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Kerry raises about $180 million to date

MonstaThrilla

Golden Member
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Coast-to-coast stops on the presidential fund-raising trail paid off for Democrat John Kerry in June as he collected $34 million and boosted his record total to more than $180 million.

He has about a month of fund raising left before he receives about $75 million in taxpayer funding for the general-election campaign, which starts July 29 when he is nominated at the Democratic convention in Boston.

That's the only money Kerry will be allowed to spend campaigning until the November 2 election.

[...]

His total includes a $6 million personal loan, and he must decide by the time of the convention whether to use campaign contributions to pay off a mortgage he took out on his Boston home to finance the loan.

Bush is setting an overall record for presidential money raised and spent. He has collected more than $220 million and is on track to surpass $250 million by the time of the GOP convention in late August.

Bush long ago surpassed his record from 2000, when he raised roughly $105 million during the primaries.

His re-election campaign has not yet released June fund-raising figures, but Bush is expected to report having $64 million in the bank at the start of July.

This is just bad for democracy. When its all said and done in November, the Kerry and Bush campaigns will have spent a combined half billion dollars. Is that really necessary? Would the abolition of the "opt-out" help things?

Here's my little proposal for it (borrowed from James Carville):

No elected officials of the federal government can ever accept money for ANYTHING. When it comes time for their re-election campaign, they receive 90% of what their highest spending competitor has raised in federal funds. Not the full amount because there's an inherent cost in fundraising that the incumbent won't have to deal with. An arbitrary minimum can be set, so that the incumbent isn't forced to run a moneyless campaign.
 
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Coast-to-coast stops on the presidential fund-raising trail paid off for Democrat John Kerry in June as he collected $34 million and boosted his record total to more than $180 million.

He has about a month of fund raising left before he receives about $75 million in taxpayer funding for the general-election campaign, which starts July 29 when he is nominated at the Democratic convention in Boston.

That's the only money Kerry will be allowed to spend campaigning until the November 2 election.

[...]

His total includes a $6 million personal loan, and he must decide by the time of the convention whether to use campaign contributions to pay off a mortgage he took out on his Boston home to finance the loan.

Bush is setting an overall record for presidential money raised and spent. He has collected more than $220 million and is on track to surpass $250 million by the time of the GOP convention in late August.

Bush long ago surpassed his record from 2000, when he raised roughly $105 million during the primaries.

His re-election campaign has not yet released June fund-raising figures, but Bush is expected to report having $64 million in the bank at the start of July.

This is just bad for democracy. When its all said and done in November, the Kerry and Bush campaigns will have spent a combined half billion dollars. Is that really necessary? Would the abolition of the "opt-out" help things?

Here's my little proposal for it (borrowed from James Carville):

No elected officials of the federal government can ever accept money for ANYTHING. When it comes time for their re-election campaign, they receive 90% of what their highest spending competitor has raised in federal funds. Not the full amount because there's an inherent cost in fundraising that the incumbent won't have to deal with. An arbitrary minimum can be set, so that the incumbent isn't forced to run a moneyless campaign.

If for every dollar you raised, your competitor got $.90, what would be the point of raising money at all. I think in that case the media would decide elections by deciding who gets more and better exposure.
 
I really wouldn't call it dwarfed, but he is still running behind Bush by quite a bit.

Regardless though, I agree, this is a sad day for democracy. It shouldn't require a fortune to get elected in this country.
 
Originally posted by: MrGrim257
If for every dollar you raised, your competitor got $.90, what would be the point of raising money at all. I think in that case the media would decide elections by deciding who gets more and better exposure.

And they don't pretty much do the same exact thing now? Campaigns already do those small ad buys not to get their messages to the voters, but so that the ad makes news and many more people see it that way.

