Keeping the Government funded 2017 edition

[IronWing]

Make sure Trump and his cronies go unpaid if they shut the government down.

No can do. Trump and all Senate confirmed appointees get paid regardless of a shutdown. It's a quirk of the separation of powers doctrine (a doctrine that the Republicans really hate, I might add).

 

[snoopy7548]

No can do. Trump and all Senate confirmed appointees get paid regardless of a shutdown. It's a quirk of the separation of powers doctrine (a doctrine that the Republicans really hate, I might add).

Really? You're telling me I can legally accept bribes... I mean, donations... be a total shithead, get absolutely nothing done, and when my workplace shuts down because of how horrible my co-workers and I are, I still get paid?! And I'm even guaranteed a job after the shutdown ends? With full health insurance?! I'm in the wrong line of work.

There really needs to be term limits.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Really? You're telling me I can legally accept bribes... I mean, donations... be a total shithead, get absolutely nothing done, and when my workplace shuts down because of how horrible my co-workers and I are, I still get paid?! And I'm even guaranteed a job after the shutdown ends? With full health insurance?! I'm in the wrong line of work.

There really needs to be term limits.

I *think* it's more of a break thing, like one party/branch can't say FU I want you out so I'll cut all your pay & benefits

 

[IronWing]

Really? You're telling me I can legally accept bribes... I mean, donations... be a total shithead, get absolutely nothing done, and when my workplace shuts down because of how horrible my co-workers and I are, I still get paid?! And I'm even guaranteed a job after the shutdown ends? With full health insurance?! I'm in the wrong line of work.

There really needs to be term limits.

You got it. The salary of the President, VP, and the Senate confirmed appointees can't be reduced or abolished by act of Congress or lack of action by Congress. This is designed to keep Congress from punishing executive branch politicos they disagree with.

 

[K1052]

Dump Truck has weighed in on the looming shutdown:

 

[shortylickens]

Haha

https://twitter.com/NancyPelosi/status/935621519820062720

SAD!!

 

[Jhhnn]

Dump Truck has weighed in on the looming shutdown:

Trump conflates the budget & immigration for the Win! with his base. Picking at that emotional sore spot. Damned if they won't buy it, too.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Dump Truck has weighed in on the looming shutdown:

I love this logic, while my party controls everything it's the weak democrats that a preventing a decision

 

[zinfamous]

I love this logic, while my party controls everything it's the weak democrats that a preventing a decision

People like Trump are only ever effective when the people you command are willfully ignorant and/or contentedly stupid.

 

[pcgeek11]

This never happens when there is a Democrat controlling the strings.....


/sarcasm

LOL. Both parties do this crap all the time. Look at the past history.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This never happens when there is a Democrat controlling the strings.....


/sarcasm

LOL. Both parties do this crap all the time. Look at the past history.

Difference about now is Rs control all the strings and should be fully capable of doing it themselves
But I kind of agree it's nice that some compromises will need to be made
Which highlights that since the President can't order it he needs agreement and sending a tweet out insulting the people you need an agreement with is poor planning.

 

[IronWing]

This never happens when there is a Democrat controlling the strings.....


/sarcasm

LOL. Both parties do this crap all the time. Look at the past history.

When did the government get shutdown when Dems controlled Congress (the strings)? Newt shut down the government in the '90s and the Freedom Caucus shut it down last time. Throwing a hissy fit and shutting down the government is a conservative Republican specialty. Republicans love to waste taxpayer money of these theatrics.

 

[pcgeek11]

They all have a hand in it. If you cannot see that then you are blind.

 

[IronWing]

They all have a hand in it. If you cannot see that then you are blind.

No, government shutdowns have been 100% Republican caused. Republican demands for political power all out of proportion to their numbers is what led to shutdowns.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

They all have a hand in it. If you cannot see that then you are blind.

