Kerry backs much of pre-emption doctrine

[Ogi]

well if you think that making a pre-emptive strike on al-quida is the same thing as a pre-emptive strike on iraq, why don't we do a pre-emptive strike on saudi arabia, since 15 of the 18 9/11 hijackers are citizens of that country.

catch my drift yet?

Ogi

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: alchemize

2) Point out where the U.S. has ever proposed a pre-emptive, full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation prior to 2002. Excuse me while I don't hold my breath

Vietnam, Korea, Kosovo, Grenada, Panama...

Vietnam was pre-emptive? Vietnam was split into North and South with the North then attacking the South. The U.S. then became involved to stave off the spread of communism.

Korea was pre-emptive? North Korea invaded South Korea in 1950. The UN Security Council asked UN members to help the South Koreans fight back and regain control.

Our Kosovo involvement started with Pres. Bush in 1992 with his statement that if the Serbs attacked Kosovo, we would get involved. Which is happened in 1999 after the Serbs began attacking Kosovo in late 1998. There was no pre-emptive strike there and there was also no full-blown invasion and occupation.

Grenada involved a violent coup that threatened American students on the island as well as neighboring nations in the Caribbean. No pre-emption. Although, it did allow Reagan to flex the U.S. military might against Castro's interests.

Panama was also not a pre-emptive strike. Noriega had declared a state of war with the U.S. and a U.S. Marine was killed. Pres. Bush caught a lot of grief over the fight, though, after hundreds of Panamanians were killed in the fighting.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Conjur, are you flip-flopping like your candidate John Kerry?

Let me remind you of what you said in previous threads:

"A pre-emptive invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation is making "a mountaing out of a mole hill"??? WTF??"

"We have been for pre-emptive, full-scale invasions of sovereign nations in the past? hmm....guess I missed the memo."

"Although I have yet to read Mr. Clarke's book, from what I've scanned in news articles, reviews and op-ed's, his policy prescriptions seem to be of an unilateralist and pre-emptive nature. Almost 'cowboyesque'".

"I'd give up a tax cut if it meant no more pre-emptive invasions."

Now I know you're full of sh*t!

1) I was referring to someone minimalizing the invasion of Iraq. It was a very major event. Would you not agree?

2) Point out where the U.S. has ever proposed a pre-emptive, full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation prior to 2002. Excuse me while I don't hold my breath.

3) Never said that. That is not my quote. You're an idiot.

4) Yes, I would give up a tax cut if it meant no more pre-emptive invasions. That was in a thread about compromises:
When and where would you Compromise?
What issue would you trade with another political party?

That was a hypothetical. Realistically speaking, I would support a pre-emptive invasion if it was truly justified.

Afghanistan ring any bells?

I can see we're not in the no-spin zone!

Go ahead, Rip. Prove *any* of that is spin.

Go ahead.


I won't be holding my breath.

I just handed you your ass for about the 10th time in a week.

Yoo hoo????

Where'd ya go, Rip?

 

[glenn1]

2) Point out where the U.S. has ever proposed a pre-emptive, full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation prior to 2002.

LMAO, I hope you're kidding. Here's a partial list from off the top of my head...

War of 1812 and the invasion of Canada

The Texas Revolution and Battle of the Alamo, 1835-36

US-Mexican War, 1846-48

The invasion of Hawaii and overthrow of the monarchy

Spanish-American War, 1898

Invasion of Honduras, 1903

Here's a nice summary (the source is a bit biased in his POV, but his info is basically accurate)

History of American wars


Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23 countries. These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, and Yugoslavia 1999.

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state.

