 2000 election
George W. Bush (REP) 48%
Albert Gore (DEM) 48.3%
Patrick Buchanan (RFM) 0.4%
Ralph Nader (GRN) 2.7%


and then look at 1992 results
Bill Clinton (43.3%)
Bush (37.7%)
Ross Perot (19%)

Perot ruined any hopes for a Republican Presidency

If Gore did indeed lose Florida, how many votes was it by? Without looking at the state by state results, I would contend that the states that Bush lost the most ground to Perot were states he won anyway, likely in the midwest.

And the eyrolls were for the Clinton mis-information.

 

[conjur]

Aww...poor Kerry

Wish someone would call him out on his hypocrisy. Or, maybe they have. I'll have to do some searching

 

[JellyBaby]

Kerry's ranting might have traction if Americans actually gave a flying crack whistle about the U.N.

Bush did try to pursue the U.N. route but it was clear the U.N. will always stick with the status quo unless it faces a problem with only one obivous solution and even then it's hard to get that commitee of commitees to agree on much of anything.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

He's got my vote.

The economy currently twists and turns on the George W. Bush clothesline. The man has no sense for economic or international policy, and to hide that fact he throws us into a pointless confontation with Iraq that wil likely cause more terrorist attacks in the future than it would have prevented. Like most of the Republican presidents before him, Bush has a nasty habit of dragging the country to the brink of economic ruin while he gives government contracts to his rich buddies. Bush doesn't give a damn about soldiers in Iraq because most of them come from poor economic backgrounds in the first place and only joined to pay for college and try to make it in the world. Now, by sending them over to die for his militaristic fantasies and need for some measure of foreign oil control, he doesn't have to worry about them taking any of his family's old money For Bush, it's win-win. For middle class America, it's screw you. It's about time someone said it like it is, and I can only hope Democratic families in this country stand up and vote next time so that Bush Junior doesn't get to play president for another 4 years even though he lost.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
He's got my vote.

The economy currently twists and turns on the George W. Bush clothesline. The man has no sense for economic or international policy, and to hide that fact he throws us into a pointless confontation with Iraq that wil likely cause more terrorist attacks in the future than it would have prevented. Like most of the Republican presidents before him, Bush has a nasty habit of dragging the country to the brink of economic ruin while he gives government contracts to his rich buddies. Bush doesn't give a damn about soldiers in Iraq because most of them come from poor economic backgrounds in the first place and only joined to pay for college and try to make it in the world. Now, by sending them over to die for his militaristic fantasies and need for some measure of foreign oil control, he doesn't have to worry about them taking any of his family's old money For Bush, it's win-win. For middle class America, it's screw you. It's about time someone said it like it is, and I can only hope Democratic families in this country stand up and vote next time so that Bush Junior doesn't get to play president for another 4 years even though he lost.

Thought you might have the makings of some decent thoughts to debate...then I read the last few words.

You're just another troll, ticked off that Gore lost in 2000. G E T  O V E R  I T !

 

[Squisher]

I feel that the use of term "regime change" is deplorable politicization at this time of war it also seems that Kerry somewhat felt that way too.

When asked to square his criticism with his pledge of restraint two weeks earlier, Kerry first said that he had tempered his criticism of the administration's diplomatic efforts.

Then he said: ''It is possible that the word `regime change' is too harsh. Perhaps it is.''

Dems will bury themselves if they try to portray even of a hint of a moral equivalency between Saddam and Bush.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
He's got my vote.

The economy currently twists and turns on the George W. Bush clothesline. The man has no sense for economic or international policy, and to hide that fact he throws us into a pointless confontation with Iraq that wil likely cause more terrorist attacks in the future than it would have prevented. Like most of the Republican presidents before him, Bush has a nasty habit of dragging the country to the brink of economic ruin while he gives government contracts to his rich buddies. Bush doesn't give a damn about soldiers in Iraq because most of them come from poor economic backgrounds in the first place and only joined to pay for college and try to make it in the world. Now, by sending them over to die for his militaristic fantasies and need for some measure of foreign oil control, he doesn't have to worry about them taking any of his family's old money For Bush, it's win-win. For middle class America, it's screw you. It's about time someone said it like it is, and I can only hope Democratic families in this country stand up and vote next time so that Bush Junior doesn't get to play president for another 4 years even though he lost.

