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werepossum

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Have to give the Dems credit, they've done an excellent job in getting progressives elected in a center-right country and it's paid off in two solid ideologues on SCOTUS. There is one remaining Blue Dog Senator and a dozen or two in the House, the rest are reliably liberal on every issue. Pubbies on the other hand have a significant number of country club Republicans, liberals who are apparently Republicans only because they dislike sharing a party with their domestic help rather than for any ideological reason.
 

ayabe

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Have to give the Dems credit, they've done an excellent job in getting progressives elected in a center-right country and it's paid off in two solid ideologues on SCOTUS. There is one remaining Blue Dog Senator and a dozen or two in the House, the rest are reliably liberal on every issue. Pubbies on the other hand have a significant number of country club Republicans, liberals who are apparently Republicans only because they dislike sharing a party with their domestic help rather than for any ideological reason.

I love this whining especially in light of pure right wing judicial activism like Citizens United.

Aside from overturning Roe v Wade, what would make the SCOTUS sufficiently balanced in your tiny world? Roberts, Thomas, and Scalia are all borderline hacks so would having two more clones like them on the court make you stop crying?
 

hal2kilo

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I love this whining especially in light of pure right wing judicial activism like Citizens United.

Aside from overturning Roe v Wade, what would make the SCOTUS sufficiently balanced in your tiny world? Roberts, Thomas, and Scalia are all borderline hacks so would having two more clones like them on the court make you stop crying?

Amen brother!

They're so into the constitution that they (the right), let me see want to;
change the 14 ammendment
repeal the 17th ammendment
add a marriage ammendment

Did I miss anything?
 
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hal2kilo

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Let me see if I can understand this. The parties (Tea Party and Republicans) that claim to want to adhere to the Constitution and hate acitivist judges so far want to;

Change the 14th ammendment
Repeal the 17th ammendment
Repeal the 10th ammendment
Add a protect marriage ammendment
Are happy about the activist decision of the Citizens United case

Did I miss anything
 

PokerGuy

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Let me see if I can understand this. The parties (Tea Party and Republicans) that claim to want to adhere to the Constitution and hate acitivist judges so far want to;

Making changes to the constitution has NOTHING to do with activist judges. It's the PROPER way to change the laws of the land. Activist judges create new laws with their rulings instead of following the ones already on the books.
 

Jhhnn

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Making changes to the constitution has NOTHING to do with activist judges. It's the PROPER way to change the laws of the land. Activist judges create new laws with their rulings instead of following the ones already on the books.

Silly person- the SCOTUS occasionally interprets the constitution to mean something other than what their detractors thought it meant previously, that's all. If it weren't for "activist" judges, we'd still have segregation, no miranda rights, no right to court appointed attorneys, no right to privacy in our bedrooms and a few other minor details that Righties would really rather not discuss.

Change the Constitution ATM? Just rightwing noise, an attempt to distract the public from the utter failure of their own policies, a way to keep the faithful in the choirloft

But do rave on... it's amusing, anyway...
 

Lemon law

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Let me see if I can understand this. The parties (Tea Party and Republicans) that claim to want to adhere to the Constitution and hate acitivist judges so far want to;

Change the 14th ammendment
Repeal the 17th ammendment
Repeal the 10th ammendment
Add a protect marriage ammendment
Are happy about the activist decision of the Citizens United case

Did I miss anything
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Yes, you missed repealing Roe Wade.

And because every rational religious radical righter knew they could never do that through the legislative process, the American electorate majority simply would never vote for reapealing Roe v Wade.

So the Religious right instead decided it was smarter to pack the courts
and let the courts do what congress would never permit.

Even if GWB&co did nothing to support any real anti-abortion legislation, ole GW was their man at the courts, and just one GOP SCOTUS pick, and Roe v Wade could have been toast. A religious right pack the courts agenda over 40 years in the making, so close the religious right could taste it.

But sadly for the religious right in a single issue agenda, GWB&co forgot to do the good governance thing, and if Obama gets one more SCOTUS pick, its 40 years of religious right efforts down the toilet.
 

Moonbeam

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Making changes to the constitution has NOTHING to do with activist judges. It's the PROPER way to change the laws of the land. Activist judges create new laws with their rulings instead of following the ones already on the books.

You bring your stupidity to thread after thread being shown in each what a fool you are. You are now well known as a fool. Congratulations.
 

Chaotic42

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Let me see if I can understand this. The parties (Tea Party and Republicans) that claim to want to adhere to the Constitution and hate acitivist judges so far want to;

Change the 14th ammendment
Repeal the 17th ammendment
Repeal the 10th ammendment
Add a protect marriage ammendment
Are happy about the activist decision of the Citizens United case

Did I miss anything

I think by "Pro-Constitution" they mean "Pro-Original Constitution and the Bill of Rights".

I wouldn't be against rewriting the constitution, but I don't trust anyone in power to do it.
 

shira

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Making changes to the constitution has NOTHING to do with activist judges. It's the PROPER way to change the laws of the land. Activist judges create new laws with their rulings instead of following the ones already on the books.

So according to you, if there's a law on the books, judges are required to just follow what the law says, even if what the law says violates the Constitution? Is this what you CLAIM to believe?

If so, how come all the righties rejoiced when 5 justices on the SCOTUS overturned handgun laws in Washington, D.C. and Chicago? If the justices are supposed to just "follow the law," the laws were crystal clear: No handguns.

