Kerry interview on Hannity and Colmes

[Strk]

Originally posted by: EXman

Cheney is not Running for pres Kerry is. Kerry is the Vet not Chaney (as you all love to point out) . Chaney does not have a voting record. We are not talking about Cheney and his voting record are we? No

who gives a rip who is the VP not like Bush is gonna take a dirtnap anytime soon.

He doesn't? I wonder what he was getting paid for during the 80s then.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: conjur
Keep reading, Exman, and you'll find enlightenment.

Why don't you quote the parts that show Cheney opposed those very same programs?

Cheney is not Running [sic] for pres [sic] Kerry is. Kerry is the Vet [sic] not Chaney [sic] (as you all love to point out) . Chaney [sic] does not have a voting record. We are not talking about Cheney and his voting record are we? No

who [sic] gives a rip who is the VP [sic] not like Bush is gonna take a dirtnap anytime soon.

Wow...you're pretty good at the obfuscation game.

See, Exman, it's like this.

You are claiming that Kerry voted to cut crucial weapons programs. Well, those same cuts were supported by Cheney (note the spelling, btw.) Cheney, himself, said the programs were not necessary. It was part of a broad cost-cutting move. Unnecessary weapons programs were cut. For Bush/Cheney and any of their supporters to criticize Kerry for voting for the same cuts is the definition of hypocritical!

Here, do some more reading:

http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/cheney_record/

Cheney Proposed to Cut Defense Programs Vital to Recent Military Operations

Cheney Proposed Cutting F-16 Aircraft. In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee, Cheney said, "If you're going to have a smaller air force, you don't need as many F-16s...The F-16D we basically continue to buy and close it out because we're not going to have as big a force structure and we won't need as many F-16s." According to the Boston Globe, Bush's 1991 defense budget "kill[ed] 81 programs for potential savings of $ 11.9 billion...Major weapons killed include[d]....the Air Force's F-16 airplane." [Cheney testimony, House Armed Services Committee, 2/7/91; Boston Globe, 2/5/91]

Cheney Proposed Cuts to B-2 Program. According to the Boston Globe, in 1990, "Defense Secretary Richard Cheney announced a cutback... of nearly 45 percent in the administration's B-2 Stealth bomber program, from 132 airplanes to 75..." [Boston Globe, 4/27/90]

Cheney Proposed Cutting AH-64 Apaches. In testimony before the Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee, Cheney said, "This is just a list of some of the programs that I've recommended termination: the V-22 Osprey, the F-14D, the Army Helicopter Improvement Program, Phoenix missile, F-15E, the Apache helicopter, the M1 tank, et cetera." In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee, Cheney said, "The Army, as I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended to me that we keep a robust Apache helicopter program going forward, AH-64...I forced the Army to make choices...So I recommended that we cancel the AH-64 program two years out." [Cheney testimony, Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee, 6/12/90; Cheney Testimony, House Armed Services Committee, 7/13/89, emphasis added]

Cheney Proposed Cutting M-1 Abrams Tanks. In testimony before the Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee, Cheney said, "This is just a list of some of the programs that I've recommended termination: the V-22 Osprey, the F-14D, the Army Helicopter Improvement Program, Phoenix missile, F-15E, the Apache helicopter, the M1 tank, et cetera." The Boston Globe reported on the impact of Cheney's cuts to armored tanks: "The Army's cupboard is left particularly bare. Coming in the wake of last year's killing of the M-1 tank and the Apache helicopter, the death of the M-2 means the Army will soon have virtually no major weapons in production." [Cheney testimony, Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee, 6/12/90; Boston Globe, 2/5/91]

Cheney Proposed Cutting B-52 Bombers. In 1990, Cheney proposed cutting 14 B-52 bombers. Cheney also sought the retirement of two Navy battleships, two nuclear cruisers, and eight nuclear-powered attack submarines. In 1991, Cheney scrapped the Navy's A-12 Stealth attack plane, a fighter that was proclaimed to be a key part of the future of navy aviation in advanced stealth technology. [Newsday, 2/5/91; NY Times, 1/8/91; Boston Globe, 4/27/90; Boston Globe, 1/30/90]

"Cheney is not Running [sic] for pres [sic] Kerry is"

No, but he's on the ticket for election in Nov. and his stance on issues is very much relevant, esp. since he's the puppet master behind Bush.



"Chaney [sic] does not have a voting record"

WTF?!?!?

Then what the hell was Cheney doing in the House of Representativese from 1979 - 1988, eh?

You're an idiot.

Let's take a look at Cheney's voting record:

http://www.bush-cheney.net/spotlight/numbers.html

DICK CHENEY BY THE NUMBERS...