The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy of the United States over the span of the past century:

Argentina - 1890 - Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect business interests.
Chile - 1891 - Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist rebels.
Haiti - 1891 - American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on United States-claimed Navassa Island.
Hawaii - 1893 - Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent kingdom - Hawaii annexed by the United States.
Nicaragua - 1894 - Troops occupied Bluefield's, a city on the Caribbean Sea, for a month.
China - 1894-95 - Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino-Japanese War.
Korea - 1894-96 - Troops kept in Seoul during the war.
Panama - 1895 - Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of Corinto.
China - 1894-1900 - Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion.
Philippines - 1898-1910 - Navy and Army troops landed after the Philippines fell during the Spanish-American War; 600,000 Filipinos were killed.
Cuba - 1898-1902 - Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish-American War; the United States still maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today.
Puerto Rico - 1898 - present - Troops seized Puerto Rico in the Spanish-American War and still occupy Puerto Rico today.
Nicaragua - 1898 - Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur.
Samoa - 1899 - Troops landed as a result over the battle for succession to the throne.
Panama - 1901-14 - Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal Zone since 1901 when construction for the canal began.
Honduras - 1903 - Marines landed to intervene during a revolution.
Dominican Rep 1903-04 - Troops landed to protect American interests during a revolution.
Korea - 1904-05 - Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War.
Cuba - 1906-09 - Troops landed during an election.
Nicaragua - 1907 - Troops landed and a protectorate was set up.
Honduras - 1907 - Marines landed during Honduras' war with Nicaragua.
Panama - 1908 - Marines sent in during Panama's election.
Nicaragua - 1910 - Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and Corinto.
Honduras - 1911 - Troops sent in to protect American interests during Honduras' civil war.
China - 1911-41 - Navy and troops sent to China during continuous flare-ups.
Cuba - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana.
Panama - 1912 - Marines landed during Panama's election.
Honduras - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests.
Nicaragua - 1912-33 - Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas during its 20-year civil war.
Mexico - 1913 - Navy evacuated Americans during revolution.
Dominican Rep 1914 - Navy fought with rebels over Santo Domingo.
Mexico - 1914-18 - Navy and troops sent in to intervene against nationalists.
Haiti - 1914-34 - Troops occupied Haiti after a revolution and occupied Haiti for 19 years.
Dominican Rep 1916-24 - Marines occupied the Dominican Republic for eight years.
Cuba - 1917-33 - Troops landed and occupied Cuba for 16 years; Cuba became an economic protectorate.
World War I - 1917-18 - Navy and Army sent to Europe to fight the Axis powers.
Russia - 1918-22 - Navy and troops sent to eastern Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution; Army made five landings.
Honduras - 1919 - Marines sent during Honduras' national elections.
Guatemala - 1920 - Troops occupied Guatemala for two weeks during a union strike.
Turkey - 1922 - Troops fought nationalists in Smyrna.
China - 1922-27 - Navy and Army troops deployed during a nationalist revolt.
Honduras - 1924-25 - Troops landed twice during a national election.
Panama - 1925 - Troops sent in to put down a general strike.
China - 1927-34 - Marines sent in and stationed for seven years throughout China.
El Salvador - 1932 - Naval warships deployed during the FMLN revolt under Marti.
World War II - 1941-45 - Military fought the Axis powers: Japan, Germany, and Italy.
Yugoslavia - 1946 - Navy deployed off the coast of Yugoslavia in response to the downing of an American plane.
Uruguay - 1947 - Bombers deployed as a show of military force.
Greece - 1947-49 - United States operations insured a victory for the far right in national "elections."
Germany - 1948 - Military deployed in response to the Berlin blockade; the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days.
Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war against the Filipino Huk revolt.
Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an independence rebellion in Ponce.
Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the war.
Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power.
Vietnam - 1954 - The United States offered weapons to the French in the battle against Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh.
Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas in power.
Egypt - 1956 - Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal.
Lebanon - 1958 - Navy supported an Army occupation of Lebanon during its civil war.
Panama - 1958 - Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations threatened the Canal Zone.
Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.
Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow the Castro government.
Cuba - 1962 - The Navy quarantines Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Laos - 1962 - Military occupied Laos during its civil war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas.
Panama - 1964 - Troops sent in and Panamanians shot while protesting the United States presence in the Canal Zone.
Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military coup.
Dominican Rep- 1965-66 - Troops deployed during a national election.
Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.
Cambodia - 1969-75 - Military sent in after the Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia.
Oman - 1970 - Marines landed to direct a possible invasion into Iran.
Laos - 1971-75 - Americans carpet-bomb the countryside during Laos' civil war.
Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende who had been popularly elected. The CIA helped to establish a military regime under General Pinochet.
Cambodia - 1975 - Twenty-eight Americans killed in an effort to retrieve the crew of the ayaquez, which had been seized.
Angola - 1976-92 - The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against Marxist Angola.
Iran - 1980 - Americans aborted a rescue attempt to liberate 52 hostages seized in the Teheran embassy.
Libya - 1981 - American fighters shoot down two Libyan fighters.
El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN.
Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against the Sandinistas.
Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon's civil war; 241 were killed in the American barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the Mediterranean.
Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran border.
Grenada - 1983-84 - American invasion overthrew the Maurice Bishop government.
Iran - 1984 - American fighters shot down two Iranian planes over the Persian Gulf.
Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and around the capital city of Tripoli.
Bolivia - 1986 - The Army assisted government troops on raids of cocaine areas.
Iran - 1987-88 - The United States intervened on the side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.
Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.
Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island peoples.
Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for government during coup.
Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama civilians were killed.
Liberia - 1990 - Troops entered Liberia to evacuate foreigners during civil war.
Saudi Arabia - 1990-91 - American troops sent to Saudi Arabia, which was a staging area in the war against Iraq.
Kuwait - 1991 - Troops sent into Kuwait to turn back Saddam Hussein.
Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.
Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone" during civil war in Yugoslavia.
Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power.
Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began.
Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.
Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.
Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.
Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the United States in conjunction with NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.
Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi targets since December 1998.

