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Keep your oil, Hugo Chavez! WTF!!!

compuwiz1

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Shouldn't we (USA) be providing this aide?

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- In Alaska's native villages, the punishing winter cold is already penetrating the walls of the lightly insulated plywood homes, many of the villagers are desperately poor, and heating-oil prices are among the highest in the nation.

And yet a few of the small communities want to refuse free heating oil from Venezuela, on the patriotic principle that no foreigner has the right to call their president "the devil."

The heating oil is being offered by the petroleum company controlled by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, President Bush's nemesis. While scores of Alaska's Eskimo and Indian villages say they have no choice but to accept, others would rather suffer.

"As a citizen of this country, you can have your own opinion of our president and our country. But I don't want a foreigner coming in here and bashing us," said Justine Gunderson, administrator for the tribal council in the Aleut village of Nelson Lagoon. "Even though we're in economically dire straits, it was the right choice to make."

Nelson Lagoon residents pay more than $5 a gallon for oil -- or at least $300 a month per household -- to heat their homes along the wind-swept coast of the Bering Sea, where temperatures can dip to minus-15. About one-quarter of the 70 villagers are looking for work, in part because Alaska's salmon fishing industry has been hit hard by competition from fish farms.

The donation to Alaska's native villages has focused attention on the rampant poverty and high fuel prices in a state that is otherwise awash in oil -- and oil profits. In 2005, 86 percent of the Alaska's general fund, or $2.8 billion, came from oil from the North Slope.

The Aleutian Pribilof Islands Association, a native nonprofit organization that would have handled the heating oil donation on behalf of 291 households in Nelson Lagoon, Atka, St. Paul and St. George, rejected the offer because of the insults Chavez has hurled at Bush.

Chavez called Bush "the devil" in a speech to the United Nations last month. He has also called the president a terrorist and denounced the war in Iraq.(Watch former President Bush call Chavez "an ass" -- 2:10)

Dimitri Philemonof, president and chief executive of the association, said accepting the aid would be "compromising ourselves." "I think we have some duty to our country, and I think it's loyalty," he said.

Over the past two years, Citgo, the Venezuelan government's Texas-based oil subsidiary, has given millions of gallons of discounted heating oil to the poor in several states and cities -- including New York, Connecticut, Vermont, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and Maine -- in what is widely seen as an effort by Chavez to embarrass and irritate the U.S. government and make himself look good.

Maine Gov. John Baldacci, who approved an agreement last winter to buy discounted oil, said he had no plans this year to seek a similar arrangement. In Boston, Massachusetts, a City Council member wants a landmark Citgo sign near Fenway Park taken down and replaced with an American flag. In Florida, a lawmaker asked the state to cancel Citgo's exclusive contract to sell fuel at turnpike service stations.

About 150 native villages in Alaska have accepted money for heating oil from Citgo. The oil company does not operate in Alaska, so instead of sending oil, it is donating about $5.3 million to native nonprofit organizations to buy 100 gallons this winter for each of more than 12,000 households.

"When you have a dire need and it is a matter of survival for your people, it doesn't matter where, what country, the gift or donation comes from," said Virginia Commack, an elder in the arctic village of Ambler, an impoverished Eskimo community of 280 where residents are paying $7.25 a gallon for fuel.

For years, Alaska natives have accused the state and federal governments of sending too little money to their tiny, far-flung communities, where fuel and grocery prices are bloated by the high costs of delivery by plane and barge.

An editorial last month in the Anchorage Daily News bashed the Legislature's rejection in March of an $8.8 million state supplement to a federal program that helps poor Alaskans with home heating costs.

"It's embarrassing that residents in a state with so much oil wealth should be looking to a foreign nation for help," the newspaper said. "It's hard to blame villagers for accepting the gift."

A spokesman for Gov. Frank Murkowski, John Manly, said the governor believes Chavez's donation is a ploy to undermine Americans' faith in their government. But he said it is up to each village to make its own decision.

"It seems like a very strange irony that we produce the oil and yet every year there seems to be a chronic problem in getting the fuel to people that need it," Manly said.

