Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

[HomerJS]

The FBI will not investigate something that is allegedly from back in high school. Ms. Ford needs to file a complaint with the local authorities. This was from a former FBI guy, last night on TV. Says this is not something the FBI would, or should get involved in, and won't. So she can decide if she wants to testify to congress, or not. If she is unwilling to put herself on the stand, under oath, then the process needs to continue. Most people, if they're being honest with themselves, know this thing doesn't hold water and that the real reason for delaying the process is thwart a GOP appointed Justice from being confirmed, and or, delayed until after the midterms, in the hopes the Dems gain power. Lets be real about the motives and call them for what they are.

So the woman lied just to stop the SC nominee?

The woman lied to her therapist just so she could use it in the future.?

I heard 2 stories of women raped or sexually assaulted and it took them sometimes decades to come out. One woman only came out to her husband and therapist because it was a family friend who raped her. This guy ran for a local sheriff. The woman told her husband if he runs for higher office she would out him

It was on a radio show today. If I can get a copy will post.

 

[Moonbeam]

The FBI will not investigate something that is allegedly from back in high school. Ms. Ford needs to file a complaint with the local authorities. This was from a former FBI guy, last night on TV. Says this is not something the FBI would, or should get involved in, and won't. So she can decide if she wants to testify to congress, or not. If she is unwilling to put herself on the stand, under oath, then the process needs to continue. Most people, if they're being honest with themselves, know this thing doesn't hold water and that the real reason for delaying the process is thwart a GOP appointed Justice from being confirmed, and or, delayed until after the midterms, in the hopes the Dems gain power. Lets be real about the motives and call them for what they are.

The FBI will investigate back to age 16 for background checks. And ask yourself what media source you got fed that bull shit from?

 

[dainthomas]

So the woman lied just to stop the SC nominee?

The woman lied to her therapist just so she could use it in the future.?

These are the same people who think Obama faked his birth certificate when he was a baby just in case he ever wanted to be President.

Lying to her therapist six years ago so she could receive death threats and be forced to take her family into hiding today (and all to possibly derail a SC nominee) makes complete sense to loony Trumpublicans. Maybe Soros is paying her too.

 

[Jhhnn]

Article III doesn't specify lifetime appointments, it merely specifies that they serve during good behavior. Pre-22nd amendment, a president could serve as many times as they were elected (and could be impeached for poor behavior). This could just as easily be amended.

Don't be obtuse, OK? Amending the Constitution is an enormous task highly unlikely to be undertaken in the manner you describe. Lifetime tenure in the federal judiciary is an intentional feature created for the purpose of stability & continuity in the administration of Justice regardless of the political winds at any given time.

What you propose obviously won't affect judges serving prior to passage, either, & won't address the current attempt to pack the court.

 

[jackstar7]

The FBI will not investigate something that is allegedly from back in high school. Ms. Ford needs to file a complaint with the local authorities. This was from a former FBI guy, last night on TV. Says this is not something the FBI would, or should get involved in, and won't. So she can decide if she wants to testify to congress, or not. If she is unwilling to put herself on the stand, under oath, then the process needs to continue. Most people, if they're being honest with themselves, know this thing doesn't hold water and that the real reason for delaying the process is thwart a GOP appointed Justice from being confirmed, and or, delayed until after the midterms, in the hopes the Dems gain power. Lets be real about the motives and call them for what they are.

The FBI does background checks on all noms of this level.

It is 100% in their purview.

It doesn't have to be a criminal investigation just because the FBI is involved.

Educate yourself more fully, dude.

 

[compuwiz1]

The FBI will investigate back to age 16 for background checks. And ask yourself what media source you got fed that bull shit from?

Kavanaugh has already been through FBI background checks, through the course of his career.

And I'll leave this here, which pretty much echos what I was saying.
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/20...us-supreme-court-kavanaugh-investigation.html


Factors Don't Favor Criminal Charges Against Kavanaugh
By The Associated Press

• Sept. 19, 2018
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WASHINGTON — Democrats have been calling on the FBI to investigate a woman's claim that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her when they were both in high school. What they're asking for, though, isn't a criminal investigation that could lead to charges.

Instead, they want the FBI to examine Christine Blasey Ford's allegations, which Kavanaugh denies, to determine whether they are credible enough to cast doubt on Kavanaugh's fitness for office.

Whatever the FBI does, the prospect of criminal charges being filed against Kavanaugh appear very unlikely, legal experts say. If a crime had taken place, it would almost certainly fall under local jurisdiction, not federal. That means it would fall under the laws of Montgomery County, Maryland, where the statute of limitations would seem to preclude charges.