These **100** instances of American military intervention did not include times when the United States:
(1) deployed military police overseas;
(2) mobilized the National Guard;
(3) sent Navy ships off the coast of numerous countries as a show of strength;
(4) sent additional troops to areas where Americans were already stationed;
(5) carried out covert actions where American forces were not under the direct rule of an American command;
(6) used small hostage rescue units;
(7) used American pilots to fly foreign planes;
(8) carried out military training and advisory programs which did not involve direct combat.

 

[Ogi]

i'm not up w/ my american history like i should be, but correct me if i'm wrong when i say that we initiated formal decloration of wars prior to attacks/invasions you listed "off the top of your head".


even so, just because it was done over 100 years ago it doesn't make it right.

Ogi

 

[sMiLeYz]

Does this mean you're going to stop b!tching about Kerry/Edwards?

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Pre-emptive strike on terrorist with good intel != invading a country not involved in terrorism based on bad intel.

Not involved in Terrorism ?


Isn't it a well known fact that Iraq under Saddam's rule paid Palestinian terrorists and or their familes for suicide bombings ?

 

[LunarRay]

Rip,

What do you Libs think about that?

I am happy that he would thwart an offensive action against my nation or my person.

I think perhaps, however, that you draw a parallel betwixt Kerry's position and Bush's action in Iraq. Show us the WMD/Delivery Systems/Proof of the immanent use as proclaimed as the reason Bush invaded Iraq. Failing that we don't have a Kerry/Bush comparison.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Originally posted by: Todd33
Pre-emptive strike on terrorist with good intel != invading a country not involved in terrorism based on bad intel.

Not involved in Terrorism ?


Isn't it a well known fact that Iraq under Saddam's rule paid Palestinian terrorists and or their familes for suicide bombings ?

Not exactly. He gave money to the families of the suicide bombers afterwards. It's not quite the same as paying them to do it, but technically, it is support. It really depends on your point of view too. IIRC, when a Palestinian commits a suicide bombing, Israel responds by missile attacks on the house where said bomber lived. Basically, they take out the home, and possibly the remainder of the family of the bomber as a response since they can't do anything to the bomber.

Some could argue it was humanitarian of Saddam to do this, but the main reasoning behind it IMO was simply Israel was his enemy, and the bombers were doing him a favor with their attacks.

