Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

[Jhhnn]

https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/1043269288579227648


"Senate Judiciary Chair Chuck Grassley says if Prof. Ford’s attorneys don’t respond to the GOP hearing offer by 10pm, the committee vote on Kavanaugh’s nomination will happen Monday."

Originally it was supposed to happen at the end of the workday, but Republicans extended it yet again in hopes of getting a response from Dr. Ford or her lawyers.

Doing their best to hustle it on through & blame Ford in the process.

Kavanaugh fairly reeks of the right wing GOP agenda, anyway, which is why both he & the GOP want this confirmation so badly. It's why they changed the rules & have done their best to obscure his record.

 

[conehead433]

Polygraphs are pure bullshit. There is a reason they are not admissible as evidence. If you are bothered by a question during a polygraph you will register as lying even before you open your mouth to answer.

 

[ivwshane]

Polygraphs are pure bullshit. There is a reason they are not admissible as evidence. If you are bothered by a question during a polygraph you will register as lying even before you open your mouth to answer.

Why do federal security agencies use them then?

 

[emperus]

If they want to use a professional to handle the question(s), in what I assume to be a more respectable manner, then my point is: why shouldn't they?

You mean a professional like a FBI agent? Tell me again why they won't let the FBI investigate?

 

[conehead433]

Why do federal security agencies use them then?

Because it's what they have always used. It doesn't even come close to using retinal scans, which are highly more likely to reveal deception. Good liars, sociopaths, etc. can easily pass polygraphs because the are never bothered by the questions they are asked.

 

[trenchfoot]

Polygraphs are pure bullshit. There is a reason they are not admissible as evidence. If you are bothered by a question during a polygraph you will register as lying even before you open your mouth to answer.

Very effective when used to color public opinion outside of the courtroom though. Usually, if one person admits themselves to the process and passes while the other refuses, it's going to sway public opinion in the test taker's favor.

In the case of Kavanaugh, where public opinion is a key factor toward Trump deciding whether or not to yank Kavanaugh out of contention, that lie detector test Ford passed gives her a lot of credibility in the court of public opinion.

edit - You get Trump looking at the poll numbers that makes him out to be a chump and very unpopular over something he's said or done, he'll bend and eventually break, because he's done it before. For sure, stakes are higher here but there is a limit to which Trump will embarrass himself.

 

[ivwshane]

Because it's what they have always used. It doesn't even come close to using retinal scans, which are highly more likely to reveal deception. Good liars, sociopaths, etc. can easily pass polygraphs because the are never bothered by the questions they are asked.

Hmm...so polygraphs are useless but the federal government still uses them because they always use them.

That's some solid logic right there!

 

[conehead433]

Hmm...so polygraphs are useless but the federal government still uses them because they always use them.

That's some solid logic right there!

I'm quite certain that if you asked 100 polygraphers and actually got an honest answer from each and every one of them that they would admit they got galvanic skin responses, pulse fluctuations, etc after asking a question indicating lying even before the respondent opened their mouths. But why would any of them admit this? They make money doing this.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm quite certain that if you asked 100 polygraphers and actually got an honest answer from each and every one of them that they would admit they got galvanic skin responses, pulse fluctuations, etc after asking a question indicating lying even before the respondent opened their mouths. But why would any of them admit this? They make money doing this.

And I'm sure you are sure. The gut never lies!

Your circular logic is solid though!

 

[imported_tajmahal]

In some ways, Mitch McConnell reminds me of Isoroku Yamamoto.

Dastardly conduct, dutifully igniting a firestorm that will only result in his eventual defeat.

You have awakened a slumbering giant turtle boy, you shall find a vengeful voting female behind every blade of grass.

"CNN’s Chris Cuomo posted a poll about the sexual assault allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh on Thursday and didn’t seem thrilled with the results.

Cuomo asked his Twitter followers to decide who should get the benefit of the doubt amid the allegations — the accuser, Dr. Christine Ford, or Kavanaugh.

A majority of respondents — 54 percent — said that Kavanaugh should be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
29 percent said Ford should should be presumed to be telling the truth.

Cuomo tried to downplay the poll’s results, writing, “Just twitter. Not science. But this tells us something of what we value and how we think no?”


ooops.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/20/chris-cuomo-poll-kavanaugh-backfires/

 

[conehead433]

Very effective when used to color public opinion outside of the courtroom though. Usually, if one person admits themselves to the process and passes while the other refuses, it's going to sway public opinion in the test taker's favor.

In the case of Kavanaugh, where public opinion is a key factor toward Trump deciding whether or not to yank Kavanaugh out of contention, that lie detector test Ford passed gives her a lot of credibility in the court of public opinion.

edit - You get Trump looking at the poll numbers that makes him out to be a chump and very unpopular over something he's said or done, he'll bend and eventually break, because he's done it before. For sure, stakes are higher here but there is a limit to which Trump will embarrass himself.

Do note I wasn't trying to claim that Ford was lying. I do believe she was telling the truth. I believe someone like Kavanaugh could pass a test because he was blacked out drunk at the time or a sociopath who lies about almost everything.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Doing their best to hustle it on through & blame Ford in the process.

Kavanaugh fairly reeks of the right wing GOP agenda, anyway, which is why both he & the GOP want this confirmation so badly. It's why they changed the rules & have done their best to obscure his record.