A look at the factors affecting the likelihood of criminal charges.

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WHAT IS THE FBI'S ROLE?

The FBI conducts background checks for federal nominees but the agency does not make judgments on the credibility or significance of allegations, according to a Justice Department statement Monday night. Instead, the department compiles information about the nominee's past and provides its findings to the agency that requested the background check. In this case, that would be the White House.

 

[Indus]

From Huff Po:

There’s one person Christine Blasey Ford says was in the room when she was allegedly sexually assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh while they were in high school ― and he appears to publicly back Kavanaugh’s denial that any sexual assault took place.

Yet Republicans are adamant about not calling conservative writer Mark Judge to testify at a hearing set for Monday, resisting Democrats’ demands for additional witnesses, beyond Blasey and Kavanaugh ― even though Judge has backed the Supreme Court nominee’s claim that the accusation is false.

Wait, what!?

It’s the kind of testimony you’d think the White House and Senate Republicans would be eager to have. More than that, why wouldn’t Judge, a classmate and friend of Kavanaugh’s during his years at Georgetown Prep in Maryland, himself want to help clear his old high school buddy’s name?



Their reasoning has merit.

Why are you so afraid of the questions if you think Kav has nothing to hide? Or are you so eager to steal another scotus seat before the voters show up and have their say?

 

[ivwshane]

Who is calling for criminal charges?

Do you ever address the points people actually raise or do you just like arguing against a straw man.

 

[Jhhnn]

Kavanaugh has already been through FBI background checks, through the course of his career.

And I'll leave this here, which pretty much echos what I was saying.
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/20...us-supreme-court-kavanaugh-investigation.html


Factors Don't Favor Criminal Charges Against Kavanaugh
By The Associated Press

• Sept. 19, 2018
• • 
    

WASHINGTON — Democrats have been calling on the FBI to investigate a woman's claim that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her when they were both in high school. What they're asking for, though, isn't a criminal investigation that could lead to charges.

Instead, they want the FBI to examine Christine Blasey Ford's allegations, which Kavanaugh denies, to determine whether they are credible enough to cast doubt on Kavanaugh's fitness for office.

Whatever the FBI does, the prospect of criminal charges being filed against Kavanaugh appear very unlikely, legal experts say. If a crime had taken place, it would almost certainly fall under local jurisdiction, not federal. That means it would fall under the laws of Montgomery County, Maryland, where the statute of limitations would seem to preclude charges.

A look at the factors affecting the likelihood of criminal charges.

____

WHAT IS THE FBI'S ROLE?

The FBI conducts background checks for federal nominees but the agency does not make judgments on the credibility or significance of allegations, according to a Justice Department statement Monday night. Instead, the department compiles information about the nominee's past and provides its findings to the agency that requested the background check. In this case, that would be the White House.

So what? Criminal charges are obviously out of the question. I don't recall any thread participants claiming otherwise. Your link indicates that such a request would have to come from the White House & would amount to Trump cock blocking himself. Probably not. OTOH, Ford won't testify w/o it. So we'll see if McConnell has the sheer chutzpah to advance to a vote, or not.

 

[compuwiz1]

Trying to hold Kavanaugh's feet to the fire, for the same thing, most drunken kids did at parties, in my day is laughable. Did we get drunk and make advances, sometimes strong advances? Yes. So he tried to make out with a chick and she rejected him. He didn't rape her. You think that never happened before with 16-17 year olds, who got drunk at a party? I've had girls come on strong with me and push themselves on me. We didn't hear about sexual harassment in those days. Everyone thought doing those things was the norm. Kavanaugh's career has been exemplary. If not, bring out anyone, during his career, who says otherwise.

If this allegation had never been made, the Democrats still don't want this guy. Be honest. This is nothing more than an 11th hour Hail Mary. He's gonna be confirmed, because some fuzzy, drunken, allegation from 40 years ago, when kids are still in their formative years, ain't gonna stick. Sorry.

 

[jackstar7]

Trying to hold Kavanaugh's feet to the fire, for the same thing, most drunken kids did at parties, in my day is laughable. Did we get drunk and make advances, sometimes strong advances? Yes. So he tried to make out with a chick and she rejected him. He didn't rape her. You think that never happened before with 16-17 year olds, who got drunk at a party? I've had girls come on strong with me and push themselves on me. We didn't hear about sexual harassment in those days. Everyone thought doing those things was the norm. Kavanaugh's career has been exemplary. If not, bring out anyone, during his career, who says otherwise.

