Kerry comment on the 2nd amendment

[Ferocious]

''I've been a hunter all my life, and I'm a gun owner, and I've never thought of going hunting with an AK-47. I believe in the Second Amendment.''

Sounds moderate and sensible to me.



Novak article

 

[DanJ]

But what if you're up against an army of dear? Like 80 strong? You need that AK-47!



But yep, sounds fine to me.

 

[shiner]

If I remember correctly Kerry is a duck hunter...nobody in their right mind would hunt ducks with an AK or any kind of rifle for that matter. However I know more than a few deer hunters who use AK's, AR15's, etc....to hunt with since they make damn good hunting rilfes. No different than my Remington Woodsmaster 740 30.06 really.....

 

[tnitsuj]

Banning "assault" weapons is stupid.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
If I remember correctly Kerry is a duck hunter...nobody in their right mind would hunt ducks with an AK or any kind of rifle for that matter. However I know more than a few deer hunters who use AK's, AR15's, etc....to hunt with since they make damn good hunting rilfes. No different than my Remington Woodsmaster 740 30.06 really.....

No difference whatsoever and quite legal if used with magazines (ex: 5-shot) conforming to local regulations. Some states frown on .223 for larger game though. Service rifles generally have a longer barrel life too.

I've hunted with my AR15 HB Match, M1 Garand (shot a 6 pt. with it in 1989 - open sights), Mini-14 and M1A.

 

[tcsenter]

''I've been a hunter all my life, and I'm a gun owner, and I've never thought of going hunting with an AK-47. I believe in the Second Amendment.''

I'm going to give Kerry the benefit of the doubt here. I believe Kerry when he professes belief in and support of the Second Amendment. Unfortunately, it is equally apparent to me that Kerry doesn't understand or perhaps has never read the Second Amendment.

Does he think the Second Amendment is about hunting ducks? Among the many uses of the word "militia" I've ever encountered, none were used to mean "a party of duck hunters".

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

''I've been a hunter all my life, and I'm a gun owner, and I've never thought of going hunting with an AK-47. I believe in the Second Amendment.''

I'm going to give Kerry the benefit of the doubt here. I believe Kerry when he professes belief in and support of the Second Amendment. Unfortunately, it is equally apparent to me that Kerry doesn't understand or perhaps has never read the Second Amendment.

Does he think the Second Amendment is about hunting ducks? Among the many uses of the word "militia" I've ever encountered, none were used to mean "a party of duck hunters".

Do you seriously think an armed citizenry is going to protect us from a despotic government?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: tcsenter

''I've been a hunter all my life, and I'm a gun owner, and I've never thought of going hunting with an AK-47. I believe in the Second Amendment.''

I'm going to give Kerry the benefit of the doubt here. I believe Kerry when he professes belief in and support of the Second Amendment. Unfortunately, it is equally apparent to me that Kerry doesn't understand or perhaps has never read the Second Amendment.

Does he think the Second Amendment is about hunting ducks? Among the many uses of the word "militia" I've ever encountered, none were used to mean "a party of duck hunters".

Do you seriously think an armed citizenry is going to protect us from a despotic government?

Foreign or domestic?

 

[tnitsuj]

Domestic primarily...but both now that I think of it.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: tcsenter

''I've been a hunter all my life, and I'm a gun owner, and I've never thought of going hunting with an AK-47. I believe in the Second Amendment.''

I'm going to give Kerry the benefit of the doubt here. I believe Kerry when he professes belief in and support of the Second Amendment. Unfortunately, it is equally apparent to me that Kerry doesn't understand or perhaps has never read the Second Amendment.

Does he think the Second Amendment is about hunting ducks? Among the many uses of the word "militia" I've ever encountered, none were used to mean "a party of duck hunters".

Do you seriously think an armed citizenry is going to protect us from a despotic government?

Foreign or domestic?

Either / Or

Any army that can get enough troops here to invade will whip the crap out of local militias. Red Dawn was just a movie.

 

[tnitsuj]

Just look at Iraq for example. As a nation, even under Saddam they were some of the most heavily armed people on earth. Having an armed citizenry did absolutely nothing however to protect thier rights against either thier own government or foreign invaders.

EDIT: I am a big supporter of the right to own guns (with the exception of things like Saturday Night Specials, Full Auto weapons etc.) I am however baffelled when people think that guns are the final arbriter of freedom. Your guns are useless against the power of the state.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Do you seriously think an armed citizenry is going to protect us from a despotic government?

