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KDS can go ahead a smoke my....well. Yeah.

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RyanM

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Okay, so here's the situation.

I've got a KDS 19" AV-19TF that I purchased summer of 2001. Last summer, from out of nowhere, the monitor began to fuzz - And by that, I mean that there was a 7" circle oval in the middle of the monitor where the pixels weren't converging correctly, making it fuzzier than hell. The level of fuzz dimished slowly until there was none left in a 2" square around the edges of the monitor.

Yeah, fun stuff. Aside from having me do all my web browsing on the 15" secondary monitor, it also severely impedes my graphics design work. I can still do it, but not as efficiently as I'd like.

Anyways, I called for an RMA, it went smoothly, but then in October, same problem. RMA again. 1 week later, same problem. RMA again. I'm now on my fourth one, and less than a month later, it was fuzzing out.

I haven't had the time or the desire to bother calling them for another RMA. It has a 3 year warranty, so I'm golden if I get fed up, but I'm sick and tired of recieving remanufactured monitors which subsequently crap out.

The biggest problem is, there are VERY few 19" monitors than can hit 1920 x 1440 @ 75 Hz - Something this monitor actually can, when it's working correctly. A resolution this high is necessary for the high-resolution image editing I do. 1600x1200 is barely adequate.

So, the question is - Do you guys know of any QUALITY flat-screen CRT monitors that can hit that resolution? All the monitors I look at these days in the 19" range are always 1600x1200 at no more than 60 to 75 Hz, which just isn't adequate.
 
They offered to, but I said no, I bought a 19" monitor capable of running an insane resolution, so they better damn well replace it with one.

I've attempted to get the MaximumPC watchdog to attack them to get some leverage out of them, in hopes they might just cover the purchase price of a monitor that meets the specs this monitor was advertised to do, but MPC hasn't responded yet.

So as of now, I'm SOL, unless I want another monitor guaranteed to break in between 1 to 16 weeks.
 
Originally posted by: MachFive
They offered to, but I said no, I bought a 19" monitor capable of running an insane resolution, so they better damn well replace it with one. I've attempted to get the MaximumPC watchdog to attack them to get some leverage out of them, in hopes they might just cover the purchase price of a monitor that meets the specs this monitor was advertised to do, but MPC hasn't responded yet. So as of now, I'm SOL, unless I want another monitor guaranteed to break in between 1 to 16 weeks.
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What I was really getting at was that you could take the 17" LCD and sell it. Then buy a new 19".
 
How much do you think I could possibly get for a 17" KDS LCD?

Any people willing to guarantee they'll buy one if I go ahead with the RMA?
 
Originally posted by: MachFive
How much do you think I could possibly get for a 17" KDS LCD? Any people willing to guarantee they'll buy one if I go ahead with the RMA?
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Cheapest I saw on pricewatch was $391 + shipping.
 
Holy sh!t. Wow. Ummm...hrm. I'm gonna have to look into that. I might have to throw down an extra $100 to get a quality 19" monitor, but hot damn. That would definitely be a way out of this RMA cycle.

You think $350 + shipping seems a reasonable price to ask?
 
Originally posted by: MachFive
Holy sh!t. Wow. Ummm...hrm. I'm gonna have to look into that. I might have to throw down an extra $100 to get a quality 19" monitor, but hot damn. That would definitely be a way out of this RMA cycle.

You think $350 + shipping seems a reasonable price to ask?
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Yes. Depends on the model though.
 
Well, the lowest-end model they have seems to retail anywhere from 390 to 450.

I'm gonna see if I can pull the "angry customer" angle and talk my way into a Rad-9p. Then I can eBay it for 500 or more and pick up an Iiyama PM 454 and perhaps an additional 17" monitor to replace this 14" I use as my second display.

It'll be sad to see this 14" go though. The damn thing does higher resolutions at higher refresh rates than some of the goddamn 17" monitors out there these days.

Is it just me, or has the quality of CRTs degraded over the past 2 years?
 
Any recommendations on where to buy it? Newegg only carries the P95F+, and at $300.

I'm a bit iffy on the P95F, after the reviews that I've read. The USB hub on the Iiyama is a plus, but not a necessity, and saving a few bucks while getting equal quality would be a plus. Any reviews you know of that might sway me one way or the other? I've already seen the one on Tom's, btw.