Who's trying to blame Ford? One of her lawyers replied at about 9:55 that she wants more time. I think the Committee hearing should still take place on Monday as planned with a special hearing for Ford before the final confirmation vote.

Do you know that Sen Feinstein has still not released the letter to Republicans, but it's been in the possession of Democrats since July? Who is hiding what now?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ser-cannot-overstate-how-disappointed-am.html

 

[HomerJS]

I'm quite certain that if you asked 100 polygraphers and actually got an honest answer from each and every one of them that they would admit they got galvanic skin responses, pulse fluctuations, etc after asking a question indicating lying even before the respondent opened their mouths. But why would any of them admit this? They make money doing this.

Let's put the polygraphers under a polygraph and ask.

Ok, since you don't trust that, administer sodium pentothal to both and question them.

 

[HomerJS]

If they want to use a professional to handle the question(s), in what I assume to be a more respectable manner, then my point is: why shouldn't they?

Try being fucking honest for once. Do you really think they want to do that in deference to her or because they don't want the optics of Ford vs a team of old white guys. Optics they created because they didn't think women were good enough to serve on the Senate Judiciary Committee

They've learned nothing since Anita Hill

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Try being fucking honest for once. Do you really think they want to do that in deference to her or because they don't want the optics of Ford vs a team of old white guys. Optics they created because they didn't think women were good enough to serve on the Senate Judiciary Committee

They've learned nothing since Anita Hill

Could it be that the Republican women Senators don't want to be seated on the Judiciary committee and that the leadership accedes to what they want? Of course Democrats probably think they should be forced to sit on the committee for the good of the Party.

 

[ivwshane]

Could it be that the Republican women Senators don't want to be seated on the Judiciary committee and that the leadership accedes to what they want? Of course Democrats probably think they should be forced to sit on the committee for the good of the Party.

Well, that's what you tell yourself, right?

Another gut feeling with zero facts or information to back it up.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It sure fits the authoritarian Democrat model.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Hmm...so polygraphs are useless but the federal government still uses them because they always use them.

That's some solid logic right there!

Here's what the APA has to say

"The development of currently used "lie detection" technologies has been based on ideas about physiological functioning but has, for the most part, been independent of systematic psychological research. Early theorists believed that deception required effort and, thus, could be assessed by monitoring physiological changes. But such propositions have not been proven and basic research remains limited on the nature of deceptiveness. Efforts to develop actual tests have always outpaced theory-based basic research. Without a better theoretical understanding of the mechanisms by which deception functions, however, development of a lie detection technology seems highly problematic.

For now, although the idea of a lie detector may be comforting, the most practical advice is to remain skeptical about any conclusion wrung from a polygraph."

https://www.apa.org/research/action/polygraph.aspx

and this is interesting as well

Lie detectors: Why they don't work, and why police use them anyway

https://www.vox.com/2014/8/14/5999119/polygraphs-lie-detectors-do-they-work

 

[Indus]

This whole thing reminds me of:

How I was fooled by Chad Curtis’ religious beliefs

SINS OF THE PREACHER

 

[ivwshane]

Here's what the APA has to say

"The development of currently used "lie detection" technologies has been based on ideas about physiological functioning but has, for the most part, been independent of systematic psychological research. Early theorists believed that deception required effort and, thus, could be assessed by monitoring physiological changes. But such propositions have not been proven and basic research remains limited on the nature of deceptiveness. Efforts to develop actual tests have always outpaced theory-based basic research. Without a better theoretical understanding of the mechanisms by which deception functions, however, development of a lie detection technology seems highly problematic.

For now, although the idea of a lie detector may be comforting, the most practical advice is to remain skeptical about any conclusion wrung from a polygraph."

https://www.apa.org/research/action/polygraph.aspx

and this is interesting as well

Lie detectors: Why they don't work, and why police use them anyway

https://www.vox.com/2014/8/14/5999119/polygraphs-lie-detectors-do-they-work

Thank you. That still doesn't explain why the federal government uses them.

 

[HomerJS]

Could it be that the Republican women Senators don't want to be seated on the Judiciary committee and that the leadership accedes to what they want? Of course Democrats probably think they should be forced to sit on the committee for the good of the Party.

Female Senators are so timid they don't want a prime committee position? That's your excuse?

Next you'll tell me Republican females won't run for President. Too big a job for them

Hey all you female CEO'S quite now, the pressure is too much for you!!!

 

[Victorian Gray]

Thank you. That still doesn't explain why the federal government uses them.

probably for the same reasons that the Vox article refers to.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Female Senators are so timid they don't want a prime committee position? That's your excuse?

Next you'll tell me Republican females won't run for President. Too big a job for them

Hey all you female CEO'S quite now, the pressure is too much for you!!!

No excuse, it's not up to me. I'm hoping to see Nikki Haley running for President in 2024.

 

[feralkid]

Could it be that the Republican women Senators don't want to be seated on the Judiciary committee and that the leadership accedes to what they want? Of course Democrats probably think they should be forced to sit on the committee for the good of the Party.

Jesus wept.

Having shit for brains would be considered an upgrade in your case.

 

[Jhhnn]

It sure fits the authoritarian Democrat model.

Why, there's nothing authoritarian about forcing women to carry fetuses to term is there? Of course not.