If this allegation had never been made, the Democrats still don't want this guy. Be honest. This is nothing more than an 11th hour Hail Mary. He's gonna be confirmed, because some fuzzy, drunken, allegation from 40 years ago, when kids are still in their formative years, ain't gonna stick. Sorry.

F.U.C.K. YOU for being permissive of sexual assault.

Thank god you can't have kids.

 

[fskimospy]

Trying to hold Kavanaugh's feet to the fire, for the same thing, most drunken kids did at parties, in my day is laughable. Did we get drunk and make advances, sometimes strong advances? Yes. So he tried to make out with a chick and she rejected him. He didn't rape her. You think that never happened before with 16-17 year olds, who got drunk at a party? I've had girls come on strong with me and push themselves on me. We didn't hear about sexual harassment in those days. Everyone thought doing those things was the norm. Kavanaugh's career has been exemplary. If not, bring out anyone, during his career, who says otherwise.

If this allegation had never been made, the Democrats still don't want this guy. Be honest. This is nothing more than an 11th hour Hail Mary. He's gonna be confirmed, because some fuzzy, drunken, allegation from 40 years ago, when kids are still in their formative years, ain't gonna stick. Sorry.

You pushed women onto beds, tried to take their clothes off, and then put your hand over their mouth when they tried to scream? More importantly you think most people did this? Holy shit dude, your high school sounds horrifying.

Also, I wonder what the average high school girl thinks about the idea that conservatives are floating that because someone's a teenager in their 'formative years' they shouldn't be held accountable for attempted rape. I can't imagine how disturbing I would find that if I were a 15 year old girl.

You have some seriously twisted ideas about how people normally act.

 

[IronWing]

If this allegation had never been made, the Democrats still don't want this guy. Be honest.

Well of course not. No right thinking American would want Kavanough sitting on the Supreme Court. He's a radical.

 

[fskimospy]

Well of course not. No right thinking American would want Kavanough sitting on the Supreme Court. He's a radical.

'You would oppose him even if he weren't a sex offender' seems like an odd defense to me.

 

[compuwiz1]

You pushed women onto beds, tried to take their clothes off, and then put your hand over their mouth when they tried to scream? More importantly you think most people did this? Holy shit dude, your high school sounds horrifying.

Also, I wonder what the average high school girl thinks about the idea that conservatives are floating that because someone's a teenager in their 'formative years' they shouldn't be held accountable for attempted rape. I can't imagine how disturbing I would find that if I were a 15 year old girl.

You have some seriously twisted ideas about how people normally act.

You're assuming guilty, before proven innocent, which seems to be what liberals do lately. We can't even positively place him at the scene. Maybe we can go back and find some slobber on thread fibers, or something. Allegations do not always equal guilt. Yeah, lots of guys playfully pushed a girl down on a couch or bed, when at parties. You don't know if they were making out before hand, or what the exact circumstances were, if it happened at all. She's is being given the opportunity to testify, let's see if she does, or how her credibility holds up. People's lives can be destroyed by the mere fact that someone thinks they remember something happening decades ago. You guys are all about "off with his head", without knowing for sure if these allegations are even true. Sure would hate to have you as judge and jury!

 

[Jhhnn]

Well of course not. No right thinking American would want Kavanough sitting on the Supreme Court. He's a radical.

Hand picked by the right wing sycophants in the Federalist Society. Class warfare. They're in it to win it, make no mistake about that.

 

[compuwiz1]

F.U.C.K. YOU for being permissive of sexual assault.

Thank god you can't have kids.

I'm not permissive of sexual assault. I'm saying prove it, not declare guilty, when you don't know for sure. I can and do have kids. We did just fine raising them and they are healthy, happy and successful.

 

[ivwshane]

You're assuming guilty, before proven innocent, which seems to be what liberals do lately. We can't even positively place him at the scene. Maybe we can go back and find some slobber on thread fibers, or something. Allegations do not always equal guilt. Yeah, lots of guys playfully pushed a girl down on a couch or bed, when at parties. You don't know if they were making out before hand, or what the exact circumstances were, if it happened at all. She's is being given the opportunity to testify, let's see if she does, or how her credibility holds up. People's lives can be destroyed by the mere fact that someone thinks they remember something happening decades ago. You guys are all about "off with his head", without knowing for sure if these allegations are even true. Sure would hate to have you as judge and jury!