 

[judasmachine]

I think anyone but bush anyway. What do ya think about that?

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Ogi
rip do you believe that a pre-emptive strike against a terrorist organization is the same thing as a pre-emptive strike against a whole country?

Ogi

I'm not sure I understand the distinction that you are trying to draw.

Neither did Dubya. That is the problem.


--------------------
Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980

 

[Kibbo]

glenn 1,

Although the information you provided in your post was infromative and illuminating, and goes a long way towards explaining international suspicion towards unilateral American military action, I think (at least some of it) misses the definition of pre-emptive.

Pre-emptive: 2. (of military action) intended to prevent attack by disabling the enemy.

Oxford English Reference Dictionary
2nd edition.

Just looking at the war of 1812, the first on your list (and most important to me, a Canuck) it seems that the military action was taken in order to end an economic embargo. Hardly pre-emptive in a military sense. I'm sure the British would have been happy just taking a cut of every American export in perpetuity.

I think that every state has the right to take pre-empptive action in the face of a clear and immediate threat.

I also think that every state that every state has the right to take military action against another nation that is knowingly acting as a base of operations for terrorist strikes, whether in the past or imminently.

I also think that Iraq fulfilled neither condition.

 

[Ogi]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Ogi
rip do you believe that a pre-emptive strike against a terrorist organization is the same thing as a pre-emptive strike against a whole country?

Ogi

I'm not sure I understand the distinction that you are trying to draw.

Neither did Dubya. That is the problem.


--------------------
Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980

you took the words right out of my mouth.

Ogi

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Ogi
rip do you believe that a pre-emptive strike against a terrorist organization is the same thing as a pre-emptive strike against a whole country?

Ogi

I'm not sure I understand the distinction that you are trying to draw.

Neither did Dubya. That is the problem.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Conjur, are you flip-flopping like your candidate John Kerry?

Let me remind you of what you said in previous threads:

"A pre-emptive invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation is making "a mountaing out of a mole hill"??? WTF??"

"We have been for pre-emptive, full-scale invasions of sovereign nations in the past? hmm....guess I missed the memo."

"Although I have yet to read Mr. Clarke's book, from what I've scanned in news articles, reviews and op-ed's, his policy prescriptions seem to be of an unilateralist and pre-emptive nature. Almost 'cowboyesque'".

"I'd give up a tax cut if it meant no more pre-emptive invasions."

Now I know you're full of sh*t!

1) I was referring to someone minimalizing the invasion of Iraq. It was a very major event. Would you not agree?

2) Point out where the U.S. has ever proposed a pre-emptive, full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation prior to 2002. Excuse me while I don't hold my breath.

3) Never said that. That is not my quote. You're an idiot.

4) Yes, I would give up a tax cut if it meant no more pre-emptive invasions. That was in a thread about compromises:
When and where would you Compromise?
What issue would you trade with another political party?

That was a hypothetical. Realistically speaking, I would support a pre-emptive invasion if it was truly justified.

Afghanistan ring any bells?

I can see we're not in the no-spin zone!

Go ahead, Rip. Prove *any* of that is spin.

Go ahead.


I won't be holding my breath.

I just handed you your ass for about the 10th time in a week.

Yoo hoo????

Where'd ya go, Rip?

 

[Siddhartha]

I think the expensively learned lesson of the invasion of Iraq will preclude any similar military action by any prsident, except GWB, for three or four generations. But if GWB gets re-elected he will consider it support for his "foreign" policies.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Conjur, are you flip-flopping like your candidate John Kerry?

Let me remind you of what you said in previous threads:

"A pre-emptive invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation is making "a mountaing out of a mole hill"??? WTF??"

"We have been for pre-emptive, full-scale invasions of sovereign nations in the past? hmm....guess I missed the memo."

"Although I have yet to read Mr. Clarke's book, from what I've scanned in news articles, reviews and op-ed's, his policy prescriptions seem to be of an unilateralist and pre-emptive nature. Almost 'cowboyesque'".