Joan Eddy, principal and teacher at Nelson Lagoon's school, said most buildings in town were erected 30 to 40 years ago, which makes them pretty old, considering how they get battered by the constant 20-25 mph wind coming off the ocean. Their heating systems are aging, too.

She noted the fuel barge is late arriving this year, and said residents are turning on their furnaces for only a few hours in the morning and at night.

"We're conserving as much as we can because we are concerned. It looks like it's going to be a snowy winter and cold," she said.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

I'm dumbfounded by this one. We can go to war, and spend billions, but we can't keep our own warm? WTF? This makes me really, really mad!!! :|
 
Originally posted by: compuwiz1

And yet a few of the small communities want to refuse free heating oil from Venezuela, on the patriotic principle that no foreigner has the right to call their president "the devil."

"As a citizen of this country, you can have your own opinion of our president and our country. But I don't want a foreigner coming in here and bashing us," said Justine Gunderson, administrator for the tribal council in the Aleut village of Nelson Lagoon. "Even though we're in economically dire straits, it was the right choice to make."

Ah yes, the Bushwacko mentality...nobody had better DARE insult us, but it's our god given right to call everyone else (rogue nations, Democrats, Bush non-supporters, etc etc) every name in the book.

Apparently another group who simply don't see the hypocrisy.
 
He's not 'bashing them', he's bashing Bush. Of course we all know that, and we know that when an American citizen says the same thing, the story changes to 'you're unpatriotic'.

Anyone who thins that foreign citizens owe their blind support to America's president is probably irretrievably brainwashed or stupid.
 
First off, there are plenty of local and federal assistance programs for electricity and natural gas. That said, Chavez readily admits that he pushes these very, very low cost programs to feed public dissent of American politics.

Additionally, in a free society, this is nothing but another government handout. Do we start providing people with free or reduced gas for their vehicles, since many have said the prices have become unaffordable?

 
Just send Danny Glover up there to deliver the oil, he's such a great spokesman for the Chavez lifestyle.
 
Originally posted by: catnap1972
Originally posted by: compuwiz1

And yet a few of the small communities want to refuse free heating oil from Venezuela, on the patriotic principle that no foreigner has the right to call their president "the devil."

"As a citizen of this country, you can have your own opinion of our president and our country. But I don't want a foreigner coming in here and bashing us," said Justine Gunderson, administrator for the tribal council in the Aleut village of Nelson Lagoon. "Even though we're in economically dire straits, it was the right choice to make."

Ah yes, the Bushwacko mentality...nobody had better DARE insult us, but it's our god given right to call everyone else (rogue nations, Democrats, Bush non-supporters, etc etc) every name in the book.

Apparently another group who simply don't see the hypocrisy.

Apparently the Democratic leaders who condemned Chavez for his comments must be "Bushwacko"s too...

Stepping onto our soil and acting the way he did pissed off a lot of people. It is very bad diplomatic form and something even our dipomatically challanged president hasn't done.
 
Come on, what he said was hilarious. The entire way he said it, brilliant, if you agree with him or not.
The rocks on that man must be comparable to morningstars!
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
Just send Danny Glover up there to deliver the oil, he's such a great spokesman for the Chavez lifestyle.

Great idea! :laugh:

Perhaps Belafonte can assist him.
 
Originally posted by: CPA
First off, there are plenty of local and federal assistance programs for electricity and natural gas. That said, Chavez readily admits that he pushes these very, very low cost programs to feed public dissent of American politics.

Additionally, in a free society, this is nothing but another government handout. Do we start providing people with free or reduced gas for their vehicles, since many have said the prices have become unaffordable?
1) Fuel/energy assistance programs have kept pace with neither inflation nor demand.

2) You cannot feed something that isn't hungry. Anyone that's unsatisfied with the current cost/burden of energy prices doesn't need Hurricane Hugo to remind them of it. IIRC, most polling shows general discontent with energy prices.

3) Alaska already has a government handout program funded by oil revenue.

4) The US government has always subsidized gasoline by not extracting through taxes the full cost of building roads, defending access in the Gulf countries, and toll on the environment.

