Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

[pcgeek11]

You know what else has consequences...


The 2nd amendment...

OK

 

[IronWing]

There is / was nothing to concede. So you are wrong. I'm not arguing at all. You think it is OK to break the law and I disagree.

Those uppity folks just want to cause trouble.

 

[ecogen]

There is / was nothing to concede. So you are wrong. I'm not arguing at all. You think it is OK to break the law and I disagree.

Another strawman.

I think sometimes it's ok to break the law in order to do what is right.

But you probably thought that the Germans that were illegally hiding Jews to prevent them from being gassed during the Nazi regime were wrong to do so. They were breaking the law after all, right? And that's a big no-no according to you.

Do you have any more nuggets of wisdom that you wish to impart upon us, oh enlightened one?

 

[Paratus]

Some forms of birth control are abortion inducing drugs.

“Abortion pill” is the popular name for using two different medicines to end a pregnancy: mifepristone and misoprostol.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/the-abortion-pill

Birth control is not an abortion.
Birth control prevents conception.
Abortion terminates an established pregnancy

Mifepristone and misoprostol are not birth control. They end a pregnancy.

You are like the poster child for abstinence only education.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why should they ? To make Democrats happy? How about they tell the Democrats go take a flying fvck at a rolling doughnut instead?

I'd approve that message.

Because such document releases are customary when considering confirmation to the SCOTUS. Like always. There's just a lot more information about Kavanaugh than any previous nominee & it hasn't become available to the Senate. Confirmation is a very serious matter considering that Justices often serve 30 years or more. There wasn't any hurry to deal with Garland, was there? Why the hurry now when they'll have time in the lame duck session after the election?

The GOP is just trying to quickly install a stealth ideologue on the court while he still has some camouflage. With only 51 votes, of course.

 

[pcgeek11]

Those uppity folks just want to cause trouble.

I agree with you on this point.

I commend the capital police on getting these assholes arrested and out asap when they disrupt the hearing.

 

[woolfe9998]

There is / was nothing to concede. So you are wrong. I'm not arguing at all. You think it is OK to break the law and I disagree.

So you disagree that an act of civil disobedience could ever be the right thing to do? In Nazi Germany, it was against the law to hide Jews or in any way try to thwart their deportation to the camps. I assume you would be critical of that too?

I think you're taking an extreme position here. You're also mischaracterizing another poster's opinion as thinking it's OK to break the law as a general proposition. Just because you're at an extreme here doesn't mean the other guy is at the opposite extreme.

 

[ecogen]

So you disagree that an act of civil disobedience could ever be the right thing to do? In Nazi Germany, it was against the law to hide Jews or in any way try to thwart their deportation to the camps. I assume you would be critical of that too?

I think you're taking an extreme position here. You're also mischaracterizing another poster's opinion as thinking it's OK to break the law as a general proposition. Just because you're at an extreme here doesn't mean the other guy is at the opposite extreme.

Stop copying my posts, you filthy plagiarizer. Seriously though, we basically posted the exact same thing, you were just a tad later than I was.

 

[Jhhnn]

Some forms of birth control are abortion inducing drugs.

“Abortion pill” is the popular name for using two different medicines to end a pregnancy: mifepristone and misoprostol.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/the-abortion-pill

Those were not the drugs in question. The issue was about daily dose birth control pills. Don't be obtuse, OK?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Kavanaugh's answers are mealy mouthed obfuscation. He says Roe v Wade is settled law yet affirms the ability of the SCOTUS to change it. He won't say "I wouldn't change it" because that would be a lie.

It is settled law. Settled law can also change. He won’t say he won’t change it because that would be inappropriate. Gotcha questions may make for good political theater or further the political ambitions of certain Senators, but that’s about it.

 

[woolfe9998]

Stop copying my posts, you filthy plagiarizer. Seriously though, we basically posted the exact same thing, you were just a tad later than I was.

WTF. I swear I did not see your post and yet you used the exact same example that I did. I had actually considered using the example of Jim Crow laws but settled on the Nazi example instead.

 

[ecogen]

WTF. I swear I did not see your post and yet you used the exact same example that I did. I had actually considered using the example of Jim Crow laws but settled on the Nazi example instead.

Eh it was the first thing that came to mind. I'd like to see the mental gymnastics he'll have to do to justify his stance. It's pretty entertaining watching idiots squirm.

 

[pcgeek11]

Birth control is not an abortion.
Birth control prevents conception.
Abortion terminates an established pregnancy

Mifepristone and misoprostol are not birth control. They end a pregnancy.

You are like the poster child for abstinence only education.

I see your point, as that is the textbook definition of "birth Control".

In my opinion Mifepristone and misoprostol are a form of birth control. As they prevent a birth or controlling the birth by ending the pregnancy.

Not worth arguing about.