Point is it's usually the Deficit Hawks that shut it down but they tend to be to ones who complain the most about troops not getting paid or veterans not getting paid or the Military needs more funding while everything is shut down.
In my opinion the Deficit Hawks have many good points it's just their delivery is very self serving and they are close to impossible to compromise with. Keeping the Government open is a by product of what the founding fathers wanted. Different groups coming to a compromise all can be satisfied with
Back to current times: if the Republicans have a broad enough base with interests that overlap they should be able to keep the Government funded without Democrats help. They could also choose to give a little so Democrats feel they got something out of the compromise and easily do it. This is a test of the current Republican Party to see if it can gain a consensus large enough to get stuff done.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Back to current times: if the Republicans have a broad enough base with interests that overlap they should be able to keep the Government funded without Democrats help. They could also choose to give a little so Democrats feel they got something out of the compromise and easily do it. This is a test of the current Republican Party to see if it can gain a consensus large enough to get stuff done.

The Republicans need at least 8 Democrat votes to keep the government running. That means that they have to make some compromise, somewhere. This is the problem, and why it is the Republicans that are continually to blame for shutting down the government. The Republicans have so many extremists in their party that making any compromise loses some Republican votes, which means they need more Democrat votes, which means they have to make more compromises, which means they lose more Republican votes.... and that just keeps going until either they deadlock or the Democrats decide they are satisfied.

So, remember that each time we get a continuing resolution or budget it is because the Democrats decided to put the needs of the government ahead of their own platform, because they could just keep wringing the Republicans out for more and more compromises. Eventually they Repubs would have to give it to them or get nothing done.

Personally, I think the Democrats are being too lenient. They should be holding the line for at least the three big issues right now: CHIP, DACA, and ACA Subsidies.

 

[K1052]

Per the reporters I follow on Twitter the GOP still has no deal with itself to move a CR out of the House. Let alone something palatable to the 8 Dem votes they need in the Senate. Quality legislating in action.

 

[K1052]

Pelosi saying that no D votes will be supplied for 2 week CR.

Draws DACA line in the sand on funding agreement.

 

[Jhhnn]

Pelosi saying that no D votes will be supplied for 2 week CR.

Draws DACA line in the sand on funding agreement.

Decent Americans recognize that the DACA is the right thing to do. OTOH, refusing to make honest & decent compromise wrt immigration keeps the base nicely irrational & voting for the old trickle down, every time.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Pelosi saying that no D votes will be supplied for 2 week CR.

Draws DACA line in the sand on funding agreement.

Good, I would rather them draw the line on the ACA subsidies, but at least they are asking for something.

 

[K1052]

Decent Americans recognize that the DACA is the right thing to do. OTOH, refusing to make honest & decent compromise wrt immigration keeps the base nicely irrational & voting for the old trickle down, every time.

Over 75-80% of the population agrees that DACA recipients should either be given a path to citizenship or permanent legal status that lets them remain. Rs stonewalling on a deal isn't a good look for the midterms.

 

[K1052]

Good, I would rather them draw the line on the ACA subsidies, but at least they are asking for something.

Let the GOP deliver that to lawmakers in their own party they've promised it to in exchange for tax votes (like Collins).

 

[Engineer]

Stopgap passed...until December 22nd to avoid Friday shutdown.

Congress passes bill to temporarily fund government, avert shutdown
Reuters 23 minutes ago

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Congress, rushing to beat a Friday midnight deadline, on Thursday passed legislation funding the government through Dec. 22.

By a vote of 235-193, the House of Representatives passed the bill and rapidly sent it to the Senate, which then approved it 81-14, sending it to President Donald Trump for signing into law.

While a Saturday shutdown of government agencies was averted, Congress and Trump will now have to come up with a deal to keep the government operating beyond Dec. 22.

(Reporting by Richard Cowan; Editing by David Alexander)

 

[K1052]

They should just fund the government in two week increments forever. That would be fun.

Most of the speculation points to an eventual showdown between conservative elements and the house leadership. They'll need D votes to set 2018 spending levels, which conservatives won't like, thus they need a deal. Looking like DACA is what the dems want most so far.

 

[SMOGZINN]

They should just fund the government in two week increments forever. That would be fun.

Most of the speculation points to an eventual showdown between conservative elements and the house leadership. They'll need D votes to set 2018 spending levels, which conservatives won't like, thus they need a deal. Looking like DACA is what the dems want most so far.

I think at this point the Dems have shown that they will not really hold the line. If the Repubs push it far enough Dems will fold to keep the government from shutting down. It seems that too many Democrats believe that it is better to keep the government running than to get some concessions for this tactic to work.