 
Originally posted by: CPA
First off, there are plenty of local and federal assistance programs for electricity and natural gas. That said, Chavez readily admits that he pushes these very, very low cost programs to feed public dissent of American politics.

Additionally, in a free society, this is nothing but another government handout. Do we start providing people with free or reduced gas for their vehicles, since many have said the prices have become unaffordable?

Exactly, get your ass on the wheel and your nose to the stone. Keep up or die. Faster and faster. Have more kids and put them to work or build yourself a God Damned Igloo.
 
People seem dense to the fact that this is a tribal village in the middle of nowhere. Of course fuel is going to cost more. The price of fuel includes the cost of transporting it.

Plus... why do people say the federal government should be giving them oil? Did we forget about Alaska? Some of you are so quick to yell "state's rights" but become silent when it comes to "state's responsibilities"
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Funny how this was never a problem until Chavez started throwing free oil around.

Yeah.... It will be nice to see him lose the election. The main opposition leader is basically running on a platform of "Chavez is pissing away our oil by giving it away for free or extremely reduced prices."
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Funny how this was never a problem until Chavez started throwing free oil around.

How can Alaskan Oil Companies justify these prices they charge to the people of Alaska.. 🙁

 
I think it is funny how everyone got so upset.. WHY? >> Because the TRUTH HURTS

Chavez has not stolen anywhere near the amount MR Bush has from US.. $400,000,000,000 .. :laugh: :laugh: and people still defend him like he was their deranged old uncle
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Funny how this was never a problem until Chavez started throwing free oil around.

How can Alaskan Oil Companies justify these prices they charge to the people of Alaska.. 🙁

I didn't realize that BP, Chevron and Phillips were Alaskan companies. 😕

That said, if Chavez had offered me free oil I would have taken it. I'll take freebies from the prick all day long. It's not like he can make me do favors for him or his country.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Funny how this was never a problem until Chavez started throwing free oil around.

How can Alaskan Oil Companies justify these prices they charge to the people of Alaska.. 🙁

I didn't realize that BP, Chevron and Phillips were Alaskan companies. 😕

How much oil do they take out of the Alaskan soil everyday?
 
Am I supposed to be mad some idiot is willing to give away oil well below market prices to people in Alaska as his own people live in poverty?
 
Originally posted by: CPA
Additionally, in a free society, this is nothing but another government handout. Do we start providing people with free or reduced gas for their vehicles, since many have said the prices have become unaffordable?

So how the hell do Republican dominated states, such as the South/Midwest get so many crop subsidies worth billions. Yet the people in the oil-producing state of Alaska don't even get subsidized oil? I mean, come on, $5-7 a gallon of oil?

Originally posted by: Genx87
Am I supposed to be mad some idiot is willing to give away oil well below market prices to people in Alaska as his own people live in poverty?

They live in poverty, if you calculate GDP compared to the USA, but their relative standard is decently high. For instance, a gallon of gas in Venezuela costs somewhere between 10-15 cents per gallon. On average, they are more than self-sufficient and most people do not live in poverty (aka cannot keep warm/shelter/feed themselves). Thats why Chavez is so popular domestically. You can have fledgling capitalist democracies in Iraq/Afghanistan, supposedly, but they are unstable countries and the majority of the people live in fear/poverty/hunger. Just by looking at GDP and economic style doesn't mean squat for standard of living.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Am I supposed to be mad some idiot is willing to give away oil well below market prices to people in Alaska as his own people live in poverty?


It's not about right or wrong, as with many two-bits dictators, it's all about lookin' good.
 
Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: CPA
Additionally, in a free society, this is nothing but another government handout. Do we start providing people with free or reduced gas for their vehicles, since many have said the prices have become unaffordable?

So how the hell do Republican dominated states, such as the South/Midwest get so many crop subsidies worth billions. Yet the people in the oil-producing state of Alaska don't even get subsidized oil? I mean, come on, $5-7 a gallon of oil?

Every citizen of Alaska gets a royalty check for the oil pumped. I believe some of these run into the thousands of dollars per resident.
 
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