Like I said, the incumbent would get a minimum "stipend" up to the point where his competitor outraises that stipend. After that, its 90%.
 
they should put kerry on prozac to even things up.but then i guess bush would want elocution lessons to restore his advantage
 
We really only have ourselves to blame. We don't call candidates 800 numbers. We refuse to get active in word of mouth campaigns. We basically sit in front of our TVs and say educate us on what you do. Well, all those TV ads cost big $$$$.
And that $$ does not just fall out of the sky. If Americans don't like this election being about money then get off your lazy butts and get involved.
I swear, we should rotate every American to China or somewhere where they bug your bedroom, bathroom and you basically have no personal freedom.
I bet if we did that candidates wouldn't have to spend that much on campaigning because people would care about elections then. People would not wait but actively want to find out about each candidate.
We really have no clue just how good we got it.
 
220 hardly dwarfs 180.

Factor in the free air time the media gives Kerry every day and it more than evens out.
I don't know what you're talking about. Bush gets way more air time. But most of it is negative.
 
Originally posted by: zephyrprime
220 hardly dwarfs 180.

Factor in the free air time the media gives Kerry every day and it more than evens out.
I don't know what you're talking about. Bush gets way more air time. But most of it is negative.

Aye, I wish I could figure out how some people do math and such. Sure, $40 million is a large chunk of change, but like I said before, it definitely doesn't dwarf it. It is kind of like when people are Bush shows massive lead over Kerry in the latest insert name poll! or Kerry over Bush and it ends up being something like 46% to 43%.
 
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: zephyrprime
220 hardly dwarfs 180.

Factor in the free air time the media gives Kerry every day and it more than evens out.
I don't know what you're talking about. Bush gets way more air time. But most of it is negative.

Aye, I wish I could figure out how some people do math and such. Sure, $40 million is a large chunk of change, but like I said before, it definitely doesn't dwarf it. It is kind of like when people are Bush shows massive lead over Kerry in the latest insert name poll! or Kerry over Bush and it ends up being something like 46% to 43%.

Maybe its because Bush has great support? Thus more people are donating? 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: zephyrprime
220 hardly dwarfs 180.

Factor in the free air time the media gives Kerry every day and it more than evens out.
I don't know what you're talking about. Bush gets way more air time. But most of it is negative.

Aye, I wish I could figure out how some people do math and such. Sure, $40 million is a large chunk of change, but like I said before, it definitely doesn't dwarf it. It is kind of like when people are Bush shows massive lead over Kerry in the latest insert name poll! or Kerry over Bush and it ends up being something like 46% to 43%.

Maybe its because Bush has great support? Thus more people are donating? 🙂

Where am I asking a question in that post?
 
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: zephyrprime
220 hardly dwarfs 180.

Factor in the free air time the media gives Kerry every day and it more than evens out.
I don't know what you're talking about. Bush gets way more air time. But most of it is negative.

Aye, I wish I could figure out how some people do math and such. Sure, $40 million is a large chunk of change, but like I said before, it definitely doesn't dwarf it. It is kind of like when people are Bush shows massive lead over Kerry in the latest insert name poll! or Kerry over Bush and it ends up being something like 46% to 43%.

Maybe its because Bush has great support? Thus more people are donating? 🙂

Where am I asking a question in that post?

Maybe you ARE asking a question.. think about it! It only makes sense!
 
Bush has been raising money far longer and did not have to blow any on a primary. Not to mention the abuse of Air Force One to skirt from event to event.
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: zephyrprime
220 hardly dwarfs 180.

Factor in the free air time the media gives Kerry every day and it more than evens out.
I don't know what you're talking about. Bush gets way more air time. But most of it is negative.

Aye, I wish I could figure out how some people do math and such. Sure, $40 million is a large chunk of change, but like I said before, it definitely doesn't dwarf it. It is kind of like when people are Bush shows massive lead over Kerry in the latest insert name poll! or Kerry over Bush and it ends up being something like 46% to 43%.

Maybe its because Bush has great support? Thus more people are donating? 🙂

Where am I asking a question in that post?

Maybe you ARE asking a question.. think about it! It only makes sense!

Not really, but if you want to think that, go for it.
 
The problem with trying to raise such enormous anounts of cash to run for office is that it makes the Candidate beholding to those who help raise or donate the money thus giving them more influence over the eventual winner than their constituencies or in the case of the President, the American Voter.
 
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