"I'd give up a tax cut if it meant no more pre-emptive invasions."

Now I know you're full of sh*t!

1) I was referring to someone minimalizing the invasion of Iraq. It was a very major event. Would you not agree?

2) Point out where the U.S. has ever proposed a pre-emptive, full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation prior to 2002. Excuse me while I don't hold my breath.

3) Never said that. That is not my quote. You're an idiot.

4) Yes, I would give up a tax cut if it meant no more pre-emptive invasions. That was in a thread about compromises:
When and where would you Compromise?
What issue would you trade with another political party?

That was a hypothetical. Realistically speaking, I would support a pre-emptive invasion if it was truly justified.

Afghanistan ring any bells?

I can see we're not in the no-spin zone!

Go ahead, Rip. Prove *any* of that is spin.

Go ahead.


I won't be holding my breath.

I just handed you your ass for about the 10th time in a week.

Yoo hoo????

Where'd ya go, Rip?

Guess it takes a few days for that "critical thinking" to come up with anything.

 

[conjur]

Still waiting, Rip.

What's it going to be?

Are you going to run away and hide in the corner, whimpering?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: conjur
Still waiting, Rip.

What's it going to be?

Are you going to run away and hide in the corner, whimpering?

Are you still holding to this statement: "Point out where the U.S. has ever proposed a pre-emptive, full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation prior to 2002. Excuse me while I don't hold my breath."

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Conjur, are you flip-flopping like your candidate John Kerry?

Let me remind you of what you said in previous threads:

"A pre-emptive invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation is making "a mountaing out of a mole hill"??? WTF??"

"We have been for pre-emptive, full-scale invasions of sovereign nations in the past? hmm....guess I missed the memo."

"Although I have yet to read Mr. Clarke's book, from what I've scanned in news articles, reviews and op-ed's, his policy prescriptions seem to be of an unilateralist and pre-emptive nature. Almost 'cowboyesque'".

"I'd give up a tax cut if it meant no more pre-emptive invasions."

Now I know you're full of sh*t!

1) I was referring to someone minimalizing the invasion of Iraq. It was a very major event. Would you not agree?

2) Point out where the U.S. has ever proposed a pre-emptive, full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation prior to 2002. Excuse me while I don't hold my breath.

3) Never said that. That is not my quote. You're an idiot.

4) Yes, I would give up a tax cut if it meant no more pre-emptive invasions. That was in a thread about compromises:
When and where would you Compromise?
What issue would you trade with another political party?

That was a hypothetical. Realistically speaking, I would support a pre-emptive invasion if it was truly justified.

Afghanistan ring any bells?

I can see we're not in the no-spin zone!

This, if you would learn how to read.

Go ahead.

Show where ANY of that is spin.

Go ahead.

 

[conjur]

Yeah...I thought so.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...I thought so.

How is he supposed to prove something like 'spin'? Come on Conjur.. you are becoming more and more unstable with each passing day. You history indicates you will pretty much spout the left wing line on EVERY issue. Seems to me like an accusation of SPIN is quite valid in that case.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: glenn1

2) Point out where the U.S. has ever proposed a pre-emptive, full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation prior to 2002.

LMAO, I hope you're kidding. Here's a partial list from off the top of my head...

War of 1812 and the invasion of Canada

The Texas Revolution and Battle of the Alamo, 1835-36

US-Mexican War, 1846-48

The invasion of Hawaii and overthrow of the monarchy

Spanish-American War, 1898

Invasion of Honduras, 1903

Here's a nice summary (the source is a bit biased in his POV, but his info is basically accurate)

History of American wars


Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23 countries. These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, and Yugoslavia 1999.

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state.