Thought you might have the makings of some decent thoughts to debate...then I read the last few words.

You're just another troll, ticked off that Gore lost in 2000. G E T  O V E R  I T !

Actually, I didn't care much for Gore either, and at one point, I was more of a fan of Bush than I'd like to admit now. But everything he's done since he stepped into the White House has made me realize just how inadequate he is to be appointed the President. Maybe you missed it though, because more PEOPLE voted for Gore than Bush, regardless of some electorial college crap that makes it possible for the loser to actually prevail.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: DoctorPizza

The communist/fascist/nationalist/warmonger known as George W. Bush is a prime example of why we need a government that is limited in both size and scope.

"Communist" and "fascist" are, economically speaking, diametrically opposed. How do you propose that W be both?

oh i missed this earlier; that is funny DoctorPizza, i take it you don't really understand happened in Russia last century, eh?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx

Actually, I didn't care much for Gore either, and at one point, I was more of a fan of Bush than I'd like to admit now. But everything he's done since he stepped into the White House has made me realize just how inadequate he is to be appointed the President. Maybe you missed it though, because more PEOPLE voted for Gore than Bush, regardless of some electorial college crap that makes it possible for the loser to actually prevail.

"appointed"..."electoral college crap"   

Go and educate yourself on the Electoral College.

Until then, stop posting. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[kylebisme]

conjur, i know quite a bit about the electoral collage and i understand why it came to be and the good it has done, but i still consider it old and outdated crap.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
conjur, i know quite a bit about the electoral collage and i understand why it came to be and the good it has done, but i still consider it old and outdated crap.

Well, I, for one, am glad you're not in charge.

I'd prefer my President to be elected by the same methods the Founding Fathers constructed. There is a reason we have the Electoral College and it proved itself in 2000.

Besides...with a nationwide difference of, what, 250,000 votes, can you imagine the logistical nightmare and the costs involved in a nationwide recount?

 

[Chadder007]

Looks like Kerry went at it again today. LOL
Kerry Lashes out at Republican Criticisms

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
Looks like Kerry went at it again today. LOL
Kerry Lashes out at Republican Criticisms

That's what I posted above

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: TheSnowman


I'd prefer my President to be elected by the same methods the Founding Fathers constructed. There is a reason we have the Electoral College and it proved itself in 2000.

so you missed all that talk our founding fathers did about how the way they set things up was not perfect but just a start in the right direction that needed to be improved upon? or you just agree with what they did and not how they felt about it?

 

[DZip]

The Democratic Party needs to move closer to the center if they plan on providing any leadership roles in the future. Most Americans realize the need to protect and defend the ideals of liberty and freedom if our great nation plans on surviving. Facts are we need other countries to respect us, not like us. As a parent I've had to do many things my children didn't like. Telling them to save some of the paycheck for a rainy day, don't smoke or do drugs like your friends, don't apply for credit cards unless you can pay them off, etc.

The US has a history of moving between right and left as we journey down the road. We need the balance. The Democratic Party needs to recognize that most democrats are middle or conservative and can not support the liberals. They still believe what President Kennedy said, " Ask not what you country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country". Liberals are asking, "Ask not what you can do for your county, but ask what can my country do for me".

The likes of John Kerry scare many of us. Men like Joe Liebermen and Joe Bidden at least believe in what John Kennedy said.

Democrats unite! Give us a balance to vote for the next time. Those that claim Bush stole the election for Gore doesn?t realize that it was just a coin flip that made the difference. There was no mandate from America one way or the other. In fact, I remember a map that was circulating after the election in 2000 that showed how each county in the US voted. Most of American counties went for Bush, only large cities went for Gore. Large cities have mostly liberals do to the large number of minorities and disadvantaged that rely on social programs. Why do you think Hillary Clinton ran for senate in New York City instead of rural Arkansas? Why do think Al Gore lost his own state of Tennessee?

