Keeping the Government funded 2017 edition

[K1052]

I think at this point the Dems have shown that they will not really hold the line. If the Repubs push it far enough Dems will fold to keep the government from shutting down. It seems that too many Democrats believe that it is better to keep the government running than to get some concessions for this tactic to work.

They need the House conservatives to revolt to really generate maximum leverage. They were not happy about this CR, will be much less happy about the next one, and will be batshit about whatever spending deal is reached for 2018. Then the Dems can ask for more stuff.

 

[Brainonska511]

Point is it's usually the Deficit Hawks that shut it down but they tend to be to ones who complain the most about troops not getting paid or veterans not getting paid or the Military needs more funding while everything is shut down.
In my opinion the Deficit Hawks have many good points it's just their delivery is very self serving and they are close to impossible to compromise with. Keeping the Government open is a by product of what the founding fathers wanted. Different groups coming to a compromise all can be satisfied with

Those so-called 'deficit hawks' are just clowns - they had no problem passing a $1.5 trillion deficit-driving tax cut through Congress. They can't have it both ways: complaining about the deficit while simultaneously taking actions to drive it up.

 

[zinfamous]

Over 75-80% of the population agrees that DACA recipients should either be given a path to citizenship or permanent legal status that lets them remain. Rs stonewalling on a deal isn't a good look for the midterms.

The campaigns write themselves.

Republicans: You can't trust us to keep our deals, but you can trust us to endorse pedophiles and rapists! Vote GOP!

 

[SMOGZINN]

They need the House conservatives to revolt to really generate maximum leverage. They were not happy about this CR, will be much less happy about the next one, and will be batshit about whatever spending deal is reached for 2018. Then the Dems can ask for more stuff.

I am not sure that is going to work. Even the House conservatives will probably accept a basic CR holding the spending to current levels, which is probably what we are going to get. The Democrats needed to hold out for something, to let the Republicans know that if they want to keep stretching this out with short term CRs then they are going to pay for each one. That, more than anything else, would have sowed discord in the ranks of the Republicans. Trump would have lost his shit, the deficit hawks would be demanding that we pass a long term bill, and Democrats could happy sit back and demand the moon to get it done.

They could still take up this tactic for the next one, but this was the perfect time to strike, while Republicans are still arguing with each other about the Tax bill, and feeling pressure to get something done. Closing down the Government now would have thrown a spanner in all their plans to end the year with a win, and that would have made a number of them desperate.

 

[Jhhnn]

I am not sure that is going to work. Even the House conservatives will probably accept a basic CR holding the spending to current levels, which is probably what we are going to get. The Democrats needed to hold out for something, to let the Republicans know that if they want to keep stretching this out with short term CRs then they are going to pay for each one. That, more than anything else, would have sowed discord in the ranks of the Republicans. Trump would have lost his shit, the deficit hawks would be demanding that we pass a long term bill, and Democrats could happy sit back and demand the moon to get it done.

They could still take up this tactic for the next one, but this was the perfect time to strike, while Republicans are still arguing with each other about the Tax bill, and feeling pressure to get something done. Closing down the Government now would have thrown a spanner in all their plans to end the year with a win, and that would have made a number of them desperate.

The current resolution goes until the 22nd, so Repubs can still shutdown the govt for Christmas.

 

[K1052]

I am not sure that is going to work. Even the House conservatives will probably accept a basic CR holding the spending to current levels, which is probably what we are going to get. The Democrats needed to hold out for something, to let the Republicans know that if they want to keep stretching this out with short term CRs then they are going to pay for each one. That, more than anything else, would have sowed discord in the ranks of the Republicans. Trump would have lost his shit, the deficit hawks would be demanding that we pass a long term bill, and Democrats could happy sit back and demand the moon to get it done.

They could still take up this tactic for the next one, but this was the perfect time to strike, while Republicans are still arguing with each other about the Tax bill, and feeling pressure to get something done. Closing down the Government now would have thrown a spanner in all their plans to end the year with a win, and that would have made a number of them desperate.

Judging by what I'm seeing any claim of "accord" between many of the Republicans would seem to be an exaggeration. Conservatives are not going to simply pass a series of 2 week extensions forever and are going to hate whatever deal the leadership works out with WH and Dems on 2018 spending. Let them shit in the pool and the Dems be the only ones holding the chlorine.

The tax bill isn't a close to done deal now that some of the bargains made to pass may not be honored. Going to be a lot harder to bullshit Senators before the final vote.