Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

[Maxima1]

I'm not saying you're wrong here, and that the events could somewhat fairly be seen this way....but I'm not sure what more the democrats can do, because they actually have been doing these things. As have the media. I guess you want them to just be louder about it, to drown out the victimized right-wing rage? I'm not sure that demanding they stoop to the childish level of shameless republicans is the right way to go, either.

You can demand that they just fight back the same way with petty insults and playground name-calling, but then there is no standard with which to right the ship back on course if "both sides" have given up and fallen into the maelstrom.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1048199202684264450

Since September, Democrat & Independent support of Kavanaugh has declined. What could possibly be done about the Republicans? *shrugs*

I think your similarly understating things. Avenatti was in the limelight long enough to impede the momentum against Kavanaugh

I call BS. Avenatti definitely didn't impede the momentum. I mean, you might as well argue the addition of Ramirez did too. The FBI has 40+ more people they could have talked to among these accusers. The problem is Republicans are authoritarian and don't care.

When the majority of the alleged perjuries are for things like FFFF and Devil’s Triangle, based off what aquaintances and roommated recall, its easy to dismiss all the perjury allegations as partisan hysterics.

Again, you're essentially arguing as someone who watches Fox all the time. Please. He should have been done for numerous reasons, but isn't because of the irrationality of Republicans. Remember Clinton? Shee-it not too long ago Santorum made the case perjury was much worse than sexual assault (edit:I believe Santorum was referring to Bill Clinton perjury vs. Trump's sexual assault allegations).

 

[fskimospy]

Which is completely obscured by all the other nonsense. How many pages of this thread has been devoted to Devil’s Triangle versus an intelligent conversation on the documents you referred to?

Because it was another avenue of attack. Remember, Republicans were already made aware in the initial hearing that Kavanaugh was lying about this, they just didn't care.

 

[spacejamz]

The FBI has 40+ more people they could have talked to among these accusers. The problem is Republicans are authoritarian and don't care.

If these 40+ people were critical to the 'special investigation', why did the democratic party not talk to them directly before the hearing last week? If they had important information, would it not have made sense to get it before the hearing? if the special investigation was not approved, we would have never heard about these 40 people, right?

 

[UNCjigga]

American Bar Association says they will reopen their evaluation of Kavanaugh based on "new information of a material nature regarding temperament during the September 27 hearing,"...and no that's not just the ABA President, that's the Standing Committee.

Could go either way, and if still "recommended" that would provide more than enough cover for anyone still on the fence.

 

[IJTSSG]

Wow, the combination of liberal tears and desperation creates quite a stench.

It's a definite 'yes' on the sandbags.

Good job!

 

[emperus]

This process should show how dishonest the Republican party has become. They have no fidelity to rules or anything, the will change and do anything for power. And they stay in power due to mostly their unsophisticated, unintelligent voters and the structural advantages of the Senate and the Electoral College. Democrats have to shed their approach to this and truly see who the opposition really is.

There is this view that every vote counts equally. That is not true. Wyoming, with around 600,000 people gets three electoral college votes (2 senators and 1 Rep). And California with around 40,000,000 people gets 55(2 senators and 52 reps). How is each person's vote equal? The Dems need to get tough to overcome this.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

This process should show how dishonest the Republican party has become. They have no fidelity to rules or anything, the will change and do anything for power. And they stay in power due to mostly their unsophisticated, unintelligent voters and the structural advantages of the Senate and the Electoral College. Democrats have to shed their approach to this and truly see who the opposition really is.

There is this view that every vote counts equally. That is not true. Wyoming, with around 600,000 people gets three electoral college votes (2 senators and 1 Rep). And California with around 40,000,000 people gets 55(2 senators and 52 reps). How is each person's vote equal? The Dems need to get tough to overcome this.

Another Hate America clueless clown chimes in. All they have to do is change the Constitution. Get to it.

 

[pauldun170]

Sad part about this is that the red state folks around here are too busy getting off on saying "Fuck you" to the blue state folks that they are not even noticing that Kavanuagh is simply a shit nominee.

"I don't care if he is dog ball licker!!! His win is another point for Team red!!!!"