Main street America is the little towns and cities you will recognize as the hometowns of our fallen war heroes. These men and women are doing what President Kennedy asked them to do; all of them are volunteers in service to their country.

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
Looks like Kerry went at it again today. LOL
Kerry Lashes out at Republican Criticisms

Nice to see the republicans getting up in arms about freedom of speech...

 

[Ornery]

"Nice to see the republicans getting up in arms about freedom of speech..."

Clueless twits! Nobody's talking about freedom of speech. Nobody's questioning patriotism. What they are saying, is that he's an ASS!

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: OrneryWhat they are saying, is that he's an ASS!

lol, well that is rather a given when his parties mascot is a donkey.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: DanJ
Yea, thats a brilliant generalization. Gore at least wasn't AWOL during Vietnam. He had 8 years of experience behind his belt and tons of political experience. And guess what Gore had, *GASP*, actual foreign policy experience! Although this new arrogant approach is proving to be really popular among the world population...I believe the latest poll on the subject said 80% believe the US is the greatest threat to world peace?

I mean Jesus Christ, what would be worse then what is going on right now? Our economy is horrible; unemployment is sky-rocketing; every state is in massive debt; we got the Patriot Act removing any shred of privacy we had left; we're at war in two countries; global public opinion is at an all time low; we talk like we have a coalition of the willing yet that coalition contains countries like Afghanistan, Georgia, Micronesia, Iceland, etc..; ever hear about Enron anymore? WorldCom? North Korea is trying to ramp up production of NUCLEAR BOMBS (stockpile them at that)...I mean Jesus H. Christ, what could possibly be worse?? I got f'ing ready.gov commercials on TV telling me I need duct tape or to swing by their fear-mongering propoganda page to know how to protect myself if i'm driving down the road and a nuclear bomb goes off in the horizon. Hell Bush's one domestic agenda failed; what was that? Drilling in an f'ing wildlife refuge so we wouldn't have to worry about forcing auto companies to actually try harder.

Its easy to hide behind your "would have been worse" but you have no reason for thinking that; i've heard it many many times though from people that just don't care to think; never have I heard it backed up. So here's your shot at trying.

I'm not saying that Bush is wonderful or anything like that, but I do think that he hold more views that are similar to mine than Gore does. Therefore I did not want Gore to be president.

If I were to choose, I'd choose neither a democrat nor a republican. Both sides seem to just thump their chests proclaiming that they stand for everything that is right and point all blame at the other side for everything that is wrong. Both sides do this and I'm sick of it. It's like watching lame WWF wresting with their corny posturing and acting. Put someone in there who is independant. I would have liked Ross Perot or Steve Forbes. I know people generally want to stick with a candidate from one of the 2 parties, but that is too limiting in my opinions.

 

[Ornery]

Well, personally, I'd rather be a donkey than a pachyderm!

Kerry got both barrels because he said something stupid off the cuff. Actually, I think he's just trying to create some kind of tangible difference between himself and Bush. After all, he did vote for the resolution authorizing the use of force to expel Hussein. He ought to forget about the war angle and concentrate on the budget, the economy, welfare, SS or something...

 

[Ornery]

"I know people generally want to stick with a candidate from one of the 2 parties..."

The Libertarian party is already in agreement with the GOP on the most important issues. The Democrats have been steadily moving right for the last decade or more. They're having a hell of a time distinguishing themselves now! Ventura is bailing on the reform party. The writing's on the wall!

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Ornery
He ought to forget about the war angle and concentrate on the budget, the economy, welfare, SS or something...

personally i think he should just step down and leave things someone who is not simply going to be playing angles and drawing our attention elsewhere, granted that goes for nearly every politician out there.

 

[Ornery]

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