Oh so now you support an investigation?

Lol of course you don't, you sexual assaulting, partisan hack!

 

[K1052]

You're assuming guilty, before proven innocent, which seems to be what liberals do lately. We can't even positively place him at the scene. Maybe we can go back and find some slobber on thread fibers, or something. Allegations do not always equal guilt. Yeah, lots of guys playfully pushed a girl down on a couch or bed, when at parties. You don't know if they were making out before hand, or what the exact circumstances were, if it happened at all. She's is being given the opportunity to testify, let's see if she does, or how her credibility holds up. People's lives can be destroyed by the mere fact that someone thinks they remember something happening decades ago. You guys are all about "off with his head", without knowing for sure if these allegations are even true. Sure would hate to have you as judge and jury!

Getting sent back to resume his lifetime judgeship isn't exactly "off with his head". This is a job interview.

There is no right to supreme court confirmation.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm not permissive of sexual assault. I'm saying prove it, not declare guilty, when you don't know for sure. I can and do have kids. We did just fine raising them and they are healthy, happy and successful.

So you were cool with your daughter being sexually assaulted or you were cool with your son sexually assaulting girls?

I don't think you did as well as you think you did, pervert.

 

[compuwiz1]

Well of course not. No right thinking American would want Kavanough sitting on the Supreme Court. He's a radical.

Right....to a liberal, anyone who is a constitutionalist is a radical. It might just be the left that is radical. There are extremists on both sides of the aisle, but think the vast collection of them, on the radical left, are right here, while the extreme right is on some shit llke stormfront. lol

 

[jackstar7]

I'm not permissive of sexual assault. I'm saying prove it, not declare guilty, when you don't know for sure. I can and do have kids. We did just fine raising them and they are healthy, happy and successful.

Re-read what you wrote. You ARE permissive.

Also, I don't believe you did or can have kids.

 

[HomerJS]

From Huff Po:

There’s one person Christine Blasey Ford says was in the room when she was allegedly sexually assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh while they were in high school ― and he appears to publicly back Kavanaugh’s denial that any sexual assault took place.

Yet Republicans are adamant about not calling conservative writer Mark Judge to testify at a hearing set for Monday, resisting Democrats’ demands for additional witnesses, beyond Blasey and Kavanaugh ― even though Judge has backed the Supreme Court nominee’s claim that the accusation is false.

Wait, what!?

It’s the kind of testimony you’d think the White House and Senate Republicans would be eager to have. More than that, why wouldn’t Judge, a classmate and friend of Kavanaugh’s during his years at Georgetown Prep in Maryland, himself want to help clear his old high school buddy’s name?



Their reasoning has merit.

Why are you so afraid of the questions if you think Kav has nothing to hide? Or are you so eager to steal another scotus seat before the voters show up and have their say?

Statue of limitations precludes criminal charges. This is strictly political. A position on the SC is not a right. This is a question of character.

 

[emperus]

Trying to hold Kavanaugh's feet to the fire, for the same thing, most drunken kids did at parties, in my day is laughable. Did we get drunk and make advances, sometimes strong advances? Yes. So he tried to make out with a chick and she rejected him. He didn't rape her. You think that never happened before with 16-17 year olds, who got drunk at a party? I've had girls come on strong with me and push themselves on me. We didn't hear about sexual harassment in those days. Everyone thought doing those things was the norm. Kavanaugh's career has been exemplary. If not, bring out anyone, during his career, who says otherwise.

If this allegation had never been made, the Democrats still don't want this guy. Be honest. This is nothing more than an 11th hour Hail Mary. He's gonna be confirmed, because some fuzzy, drunken, allegation from 40 years ago, when kids are still in their formative years, ain't gonna stick. Sorry.

#argumentsthatdon'thelpurcase

 

[Jaskalas]

True story--back when I was in college, a few buddies and I went out of state for a basketball game at another school, where I visited some other friends and attended a frat party. One visiting friend of mine kept striking out with the ladies, and as the night wore on and drinks piled on, at some point he was like "Fvck it, I'm just putting my hand down some panties until I find a girl who likes it. None of these girls will ever see me again anyway." The crazy thing is...I didn't think anything of it at the time. I just laughed and bid him good luck! I was too shy to even attempt such a stunt...but the words "sexual assault" didn't even register for that. Every now and then I think about that...land how often women had to put up with that kind of shit and just ignore it/stay silent because they didn't want to make a thing of it. Crazy.

Now imagine before College, doing that as a minor. Should that "buddy" be marked for life?