There are dozens of other "not lying, media begging scumbags" on that list that will act towards red state goals on the SC.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I call BS. Avenatti definitely didn't impede the momentum. I mean, you might as well argue the addition of Ramirez did too. The FBI has 40+ more people they could have talked to among these accusers. The problem is Republicans are authoritarian and don't care.

The only credible accusation that holds water is Ford, the FBI focused on that one and there is nothing more to discuss because no one can corroborate her account. Ramirez was the victim of an overzealous journalist, and the Avenatti represented accusations are nonsense.

Again, you're essentially arguing as someone who watches Fox all the time. Please. He should have been done for numerous reasons, but isn't because of the irrationality of Republicans.

I don’t care for Fox News, but I am very aware of the irrational nonsense produced by the Twitter mob and in the message boards of the NYT and WAPO.

Remember Clinton?

The lying sexual predator one that Democrats keep making excuses for or the other one that stood by his side that Democrats keep making excuses for?

Shee-it not too long ago Santorum made the case perjury was much worse than sexual assault (edit:I believe Santorum was referring to Bill Clinton perjury vs. Trump's sexual assault allegations).

Not sure what Santorum was referring to. Perjury, not sexual assault, is the legitimate issue that should disqualify Kavanaugh. Which of those two have consumed the media for the past two weeks?

 

[Maxima1]

The only credible accusation that holds water is Ford, the FBI focused on that one and there is nothing more to discuss because no one can corroborate her account. Ramirez was the victim of an overzealous journalist, and the Avenatti represented accusations are nonsense.

Ramirez and Avenatti's client were credible as well. The FBI didn't investigate those allegations because Republicans are afraid of what they'll find obviously.

The lying sexual predator one that Democrats keep making excuses for or the other one that stood by his side that Democrats keep making excuses for?

See? This is the crap I'm talking about. So what could the Democrats have done about Kavanaugh that would have changed everything?

Not sure what Santorum was referring to. Perjury, not sexual assault, is the legitimate issue that should disqualify Kavanaugh. Which of those two have consumed the media for the past two weeks?

I'll try to find it. He was saying perjury was so bad, and it related to Clinton and Trump I believe. But the point is it shows how irrational Republicans are. Perjury is super serious when it's Democrats, but no more when it's about Republicans.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Sad part about this is that the red state folks around here are too busy getting off on saying "Fuck you" to the blue state folks that they are not even noticing that Kavanuagh is simply a shit nominee.

"I don't care if he is dog ball licker!!! His win is another point for Team red!!!!"

There are dozens of other "not lying, media begging scumbags" on that list that will act towards red state goals on the SC.

Except I have seen nothing in this confirmation hearing that makes me think he isn't a good choice as a Supreme Court Justice.
Temperament ? Attack a man and his family and i'd think he isn't qualified if he doesn't get pissed.
False allegations with no corroborating evidence? Why would those disqualify him?
Made up claims about perjury, especially when not backed up by the facts and especially the farcical ones about high school words for farts and drinking games.
You seem to think that if the Democrats continue to tell more and bigger lies that it should disqualify Judge Kavanaugh from becoming a Justice instead of shaming any idiot that chooses to continue to vote for Democrats.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Ramirez and Avenatti's client were credible as well. The FBI didn't investigate those allegations because Republicans are afraid of what they'll find obviously.

They weren’t, which is why they went nowhere. The GOP folded to pressure over Ford. They did not feel compelled to do the same for the other accusations.

See? This is the crap I'm talking about. So what could the Democrats have done about Kavanaugh that would have changed everything?

Booker exhibited a willingness to get scrappy. I acknowledged and respected him for it. What happened?

I'll try to find it. He was saying perjury was so bad, and it related to Clinton and Trump I believe. But the point is it shows how irrational Republicans are. Perjury is super serious when it's Democrats, but no more when it's about Republicans.