From 1979 - 1988, former Congressman Dick Cheney frequently sided with a small group of right-wingers in opposing common sense legislation. Here is a look at Dick Cheny by the numbers:


WORST EXAMPLE:
Cheney Was One of Only 4 House Members to Vote Against Banning Terrorist Guns in 1988.

SENIORS:
One of Only 12 House Members to Oppose Older Americans Act Amendments in 1984.

One of Only 39 House Members to Back Capping Social Security COLAs in 1985.

One of Only 8 House Members to Oppose Renewing the Older Americans Act Providing Nutrition and Support Services for Elderly People in 1987.

One of Only 7 House Members to Oppose Renewing the Conference Report on the Older Americans Act in 1987.

EDUCATION / CHILDREN:
One of Only 33 House Members to Vote Against Reauthorization of Head Start Plan in 1986.

One of Only 27 House Members to Oppose Funding for Head Start in 1986.

One of Only 25 House Members to Vote Against a Bill to Reauthorize College Student Aid in 1986.

One of Only 8 Members to Vote Against Reauthorizing Both the National Health Service Corps and the Federal Immunization Program in 1987.

CRIME & GUNS:
One of Only 16 House Members to Oppose 1983 Crime Bill Designed to Help States Fight Crime.

One of Only 31 House Members to Oppose Family Violence Prevention Program in 1984.

One of Only 21 House Members to Oppose Ban on Armor Piercing Bullets in 1985.

ENVIRONMENT:
One of Only 18 House Members to Oppose Reauthorizing "Federal Water Pollution Act" in 1981.

One of Only 9 House Members to Oppose EPA Research and Development in 1984.

One of Only 33 House Members to Oppose Reauthorization of "Superfund" in 1985.

One of Only 27 House Members to Oppose Reauthorization of Superfund in 1986.

One of Only 21 House Members to Oppose Refunding "Safe Drinking Water Act" in 1986.

One of Only 8 House Members to Oppose Reauthorization of Clean Water Act in 1987.

One of Only 26 House Members to Support Reagan's Veto of Reauthorization of Clean Water Act in 1987.

One of Only 16 House Members to Oppose Reauthorization of Endangered Species Act in 1987.

LABOR & WORKING FAMILIES:
One of Only 33 House Members to Oppose Guaranteeing Death Benefits for Firefighters and Cop Widows in 1983.

One of Only 9 Members to Vote Against Allowing Federal Employees to Take Time Off for Sick Family Members in 1988.

CIVIL RIGHTS:
One of Only 29 House Members to Oppose Collection of Hate Crime Data in 1988.

FAMILY ASSISTANCE:
One of Only 16 House Members to Vote Against Support for Nutrition Programs in 1983.

One of Only 39 House Members to Vote Against Hunger Relief Plan in 1984.

Now, you really should just stfu as you just keep embarrassing yourself with your displays of ignorance.

 

[conjur]

Exchange edited out of transcripts on FOX website:

[McCain had been asked why he doesn't run for President]

MCCAIN: I would be accused of voting against numerous weapon systems, because I voted against defense appropriations bills because they?re loaded down with pork. And they?re obscene today with all of the pork-barrel spending and multi-trillion dollar deficits. I?ll probably vote against the defense appropriations bill this year. I was accused of voting against breast cancer research because that was on a defense appropriations bill that I voted against, so?

HANNITY: But on defense issues, the most important issue of our time, that?your guy is George W. Bush, right?

MCCAIN: He is my guy. I?m campaigning for him. I?m supporting his re-election. I want him to be re-elected. I believe he has led this nation with moral clarity. But I was also subjected to allegations of being against things like breast cancer research, which was on a defense appropriations bill.

HANNITY: I remember. I understand.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: conjur
Exchange edited out of transcripts on FOX website:

[McCain had been asked why he doesn't run for President]

MCCAIN: I would be accused of voting against numerous weapon systems, because I voted against defense appropriations bills because they?re loaded down with pork. And they?re obscene today with all of the pork-barrel spending and multi-trillion dollar deficits. I?ll probably vote against the defense appropriations bill this year. I was accused of voting against breast cancer research because that was on a defense appropriations bill that I voted against, so?

HANNITY: But on defense issues, the most important issue of our time, that?your guy is George W. Bush, right?

MCCAIN: He is my guy. I?m campaigning for him. I?m supporting his re-election. I want him to be re-elected. I believe he has led this nation with moral clarity. But I was also subjected to allegations of being against things like breast cancer research, which was on a defense appropriations bill.

HANNITY: I remember. I understand.

Yep the Dub attack machine did a number on McCain during the 2000 Republican Primary

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Hannity is a moron with NO debating skill whatsoever. That he is so popular is a sad commentary on our society.
Now I'd PAY alot to see Kerry on with Rush! That's be some quality TV/radio!

its not so easy to laugh at the middle eastern mullahs and their incitement of the public through appeals to their baser side of humanity, half truths, distortions, plain lies when you hear people like hannity and limbaugh.

talk radio = critical thought free zone

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I see that he ducked the UN oil for food scandal question. tisk tisk tisk

Hmm... no excuses?