Oh, wait, I forgot: Only liberal decisions are activist. Because conservatives say so.
 

khon

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Let me see if I can understand this. The parties (Tea Party and Republicans) that claim to want to adhere to the Constitution and hate acitivist judges so far want to;

Change the 14th ammendment
Repeal the 17th ammendment
Repeal the 10th ammendment
Add a protect marriage ammendment
Are happy about the activist decision of the Citizens United case

Did I miss anything

Yes.

They also want to ignore the 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th amendments when fighting terrorism.
 

hal2kilo

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Yes, you missed repealing Roe Wade.

I just assumed that everyone knew that was a given.

Also you wouldn't be repealing it. You would be overturning precidence, which is the opposite of Stare Decisis ( I got no comments on that one earlier so I guess people thought is was a big typo)
 
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peonyu

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Is this really a surprise ? It seems that anytime anyone is nominated for a position nowadays, they get it.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Is this really a surprise ? It seems that anytime anyone is nominated for a position nowadays, they get it.

Keep up dude. She already won the Senate nomination. This was the official swearing in.
 

Chaotic42

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Google "John Marshall".

The ignorance of United States history on this Forum is appalling.

Maybe he didn't know it, but maybe he did. I don't think that he's alone in thinking that a Supreme Court judge should have sat on a bench before. Just because there have been others doesn't necessarily justify it.
 

Craig234

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Is this really a surprise ? It seems that anytime anyone is nominated for a position nowadays, they get it.

No, traditionally, someone this well-qualified would have had close to 100 votes for approval. It's evidence of the radicalization of the Republican Party that there were 37 no votes.

She is no pick of the liberals - but a much more centrist pick (whatever she turns out later). I'm not excited about her. Yet there were nearly all Republicans saying no. Ridiculous.
 

Craig234

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Making changes to the constitution has NOTHING to do with activist judges. It's the PROPER way to change the laws of the land. Activist judges create new laws with their rulings instead of following the ones already on the books.

So, when the constitution's few words can be interpreted different ways, the way you don't like is 'activist' and the way you like is 'correct'.

For example, when birth control pills were invented and a state outlawed them for moral reasons, the justices who saw the constitution had general protection for privacy that was not enumerated for birth-control pills for obvious reasons, but included not allowing the government to get involved in that decision for vague 'moral' reasons, were 'activists', and the ones who said 'the constitution doesn't mention birth control pills, so the court won't invent the right' were 'correct', according to your definitions.
 

CallMeJoe

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Maybe he didn't know it, but maybe he did. I don't think that he's alone in thinking that a Supreme Court judge should have sat on a bench before. Just because there have been others doesn't necessarily justify it.
John Marshall not enough?

John Rutledge
John Jay
Charles Evans Hughes
Louis Brandeis
Felix Frankfurter
Harlan Stone
William O. Douglas
Earl Warren
Abe Fortas
William Rehnquist

A damned distinguished list of "unqualified" Justices. There were a lot more...
 

ModerateRepZero

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I don't think that he's alone in thinking that a Supreme Court judge should have sat on a bench before. Just because there have been others doesn't necessarily justify it.

It doesn't disqualify them either. As people have pointed out, it is hardly an anomaly that someone with no judicial experience has become a Supreme Court judge....ie Rehnquist. The lack of experience hasn't hindered Rehnquist's SCOTUS career.

I seem to recall in fact that a few Court justices had no legal background period. Now *that* would be worrisome only because the legal regulations, importance of SCOTUS, etc. have changed dramatically since the 1800s.

Making changes to the constitution has NOTHING to do with activist judges. It's the PROPER way to change the laws of the land. Activist judges create new laws with their rulings instead of following the ones already on the books.

That's your opinion. I happen to believe that an activist judge

1) seeks expansive rulings, especially when a more narrower, pragmatic opinion would have sufficed

2) rules based on their political preferences, irregardless of the law or the facts of the case

3) habitually overturns precedent and/or declares laws unconstitutional

in short, activism = unnecessarily broad, sweeping rulings, political/personal basis for judicial rulings, and consistently overturning precedent and/or declaring laws "unconstitutional".

this doesn't necessarily mean that a "new law" is activist, especially if previous rulings are non-existent, ambiguous, or contradictory. were judges upholding "separate but equal" doctrine activist considering 14th amendment's "equal protection" clause because treating people separately by race isn't equal? were judges striking down "separate but equal" activist because they overrode separate but equal even though the separate doctrine was discriminatory and against the equal protection clause?

the mere fact that precedent was overturned or a law was declared unconstitutional does not in and of itself denote "activism"
 

Jhhnn

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Righties are just tweaked because it was Obama's right as POTUS to nominate who he pleased. They hate the fact that he won, hate the fact that their team screwed up so miserably that he could.

In their estimation, whatever he does will be wrong, simply because he's doing it.
 

Craig234

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Righties are just tweaked because it was Obama's right as POTUS to nominate who he pleased. They hate the fact that he won, hate the fact that their team screwed up so miserably that he could.

In their estimation, whatever he does will be wrong, simply because he's doing it.

Isn't it a bit funny, that they will oppose corporatist policies, if he does them? Suddenly they're grass roots 'jealous populists' against him.

Yo can't get them to say the corporatism is corrupt much unless he does it - otherwise it's 'the free market', but if he does it 'the corporations own him'.

Maybe that's the way to get corporatism reigned in - put it up as an anti-Obama bill.

Or, put up a bill to make the country communist, and say Obama's against it. They'll vote yes.