The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy of the United States over the span of the past century:

Argentina - 1890 - Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect business interests.
Chile - 1891 - Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist rebels.
Haiti - 1891 - American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on United States-claimed Navassa Island.
Hawaii - 1893 - Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent kingdom - Hawaii annexed by the United States.
Nicaragua - 1894 - Troops occupied Bluefield's, a city on the Caribbean Sea, for a month.
China - 1894-95 - Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino-Japanese War.
Korea - 1894-96 - Troops kept in Seoul during the war.
Panama - 1895 - Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of Corinto.
China - 1894-1900 - Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion.
Philippines - 1898-1910 - Navy and Army troops landed after the Philippines fell during the Spanish-American War; 600,000 Filipinos were killed.
Cuba - 1898-1902 - Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish-American War; the United States still maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today.
Puerto Rico - 1898 - present - Troops seized Puerto Rico in the Spanish-American War and still occupy Puerto Rico today.
Nicaragua - 1898 - Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur.
Samoa - 1899 - Troops landed as a result over the battle for succession to the throne.
Panama - 1901-14 - Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal Zone since 1901 when construction for the canal began.
Honduras - 1903 - Marines landed to intervene during a revolution.
Dominican Rep 1903-04 - Troops landed to protect American interests during a revolution.
Korea - 1904-05 - Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War.
Cuba - 1906-09 - Troops landed during an election.
Nicaragua - 1907 - Troops landed and a protectorate was set up.
Honduras - 1907 - Marines landed during Honduras' war with Nicaragua.
Panama - 1908 - Marines sent in during Panama's election.
Nicaragua - 1910 - Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and Corinto.
Honduras - 1911 - Troops sent in to protect American interests during Honduras' civil war.
China - 1911-41 - Navy and troops sent to China during continuous flare-ups.
Cuba - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana.
Panama - 1912 - Marines landed during Panama's election.
Honduras - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests.
Nicaragua - 1912-33 - Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas during its 20-year civil war.
Mexico - 1913 - Navy evacuated Americans during revolution.
Dominican Rep 1914 - Navy fought with rebels over Santo Domingo.
Mexico - 1914-18 - Navy and troops sent in to intervene against nationalists.
Haiti - 1914-34 - Troops occupied Haiti after a revolution and occupied Haiti for 19 years.
Dominican Rep 1916-24 - Marines occupied the Dominican Republic for eight years.
Cuba - 1917-33 - Troops landed and occupied Cuba for 16 years; Cuba became an economic protectorate.
World War I - 1917-18 - Navy and Army sent to Europe to fight the Axis powers.
Russia - 1918-22 - Navy and troops sent to eastern Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution; Army made five landings.
Honduras - 1919 - Marines sent during Honduras' national elections.
Guatemala - 1920 - Troops occupied Guatemala for two weeks during a union strike.
Turkey - 1922 - Troops fought nationalists in Smyrna.
China - 1922-27 - Navy and Army troops deployed during a nationalist revolt.
Honduras - 1924-25 - Troops landed twice during a national election.
Panama - 1925 - Troops sent in to put down a general strike.
China - 1927-34 - Marines sent in and stationed for seven years throughout China.
El Salvador - 1932 - Naval warships deployed during the FMLN revolt under Marti.
World War II - 1941-45 - Military fought the Axis powers: Japan, Germany, and Italy.
Yugoslavia - 1946 - Navy deployed off the coast of Yugoslavia in response to the downing of an American plane.
Uruguay - 1947 - Bombers deployed as a show of military force.
Greece - 1947-49 - United States operations insured a victory for the far right in national "elections."
Germany - 1948 - Military deployed in response to the Berlin blockade; the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days.
Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war against the Filipino Huk revolt.
Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an independence rebellion in Ponce.
Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the war.
Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power.
Vietnam - 1954 - The United States offered weapons to the French in the battle against Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh.
Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas in power.
Egypt - 1956 - Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal.
Lebanon - 1958 - Navy supported an Army occupation of Lebanon during its civil war.
Panama - 1958 - Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations threatened the Canal Zone.
Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.
Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow the Castro government.
Cuba - 1962 - The Navy quarantines Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Laos - 1962 - Military occupied Laos during its civil war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas.
Panama - 1964 - Troops sent in and Panamanians shot while protesting the United States presence in the Canal Zone.
Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military coup.
Dominican Rep- 1965-66 - Troops deployed during a national election.
Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.
Cambodia - 1969-75 - Military sent in after the Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia.
Oman - 1970 - Marines landed to direct a possible invasion into Iran.
Laos - 1971-75 - Americans carpet-bomb the countryside during Laos' civil war.
Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende who had been popularly elected. The CIA helped to establish a military regime under General Pinochet.
Cambodia - 1975 - Twenty-eight Americans killed in an effort to retrieve the crew of the ayaquez, which had been seized.
Angola - 1976-92 - The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against Marxist Angola.
Iran - 1980 - Americans aborted a rescue attempt to liberate 52 hostages seized in the Teheran embassy.
Libya - 1981 - American fighters shoot down two Libyan fighters.
El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN.
Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against the Sandinistas.
Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon's civil war; 241 were killed in the American barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the Mediterranean.
Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran border.
Grenada - 1983-84 - American invasion overthrew the Maurice Bishop government.
Iran - 1984 - American fighters shot down two Iranian planes over the Persian Gulf.
Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and around the capital city of Tripoli.
Bolivia - 1986 - The Army assisted government troops on raids of cocaine areas.
Iran - 1987-88 - The United States intervened on the side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.
Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.
Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island peoples.
Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for government during coup.
Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama civilians were killed.
Liberia - 1990 - Troops entered Liberia to evacuate foreigners during civil war.
Saudi Arabia - 1990-91 - American troops sent to Saudi Arabia, which was a staging area in the war against Iraq.
Kuwait - 1991 - Troops sent into Kuwait to turn back Saddam Hussein.
Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.
Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone" during civil war in Yugoslavia.
Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power.
Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began.
Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.
Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.
Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.
Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the United States in conjunction with NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.
Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi targets since December 1998.