Thanks!
 
Originally posted by: MachFive
Any recommendations on where to buy it? Newegg only carries the P95F+, and at $300.

I'm a bit iffy on the P95F, after the reviews that I've read. The USB hub on the Iiyama is a plus, but not a necessity, and saving a few bucks while getting equal quality would be a plus. Any reviews you know of that might sway me one way or the other? I've already seen the one on Tom's, btw.

Thanks!
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What have the reviews said that is negative?

I really like the monitor. I did upgrade from a 15", but I still think that the picture is pretty good compared to other 19" monitors I've seen. EMS Computing has it for $265 with free shipping. I paid $360 plus shipping a year ago. I think that the + has a USB hub, but I'm not sure.

Reviews:
PC Stats Editors Choice Award
Neoseeker.com
 
Originally posted by: MachFive
Okay, so here's the situation.

So, the question is - Do you guys know of any QUALITY flat-screen CRT monitors that can hit that resolution? All the monitors I look at these days in the 19" range are always 1600x1200 at no more than 60 to 75 Hz, which just isn't adequate.
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I know the NEC monitors are close to that. Here are a few models:

19" monitors
1) FP912SB ---> 1920x1440 @ 73Hz
2) FE990 ---> 1792 X 1344 @ 68 Hz
3) FE991SB ---> 1792 X 1344 @ 68 Hz

21" monitors
1) FE2111SB ---> 1920 x 1440 @ 75 Hz
2) FE1250+BK ---> 1920 X 1440 @ 72 Hz
3) FP2141SB-BK ---> 2048 x 1536 @ 85 Hz (this is an awesome spec)



 
My AV-19TF went bad (completely burned out) and they sent me a 21se to replace it. Id guess this was over a year ago.

If you keep getting bad AV-19TFs, and they keep trying to offer you something else, Im guessing they dont have anymore new ones, and are trying to clear those out of people's houses because of problems. Every manufacturer has some sort of problematic part at some point, and its not their fault you keep setting yourself up for disaster. Go ahead and pick up the LCD, sell it, and buy a 21" CRT for that price.
 
Originally posted by: jagr10
Originally posted by: MachFive
Okay, so here's the situation.

So, the question is - Do you guys know of any QUALITY flat-screen CRT monitors that can hit that resolution? All the monitors I look at these days in the 19" range are always 1600x1200 at no more than 60 to 75 Hz, which just isn't adequate.
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I know the NEC monitors are close to that. Here are a few models:

19" monitors
1) FP912SB ---> 1920x1440 @ 73Hz
2) FE990 ---> 1792 X 1344 @ 68 Hz
3) FE991SB ---> 1792 X 1344 @ 68 Hz

21" monitors
1) FE2111SB ---> 1920 x 1440 @ 75 Hz
2) FE1250+BK ---> 1920 X 1440 @ 72 Hz
3) FP2141SB-BK ---> 2048 x 1536 @ 85 Hz (this is an awesome spec)
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I had nothin' but lovin' from NEC monitors so I'll 2nd the recommendation.
 
Since this started as a KDS thread, thought you might like to read an press release on KDS.

Cornea Technology, the parent company of leading U.S. flat-panel display
manufacturer, Cornea Systems, today announced the acquisition of KDS
Korea. Cornea Technology will leverage certain strategic assets of the
company to increase the quality and volume production of its TFT-LCD and
LCD TV displays.

A major producer of display technologies in Asia, KDS Korea possesses a
state-of-the-art, fully automated manufacturing facility, capable of
producing 150,000 LCD displays per month. The acquisition of this
facility will enable Cornea Technology to deliver higher quality display
systems to its customers more quickly and at a lower price. Cornea
Technology will also be able to service larger, global accounts that
require sizeable quantities of products, delivered at a rapid pace.

S.S. Shin, the current president of Cornea Technology, will expand his
role in the company by also serving as the president of KDS Korea.
Songchul Choi, former vice president of Hydis, a display manufacturer
and subsidiary of Hyundai, has been appointed as the COO of KDS Korea.
With upper management appointments already in place, Cornea Technology
is poised to deploy KDS Korea's resources immediately.