CkG

 

[arsbanned]

Yeah here's one hangin'.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: conjur
Keep reading, Exman, and you'll find enlightenment.

Why don't you quote the parts that show Cheney opposed those very same programs?

Cheney is not Running [sic] for pres [sic] Kerry is. Kerry is the Vet [sic] not Chaney [sic] (as you all love to point out) . Chaney [sic] does not have a voting record. We are not talking about Cheney and his voting record are we? No

who [sic] gives a rip who is the VP [sic] not like Bush is gonna take a dirtnap anytime soon.

Wow...you're pretty good at the obfuscation game.

See, Exman, it's like this.

You are claiming that Kerry voted to cut crucial weapons programs. Well, those same cuts were supported by Cheney (note the spelling, btw.) Cheney, himself, said the programs were not necessary. It was part of a broad cost-cutting move. Unnecessary weapons programs were cut. For Bush/Cheney and any of their supporters to criticize Kerry for voting for the same cuts is the definition of hypocritical!

Here, do some more reading:

http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/cheney_record/

Cheney Proposed to Cut Defense Programs Vital to Recent Military Operations

Cheney Proposed Cutting F-16 Aircraft. In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee, Cheney said, "If you're going to have a smaller air force, you don't need as many F-16s...The F-16D we basically continue to buy and close it out because we're not going to have as big a force structure and we won't need as many F-16s." According to the Boston Globe, Bush's 1991 defense budget "kill[ed] 81 programs for potential savings of $ 11.9 billion...Major weapons killed include[d]....the Air Force's F-16 airplane." [Cheney testimony, House Armed Services Committee, 2/7/91; Boston Globe, 2/5/91]

Cheney Proposed Cuts to B-2 Program. According to the Boston Globe, in 1990, "Defense Secretary Richard Cheney announced a cutback... of nearly 45 percent in the administration's B-2 Stealth bomber program, from 132 airplanes to 75..." [Boston Globe, 4/27/90]

Cheney Proposed Cutting AH-64 Apaches. In testimony before the Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee, Cheney said, "This is just a list of some of the programs that I've recommended termination: the V-22 Osprey, the F-14D, the Army Helicopter Improvement Program, Phoenix missile, F-15E, the Apache helicopter, the M1 tank, et cetera." In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee, Cheney said, "The Army, as I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended to me that we keep a robust Apache helicopter program going forward, AH-64...I forced the Army to make choices...So I recommended that we cancel the AH-64 program two years out." [Cheney testimony, Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee, 6/12/90; Cheney Testimony, House Armed Services Committee, 7/13/89, emphasis added]

Cheney Proposed Cutting M-1 Abrams Tanks. In testimony before the Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee, Cheney said, "This is just a list of some of the programs that I've recommended termination: the V-22 Osprey, the F-14D, the Army Helicopter Improvement Program, Phoenix missile, F-15E, the Apache helicopter, the M1 tank, et cetera." The Boston Globe reported on the impact of Cheney's cuts to armored tanks: "The Army's cupboard is left particularly bare. Coming in the wake of last year's killing of the M-1 tank and the Apache helicopter, the death of the M-2 means the Army will soon have virtually no major weapons in production." [Cheney testimony, Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee, 6/12/90; Boston Globe, 2/5/91]

Cheney Proposed Cutting B-52 Bombers. In 1990, Cheney proposed cutting 14 B-52 bombers. Cheney also sought the retirement of two Navy battleships, two nuclear cruisers, and eight nuclear-powered attack submarines. In 1991, Cheney scrapped the Navy's A-12 Stealth attack plane, a fighter that was proclaimed to be a key part of the future of navy aviation in advanced stealth technology. [Newsday, 2/5/91; NY Times, 1/8/91; Boston Globe, 4/27/90; Boston Globe, 1/30/90]

"Cheney is not Running [sic] for pres [sic] Kerry is"

No, but he's on the ticket for election in Nov. and his stance on issues is very much relevant, esp. since he's the puppet master behind Bush.



"Chaney [sic] does not have a voting record"

WTF?!?!?

Then what the hell was Cheney doing in the House of Representativese from 1979 - 1988, eh?

You're an idiot.

Let's take a look at Cheney's voting record:

http://www.bush-cheney.net/spotlight/numbers.html

DICK CHENEY BY THE NUMBERS...

From 1979 - 1988, former Congressman Dick Cheney frequently sided with a small group of right-wingers in opposing common sense legislation. Here is a look at Dick Cheny by the numbers:


WORST EXAMPLE:
Cheney Was One of Only 4 House Members to Vote Against Banning Terrorist Guns in 1988.