These **100** instances of American military intervention did not include times when the United States:
(1) deployed military police overseas;
(2) mobilized the National Guard;
(3) sent Navy ships off the coast of numerous countries as a show of strength;
(4) sent additional troops to areas where Americans were already stationed;
(5) carried out covert actions where American forces were not under the direct rule of an American command;
(6) used small hostage rescue units;
(7) used American pilots to fly foreign planes;
(8) carried out military training and advisory programs which did not involve direct combat.

lol...nice, Yoo hoo conjur where is your retort to this??

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Conjur, are you flip-flopping like your candidate John Kerry?

Let me remind you of what you said in previous threads:

"A pre-emptive invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation is making "a mountaing out of a mole hill"??? WTF??"

"We have been for pre-emptive, full-scale invasions of sovereign nations in the past? hmm....guess I missed the memo."

"Although I have yet to read Mr. Clarke's book, from what I've scanned in news articles, reviews and op-ed's, his policy prescriptions seem to be of an unilateralist and pre-emptive nature. Almost 'cowboyesque'".

"I'd give up a tax cut if it meant no more pre-emptive invasions."

Now I know you're full of sh*t!

1) I was referring to someone minimalizing the invasion of Iraq. It was a very major event. Would you not agree?

2) Point out where the U.S. has ever proposed a pre-emptive, full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation prior to 2002. Excuse me while I don't hold my breath.

3) Never said that. That is not my quote. You're an idiot.

4) Yes, I would give up a tax cut if it meant no more pre-emptive invasions. That was in a thread about compromises:
When and where would you Compromise?
What issue would you trade with another political party?

That was a hypothetical. Realistically speaking, I would support a pre-emptive invasion if it was truly justified.

Afghanistan ring any bells?

I can see we're not in the no-spin zone!

This, if you would learn how to read.

Go ahead.

Show where ANY of that is spin.

Go ahead.

Still waiting, Rip.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

2) Point out where the U.S. has ever proposed a pre-emptive, full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation prior to 2002.

lol...nice, Yoo hoo conjur where is your retort to this??

Note my statement.