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Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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Homerboy said:
In my opinion, here's the thing. Let's remove whether or not he's guilty of the act or not.

It's pretty clear (and has been corroborated) that he lied under oath during that interview. It's pretty clear he hardly has an even temperament for that matter too - certainly not one befitting of a Supreme Court Justice. There are 24 more judges on that recommended list. He should be dropped and one of the other 24 should be nominated.
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It's sickening how it's all whether he could be convicted based on the allegation(s), when it's clear he belongs on Fox, and he has about ~20 confirmed perjuries (with documentary evidence!).
 
Homerboy said:
In my opinion, here's the thing. Let's remove whether or not he's guilty of the act or not.

It's pretty clear (and has been corroborated) that he lied under oath during that interview. It's pretty clear he hardly has an even temperament for that matter too - certainly not one befitting of a Supreme Court Justice. There are 24 more judges on that recommended list. He should be dropped and one of the other 24 should be nominated.
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Corroborated by who? I'd like to see this claim.
 
imported_tajmahal said:
Money is money, even if it allegedly comes from "small donors".
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...estigate-bribery-sen-collins-vote/1285011002/
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"FACT is a much newer creation, organized in 2014 as a conservative counterweight to watchdog groups viewed as more left-of-center, such as Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. The newer outfit took its first public action about a year ago when it filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission against Democratic voter data firm Catalist.

Since then, FACT has, on rare occasions (possibly just once), gone after a Republican, but most frequently accuses Democrats — particularly frontrunner and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton— of ethical or legal violations.

Its funding — $600,000 in 2014, according to the only tax return it has filed to date — comes entirely from a conservative donor-advised fund called DonorsTrust, which means it could come from anywhere. DonorsTrust is a pass-through vessel that manages the charitable contributions of wealthy individuals and foundations to organizations that are “dedicated to the ideals of limited government, personal responsibility, and free enterprise,” according to its website, while allowing the donors to remain anonymous. Charles Koch is among the many conservatives who have filtered money through DonorsTrust."
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2016/04/new-nonprofit-tied-to-stealthy-circle-of-dark-money-groups/
 
imported_tajmahal said:
Unless those folks are voting members of the US Senate why would I care? You care about those numbers, not me. All they do is reinforce my already low opinion of the highly partisan and biased educators in our Colleges and Universities. Keep up the running count though and try to get some actual names of real people I can check out.Thanks.
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Even Kavanaugh clerks and colleagues have backed away from him. Those law professors definitely are not all liberal. It's a blatant and gross power play by the GOP.
 
Taj is in full spin-bot mode today, desperate to avoid the reality of what Kavanaugh told us last Thursday.

Beyond judicial qualifications, the Senate is charged with the responsibility to evaluate SCOTUS nominees wrt their honesty, integrity, fair mindedness and an ability to rise above partisanship in service to the concept of Justice outlined in the Constitution.

Kavanaugh fails that test. None of the rest of it matters at all.
 
with senator Collins voting for him now, it's 50-50 at worse and the vp breaks the tie to make kavanaugh the next Justice 🙁
 
momeNt said:
What do you mean so what? He admitted to drinking - that should be that, trying to ascertain whether or not he was ever blackout drunk without anybody recollecting a specific admission from Kavanaugh himself does not make him a liar.

Is this really what passes for a SCOTUS confirmation hearing now? Is this really what we want. You are actually now dismissing entirely the claims of Ford "So what" you said, and are focusing on college drinking habits. Holy shit.
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It is frankly really weird that people are trying to argue that Kavanaugh clearly lying on multiple occasions under oath about his drinking habits has no bearing on whether or not he's lying about sexually assaulting people while drunk.

He's lying about them for an obvious reason - he fears that admitting to those drinking habits will make Ford's accusation more credible. I think rational people think lying under oath to make accusations of felonies less credible is a pretty important thing.
 
JEDI said:
they didn't even interview Dr Ford.
wtfbbq?!
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Why would they? They already have hours of her testimony along with her letters . Democratic Senators had plenty of opportunity to ask her anything they wanted the same day as the extra supplemental investigation began. The Senators also asked her if there was anything, anything at all she wanted to add and she said "No". She testified under oath that she had nothing more to say.
 
Maxima1 said:
Collins: "It appears to be a very thorough investigation"

What a joke!