BTW, I don't believe in abstinence only education.

 

[pcgeek11]

The GOP is just trying to quickly install a stealth ideologue on the court while he still has some camouflage. With only 51 votes, of course.

Damn that Harry Reid!

 

[jackstar7]

I agree with you on this point.

I commend the capital police on getting these assholes arrested and out asap when they disrupt the hearing.

Authoritarian. Through and through.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Because such document releases are customary when considering confirmation to the SCOTUS. Like always. There's just a lot more information about Kavanaugh than any previous nominee & it hasn't become available to the Senate. Confirmation is a very serious matter considering that Justices often serve 30 years or more. There wasn't any hurry to deal with Garland, was there? Why the hurry now when they'll have time in the lame duck session after the election?

The GOP is just trying to quickly install a stealth ideologue on the court while he still has some camouflage. With only 51 votes, of course.

Again, why should the Republicans go out of their way to provide Democrats with anything they don't have to provide by law? Why do anything at all to help and not hinder their political opponents?

Screw the Democrats because the Democrats are doing everything in their power to screw the Republicans.

 

[jackstar7]

It is settled law. Settled law can also change. He won’t say he won’t change it because that would be inappropriate. Gotcha questions may make for good political theater or further the political ambitions of certain Senators, but that’s about it.

You are a dance instructor.

 

[PottedMeat]

this sucks, can we go back talking about pubes on coke cans at hearings?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

“I am not sure that all legal scholars refer to Roe as the settled law of the land,”

Not that he did, but "that all legal scholars"

 

[imported_tajmahal]

this sucks, can we go back talking about pubes on coke cans at hearings?

You get wood thinking about Justice Thomas's "High-tech lynching"?

" This is a circus. It's a national disgrace. And from my standpoint, as a black American, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves, to do for themselves, to have different ideas, and it is a message that unless you kowtow to an old order, this is what will happen to you. You will be lynched, destroyed, caricatured by a committee of the U.S. Senate rather than hung from a tree."

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas

 

[pcgeek11]

So you disagree that an act of civil disobedience could ever be the right thing to do? In Nazi Germany, it was against the law to hide Jews or in any way try to thwart their deportation to the camps. I assume you would be critical of that too?

I think you're taking an extreme position here. You're also mischaracterizing another poster's opinion as thinking it's OK to break the law as a general proposition. Just because you're at an extreme here doesn't mean the other guy is at the opposite extreme.

You are bringing up Nazi and people hiding Jewish people from being murdered and you say that I'm in the extreme?

You are being silly. There is no comparison between people screaming at a hearing and disturbing the peace and people hiding Jews against the Nazi's butchery.

 

[Jhhnn]

It is settled law. Settled law can also change. He won’t say he won’t change it because that would be inappropriate. Gotcha questions may make for good political theater or further the political ambitions of certain Senators, but that’s about it.

That's mealy mouthed as well. Asked for his own opinion on the matter, he expressed a non-opinion. Either he supports Roe or he doesn't & he wouldn't say. It's often referred to as weasel words.

 

[ecogen]

You are bringing up Nazi and people hiding Jewish people from being murdered and you say that I'm in the extreme?

You are being silly. There is no comparison between people screaming at a hearing and disturbing the peace and people hiding Jews against the Nazi's butchery.

You opened that door, idiot, by making absolute statements like "breaking the law is wrong". Whether you like it or not the people that were hiding Jews were, in fact, breaking the law. So according to your own words, they were in the wrong.

See how stupid your argument is? Now hold this L.

 

[jackstar7]

You are bringing up Nazi and people hiding Jewish people from being murdered and you say that I'm in the extreme?

You are being silly. There is no comparison between people screaming at a hearing and disturbing the peace and people hiding Jews against the Nazi's butchery.

Which laws do people have to obey?

 

[woolfe9998]

You are bringing up Nazi and people hiding Jewish people from being murdered and you say that I'm in the extreme?

You are being silly. There is no comparison between people screaming at a hearing and disturbing the peace and people hiding Jews against the Nazi's butchery.

Actually, the comparison is quite valid, given your prior comment. You framed this as, you are either OK with breaking the law (him) or you aren't (you). That is a false dichotomy. You just implicitly admitted that it IS OK in your view, given the proper circumstances. I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that Ecogen feels exactly the same way. I purposefully chose an extreme example to illustrate that your framing of the issue was itself, extreme.

The idea behind civil disobedience is not to undermine the rule of law. That is why you are supposed to openly admit your crime (or do so in public) and accept the penalty. Other than in a Nazi situation where doing so would get people killed, of course. With that qualifier, I have no issue with civil disobedience. Just don't physically harm anyone, and accept your legal penalty and it's fine by me because that is how you use law breaking as a form of protest without undermining the rule of law.