...only thing keeping the Canadians in place to our North, eh.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Just look at Iraq for example. As a nation, even under Saddam they were some of the most heavily armed people on earth. Having an armed citizenry did absolutely nothing however to protect thier rights against either thier own government or foreign invaders.

They were going from the tyranny of a dictator to the bumbling of a new democracy...what did they have to fight for? We've lived under freedom and democracy for centuries and will all probably prefer to die than be placed under any other form of government.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Just look at Iraq for example. As a nation, even under Saddam they were some of the most heavily armed people on earth. Having an armed citizenry did absolutely nothing however to protect thier rights against either thier own government or foreign invaders.

They were going from the tyranny of a dictator to the bumbling of a new democracy...what did they have to fight for? We've lived under freedom and democracy for centuries and will all probably prefer to die than be placed under any other form of government.

What does that have to do with guns?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: tcsenter

''I've been a hunter all my life, and I'm a gun owner, and I've never thought of going hunting with an AK-47. I believe in the Second Amendment.''

I'm going to give Kerry the benefit of the doubt here. I believe Kerry when he professes belief in and support of the Second Amendment. Unfortunately, it is equally apparent to me that Kerry doesn't understand or perhaps has never read the Second Amendment.

Does he think the Second Amendment is about hunting ducks? Among the many uses of the word "militia" I've ever encountered, none were used to mean "a party of duck hunters".

Do you seriously think an armed citizenry is going to protect us from a despotic government?

This is one of the rare times I'm going to agree with tcsenter. And I think an armed citizenry will do a lot to prevent a despotic government more so than protecting from one after the fact.

 

[Zephyr106]

I am however baffelled when people think that guns are the final arbriter of freedom. Your guns are useless against the power of the state.

This is why Americans should all be allowed to own SAMs and anti-tank missiles.

Zephyr

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Do you seriously think an armed citizenry is going to protect us from a despotic government?

In this country, perhaps not "protect" against the despot in the classical sense, but rather dissuade those holding despotic aspirations.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Anyone remember that the 'Citizens' of Iraq are armed to the teeth -
with weapons that we would never allow in the hands of US citizens ?

Wasn't much help against their 'Despotic Government', was it.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Anyone remember that the 'Citizens' of Iraq are armed to the teeth -
with weapons that we would never allow in the hands of US citizens ?

Wasn't much help against their 'Despotic Government', was it.

I already mentioned that.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Anyone remember that the 'Citizens' of Iraq are armed to the teeth -
with weapons that we would never allow in the hands of US citizens ?

Wasn't much help against their 'Despotic Government', was it.

I already mentioned that.

And I refuted it. RTFT before posting...kthx.

 

[tcsenter]

Do you seriously think an armed citizenry is going to protect us from a despotic government?

Whether any given armed citizenry would prevail over any given tyrannical government remains and will remain an open [academic] question.

What is not an open question is whether the Framers of the Constitution believed that duck hunting was necessary to the security of a free state.

 

[DealMonkey]

I used to believe that guns were a serious problem in this country. Now, after much thought on the matter, I believe that it's not guns that are the problem, rather it's the minority of Americans that cannot supress their murderous, violent tendencies. The problem is with our hostile war-like culture which sometimes, I feel is reinforced from the top on down.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: BDawg
Either / Or

Any army that can get enough troops here to invade will whip the crap out of local militias. Red Dawn was just a movie.

Algeria, Vietnam and Somalia were not movies.

From another perspective, if two ex-GIs can obliterate 166 people in Oklahoma City, imagine what 20,000 similarly trained and motivated individuals might accomplish.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: BDawg
Either / Or

Any army that can get enough troops here to invade will whip the crap out of local militias. Red Dawn was just a movie.

Algeria, Vietnam and Somalia were not movies.

From another perspective, if two ex-GIs can obliterate 166 people in Oklahoma City, imagine what 20,000 similarly trained and motivated individuals might accomplish.

Doesn't bode well for Iraq then does it?

 

[Spencer278]

How well the people could hold back a 'Despotic Government' would depend manly on how much support the military was giving the goverment. To rule you need both a military and secret police if either is week then I think the people could easly over throw the 'Despotic Goverment.