The GOP are hypocrites. There is an election at stake and a President to protect. I think Democrats are also hypocritical on this issue. The “it’s only a blowjob” rationalization comes to mind when Clinton got nailed for perjury and obstruction of justice, and not one Democrat Senator voted him guilty for it.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

In what world were Ramirez and Swetnick credible? If anything the 2 accusations drowned out Dr. Ford. Helped by the Rhode Island accusation and the Colorado one.

 

[IJTSSG]

Ramirez and Avenatti's client were credible as well. The FBI didn't investigate those allegations because Republicans are afraid of what they'll find obviously.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good job!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The GOP are hypocrites. There is an election at stake and a President to protect. I think Democrats are also hypocritical on this issue. The “it’s only a blowjob” rationalization comes to mind when Clinton got nailed for perjury and obstruction of justice, and not one Democrat Senator voted him guilty for it.

Makes a valid point...

If lying about a blowjob isn't a big deal, how is a drinking game vs. a 3-some in COLLEGE (let alone in office) a big deal?

 

[dyna]

Even if Kavanaugh gets confirmed, this entire confirmation needs a FBI special investigation team to uncover all the antics that happened and see if the integrity of the process was manipulated.

 

[Maxima1]

They weren’t, which is why they went nowhere. The GOP folded to pressure over Ford. They did not feel compelled to do the same for the other accusations.

Oh please. They "listened" to Ford because it gave the appearance of giving a shit.

Booker exhibited a willingness to get scrappy. I acknowledged and respected him for it. What happened?

How would that overshadow Kavanaugh's complete meltdown and totally disqualifying opening statement? You're not making a reasonable argument here.

The GOP are hypocrites. There is an election at stake and a President to protect. I think Democrats are also hypocritical on this issue. The “it’s only a blowjob” rationalization comes to mind when Clinton got nailed for perjury and obstruction of justice, and not one Democrat Senator voted him guilty for it.

The president is a politician, and it isn't a lifetime position. Kavanaugh's lying is potentially hiding criminal behavior, while Clinton's was not.

Here's the link to Santorum's BS. Scroll down to video. Santorum argues that groping isn't a "high crime or misdemeanor". Republicans are able to readily do a 180 depending on if there's a (D) or (R) with the name, which the conservative media helps them do effortlessly.

https://twitter.com/RickSantorum/status/940573852106723328

 

[FelixDeCat]

He will not be confirmed.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

He will not be confirmed.

Where are you getting that from? (Not doubting you - just wondering if there is so breaking news that I haven't heard yet)

 

[cytg111]

He will not be confirmed.

Dont sad face, you can produce another Kavanaugh without the bullshit history and he/she will get confirmed no problem.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I just find hardliners so bizaare and can't take anything they say seriously. Both sides are corrupt as f. There is no grand conspiracy against Trump that there isn't against every other president. Dems vs. Rep is the norm towing the party line at all cost, because none of them care one iota about the masses. It's about their political career and helping themselves and friends.

The news is mostly negative because Trump makes it easy. None of us, I REPEAT: NONE OF US know if the allegations are true or false. What we've been told points to it not being true, but that's as far as it goes. The troubling part of this is that the republicans are making a show of it all that makes it sound like they could care less if it is true or not by trying to rush it all and throwing the 'it's the dems doing this' line. I don't care if it is the dems. PROVE IT THEN. Even if the investigation is said to have found the allegations false, it is drowned out by the republicans apparent lack of any interest in the truth and due process just so they can get their man in. This is the biggest issue here, appearance of being right over doing what's right. Trumps actions during this entire thing scream selfishness. The handling of the entire thing has been horrible.

 

[brycejones]

He will not be confirmed.

Throwing hand grenades at women and kids cheers up Tajbot, maybe you should go defend the border with him and leave your troubles behind.

 

[Svnla]

So it is ok to attack/mock children now (10 years old girl in this case)?

Chelsea Clinton said no - https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...ve-judge-kavanaughs-daughters-alone/23550116/

Again, I do remember that any person in the US has the right to presume innocent until proven otherwise in a court of law. Due process.

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[HomerJS]

Trump attracts people who abuse women so that's another reason Ford's story seem plausible.

Kavanaugh is a classic case in consciousness of guilt.

 

[ivwshane]

Fuck Susan Collins