SENIORS:
One of Only 12 House Members to Oppose Older Americans Act Amendments in 1984.

One of Only 39 House Members to Back Capping Social Security COLAs in 1985.

One of Only 8 House Members to Oppose Renewing the Older Americans Act Providing Nutrition and Support Services for Elderly People in 1987.

One of Only 7 House Members to Oppose Renewing the Conference Report on the Older Americans Act in 1987.

EDUCATION / CHILDREN:
One of Only 33 House Members to Vote Against Reauthorization of Head Start Plan in 1986.

One of Only 27 House Members to Oppose Funding for Head Start in 1986.

One of Only 25 House Members to Vote Against a Bill to Reauthorize College Student Aid in 1986.

One of Only 8 Members to Vote Against Reauthorizing Both the National Health Service Corps and the Federal Immunization Program in 1987.

CRIME & GUNS:
One of Only 16 House Members to Oppose 1983 Crime Bill Designed to Help States Fight Crime.

One of Only 31 House Members to Oppose Family Violence Prevention Program in 1984.

One of Only 21 House Members to Oppose Ban on Armor Piercing Bullets in 1985.

ENVIRONMENT:
One of Only 18 House Members to Oppose Reauthorizing "Federal Water Pollution Act" in 1981.

One of Only 9 House Members to Oppose EPA Research and Development in 1984.

One of Only 33 House Members to Oppose Reauthorization of "Superfund" in 1985.

One of Only 27 House Members to Oppose Reauthorization of Superfund in 1986.

One of Only 21 House Members to Oppose Refunding "Safe Drinking Water Act" in 1986.

One of Only 8 House Members to Oppose Reauthorization of Clean Water Act in 1987.

One of Only 26 House Members to Support Reagan's Veto of Reauthorization of Clean Water Act in 1987.

One of Only 16 House Members to Oppose Reauthorization of Endangered Species Act in 1987.

LABOR & WORKING FAMILIES:
One of Only 33 House Members to Oppose Guaranteeing Death Benefits for Firefighters and Cop Widows in 1983.

One of Only 9 Members to Vote Against Allowing Federal Employees to Take Time Off for Sick Family Members in 1988.

CIVIL RIGHTS:
One of Only 29 House Members to Oppose Collection of Hate Crime Data in 1988.

FAMILY ASSISTANCE:
One of Only 16 House Members to Vote Against Support for Nutrition Programs in 1983.

One of Only 39 House Members to Vote Against Hunger Relief Plan in 1984.

Now, you really should just stfu as you just keep embarrassing yourself with your displays of ignorance.

Conjur, you really unloaded on this guy, didn't you..just for calling you a goober.

I suppose it would have been a lot worse if he would have called you an arrogant prick, instead..

Glad that didn't happen.

 

[conjur]

Just trying my best to educate the ignorant.

 

[EXman]

I guess I screwed the pooch on that one! I was an Idiot on that but It still shows Dems Sidestep the questions and focus on tearing someone down instead of building their guy up. Have you EVER talked Kerry up? Or just bring BUsh down. I'd just Vote for Bush cause he is a man first and not a polotician

regardless Kerry Be Kofi's Puppet!

I hope Cheney kicks the Bucket tomorrow and they pick up McCain Bush win in a route then.

you are still a goober. An I still don't know dick about cheney. bad pun.

want to borrow a Xanax? I get them cheap from that bastard Rush

I'm going to stfu now and let cad argue more.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: EXman
I guess I screwed the pooch on that one! I was an Idiot on that but It still shows Dems Sidestep the questions and focus on tearing someone down instead of building their guy up. Have you EVER talked Kerry up? Or just bring BUsh down. I'd just Vote for Bush cause he is a man first and not a polotician

regardless Kerry Be Kofi's Puppet!

I hope Cheney kicks the Bucket tomorrow and they pick up McCain Bush win in a route then.

you are still a goober. An I still don't know dick about cheney. bad pun.

want to borrow a Xanax? I get them cheap from that bastard Rush

I'm going to stfu now and let cad argue more.

/me grabs the baton and blazes on down the track....

next issue? Oh yeah...the ducking of the UN Oil for food program question...

CkG

 

[Chris S]

Exman, don't give up so easily, most of conjur's quotes are from the DNC (like those fVckers will tell the undistorted truth). In one of conjurs links I found this quote interesting since it seems on topic here.

"There's no excuse for casting even one vote for unnecessary weapons of destruction, and as your senator I will never do so," Kerry said in the memo.

Come on conjur, hand me my a$$. I think we all agree the Abrams, Apache, F-14, F-15 and Bradley are unnecessary.