"The global demand for Cornea Technology's cutting-edge flat-panel
display solutions has been growing steadily, underscoring the value and
reliability we provide to our customers," said S. S. Shin, president of
Cornea Technology and KDS Korea. "The acquisition of KDS Korea will
allow us to expand our already growing business and raise the bar on the
quality and innovation customers come to expect of our TFT-LCD and
plasma displays."

Cornea Technology distributes its products worldwide via several global
subsidiaries, all of which will benefit from the acquisition. Cornea
Systems, the U.S. subsidiary of Cornea Technology, will now posses a
competitive advantage due to its ability to bring the latest in display
innovation and technology to market more rapidly and at a lower cost.

"The primary focus of Cornea Systems is its customers -- we want to
provide them with high-performance, affordable monitors that they can
rely on. Cornea Technology's new relationship with KDS Korea will enable
us to exceed our customers' expectations and stay ahead of the market by
providing next-generation products to customers' desktops, today," said
Young Yoo, general manager of Cornea Systems.

Cornea Technology's acquisition of KDS Korea, valued at $60 million, was
approved by the Korea District Court on Feb. 6, 2003. Cornea Technology
is the largest private investor in KDS Korea, holding 20 percent of its
shares. As part of the new relationship, Cornea Technology will engage
in discussions with KDS USA to resolve the legal rights and liabilities
related to its affiliation with KDS Korea.

About Cornea Systems
Headquartered in San Jose, Calif., Cornea Systems is a privately owned
subsidiary of Cornea Technology, a leading manufacturer of TFT-LCD and
plasma displays, located in Seoul, Korea. With innovative style and
unmatched quality, Cornea Systems delivers the future of display
technologies to today's desktop at an exceptional price. Cornea Systems
maintains sales and support offices in Japan, Germany and the United
States. For more information on Cornea Systems, visit the company's Web
site at http://www.corneasystems.com or call 800/681-6155.
 
Hey Jim, you're the man when it comes to monitors, how do you rate NEC's? Would you mind sharing any fab info such as who's parts they use ect.? Thanx for any info you choose to share 🙂
 
I make it a point not to give recommendations in the public forums, its against the rules of most forums. If you want my recommendation feel free to drop me a note jim@monitorsdirect.com

Honestly I?m not that familiar with the details of NEC products. What I will say is that NEC is a well-respected manufacture with a good reputation in the industry.

Finding a 19 inch that does 1600 x 1200 at 85Hz is getting tough these days and will get tougher. Most people find that such a high resolution on a small monitor is difficult to read. Many models have been discontinued because of this. For example: Sony has announced they are getting out of the 17 ? 19 inch CRT business.
 


I had the same KDS FD Trinitron monitor, and it lost it's focus. They sent me a RAD-7, it is ok but not stellar. No DVI input, and the black to greyscale is pitiful. I am going to use this for a second monitor. With all the dot coms that have died recently there is a glut of 21' FD Trinitrons on the market refurbished. I am going to get one of those for my new main monitor.
 
Yeah, the focus problem is the same issue I had with the 4 I've had.

It's rediculous.

I just got off the horn with KDS. Talked to the guy's manager and everything. No go on the 9P, but I will be getting a brand-new (not refurbished) RAD-7xp shipped to me, with an airbill to send the old one back.

Now. The question is whether or not to f*ck around with eBay, or if I should just try to find a buyer local. Mwave has it for 385 shipped, which means I'd have to start the bidding at around 250 or 300 on eBay. I'd easily be able to sell it for 400 if I did it locally, but I don't see me finding a buying happening anytime soon.
 
Sorry to here your luck,

Having to pay close to $400 in shipping must have sucked, cause when I RMA my AV-19TF it cost like $85 to ship.

I had power surges going through and kept getting worse and worse, Ive had the new one for apox 1 year and its running good.

Id definatly get the 17" LCD on the fact that your shipping cost will dramitically drop, if you encouter problems.
 
Actually, since each of the subsequent RMAs fell within 90 days of the previous one, I didn't pay a cent in shipping after the first one.

And the one time I did ship it, I think it was like 25 dollars Fedex ground.
 
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