Damn, media sucks btw. It's always "The Democrats say this, the Republicans say that." They need to call the Republicans out on this sham.
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THOROUGH?? What a load of horse shit! How can it be thorough when Kavanaugh's freshman roommate was not contacted??
 
imported_tajmahal said:
Why would they? They already have hours of her testimony along with her letters . Democratic Senators had plenty of opportunity to ask her anything they wanted the same day as the investigation began. The Senators also asked her if there was anything, anything at all she wanted to add and she said "No". She testified under oath that she had nothing more to say.
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It sure is odd that the White House refused to let the FBI interview Ford if she had no additional information to offer. Why would they waste their time making such a prohibition then?
 
Homerboy said:
In my opinion, here's the thing. Let's remove whether or not he's guilty of the act or not.

It's pretty clear (and has been corroborated) that he lied under oath during that interview. It's pretty clear he hardly has an even temperament for that matter too - certainly not one befitting of a Supreme Court Justice. There are 24 more judges on that recommended list. He should be dropped and one of the other 24 should be nominated.
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I'm in the general agreeance that his behavior during the testimony (and interviews) is what should condemn him. Just based on his general unprofessional behavior - let alone if he lied under oath or not.

However - The other items have no basis, facts, or real credibility. Everyone here drank in high school and college (well, 99% at least, we are talking about a nerd forum). Everyone here has also likely had one night where you blacked out or simply was unable to remember what happened the previous night. Thinking that a political figure is holier than thou is downright pathetic. If actions from when you were a kid growing up in life was grounds for not hiring you most people here would never be employed
 
HomerJS said:
THOROUGH?? What a load of horse shit! How can it be thorough when Kavanaugh's freshman roommate was not contacted??
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The investigation was so thorough that multiple witnesses were reduced to mailing sworn statements to the FBI stating that Kavanaugh had perjured himself because their repeated attempts to contact investigators were being ignored.
 
momeNt said:
What do you mean so what? He admitted to drinking - that should be that, trying to ascertain whether or not he was ever blackout drunk without anybody recollecting a specific admission from Kavanaugh himself does not make him a liar.

Is this really what passes for a SCOTUS confirmation hearing now? Is this really what we want. You are actually now dismissing entirely the claims of Ford "So what" you said, and are focusing on college drinking habits. Holy shit.
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No, he said "I'm a virgin choirboy who drank occasionally. None of that is true.
 
fskimospy said:
It is frankly really weird that people are trying to argue that Kavanaugh clearly lying on multiple occasions under oath about his drinking habits has no bearing on whether or not he's lying about sexually assaulting people while drunk.

He's lying about them for an obvious reason - he fears that admitting to those drinking habits will make Ford's accusation more credible. I think rational people think lying under oath to make accusations of felonies less credible is a pretty important thing.
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It doesn't even matter. The fact that he did lie is enough to disqualify him. What he lied about & why is immaterial.

Kavanaugh should be familiar with the principle from the Whitewater investigation he participated in 20 years ago where a single lie from Bill Clinton nearly removed him from the Presidency. Kavanaugh has lied a Helluva lot more than that.
 
fskimospy said:
He's lying about them for an obvious reason - he fears that admitting to those drinking habits will make Ford's accusation more credible. I think rational people think lying under oath to make accusations of felonies less credible is a pretty important thing.
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And he did that knowing that perjury is a felony, and he knows how important it is for the judiciary.
 
Jhhnn said:
It doesn't even matter. The fact that he did lie is enough to disqualify him. What he lied about & why is immaterial.

Kavanaugh should be familiar with the principle from the Whitewater investigation he participated in 20 years ago where a single lie from Bill Clinton nearly removed him from the Presidency. Kavanaugh has lied a Helluva lot more than that.
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You make the claims, but never substantiate them.

You're also a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist that this is the beginning of a fascist state.
Pretty tough to give you any credibility about anything.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
I'm in the general agreeance that his behavior during the testimony (and interviews) is what should condemn him. Just based on his general unprofessional behavior - let alone if he lied under oath or not.

However - The other items have no basis, facts, or real credibility. Everyone here drank in high school and college (well, 99% at least, we are talking about a nerd forum). Everyone here has also likely had one night where you blacked out or simply was unable to remember what happened the previous night. Thinking that a political figure is holier than thou is downright pathetic. If actions from when you were a kid growing up in life was grounds for not hiring you most people here would never be employed
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No one is saying he shouldn't be hired because he drank too much as a kid, they are saying he shouldn't be hired because he lied under oath about it.
 
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