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Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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soundforbjt said:
Did you notice the obvious repeating of certain phrases ala Fox news/republican type talking points? The hours of practice at the WH was showing, though I'm sure most people didn't notice.
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I only read excerpts from it but I think I know what you mean. Sounds like he was coached to admit nothing. He even went out of his way to emphasize that when people at those parties were drinking it was because they were of legal age. Come on man... literally no one believes you that underage drinking wasn't going on. We have all been in high school.
 
dainthomas said:
I wouldn't bet on her voting against Kavanaugh no matter what. She talks a big game but always votes whatever way the Trumpublicans need her to.
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That's not accurate. The ACA repeal is a notable recent example. Yes she often votes with the party but not always.

My personal assessment is that she'd like to be a yes on Kavanaugh but the accusations weighing heavily against that impulse. Collins relies on a lot of crossover votes so if lots of Ds believe Frord then a yay vote is fraught.
 
fskimospy said:
I feel like his interview last night was a very bad idea, at least how he did it. He seemed to go way too far towards the claims that he was focused on getting good grades, playing sports, and being a fine upstanding citizen with little interest in partying beyond that of a normal kid. Regardless of whether or not you think he committed these various assaults I think few people believe he wasn't very interested in partying. When you lie about the small stuff it makes people wonder if you're lying about the big stuff.
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Quite true. The flip side is we all know there was and remains a toxic culture in high school and college, typically centered around sports teams and fraternities, often enabled by coaches, parents and alumni and always involving alcohol. Kavanaugh was clearly a participant in that culture.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Quite true. The flip side is we all know there was and remains a toxic culture in high school and college, typically centered around sports teams and fraternities, often enabled by coaches, parents and alumni and always involving alcohol. Kavanaugh was clearly a participant in that culture.
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Problems when your defense is too vigorous and goes beyond the accusations at hand. His new extended claims of virtue are inevitably going to be (and already are being) worn down by other people who knew him at the time. Why open another front into questions about your credibility?
 
K1052 said:
Problems when your defense is too vigorous and goes beyond the accusations at hand. His new extended claims of virtue are inevitably going to be (and already are being) worn down by other people who knew him at the time. Why open another front into questions about your credibility?
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He started with the absolute denial and now he can’t back down.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Quite true. The flip side is we all know there was and remains a toxic culture in high school and college, typically centered around sports teams and fraternities, often enabled by coaches, parents and alumni and always involving alcohol. Kavanaugh was clearly a participant in that culture.
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I’ve never been in a fraternity or even to a frat party that I can remember (I was too old by the time I went to undergrad) but I don’t know a lot of people with great things to say about the culture.

It just seems like such a silly thing to deny. Even his defenders mostly admit he liked to get blasted in high school and college. I don’t think anyone would view being irresponsible in that way when you’re 17-22 or whatever as being disqualifying. It makes him look pretty bad that he feels the need to lie about it though.
 
K1052 said:
Problems when your defense is too vigorous and goes beyond the accusations at hand. His new extended claims of virtue are inevitably going to be (and already are being) worn down by other people who knew him at the time. Why open another front into questions about your credibility?
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The virgin defense is absurd. His only chance now is if Avenatti’s ego blows the whole thing up.
 
Yeah apparently after Avenatti said on twitter his accuser might not come forward this morning (had a list of conditions that would need to be met), he has now locked down his account and set to private...
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Quite true. The flip side is we all know there was and remains a toxic culture in high school and college, typically centered around sports teams and fraternities, often enabled by coaches, parents and alumni and always involving alcohol. Kavanaugh was clearly a participant in that culture.
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Totally. I was an athlete while in high school in Dearborn in the 70's and 80's and barely escaped that culture with my life. Parties, booze, pot, girls all enjoyed with impunity while authority figures turned blind eyes...
 
No matter if the accusations against Kavanaugh are true or not, the Dems have managed to blunt this glaringly obvious SOP Repub ploy of ramming things through the approval process before the opposition can mount a credible resistance effort. I have no idea if this was their plan all along but the Dems sure have capitalized on this issue to the fullest extent.

The issue has also exposed McConnell and his horde of ethically/morally barren politico hucksters for the specious conniving caricatures that they are. It has also brought to light how disgusting and underhanded they can be when they blindly pursue an agenda for no other reason than to solidify and expand their corruption of the gov't at its highest levels.

It has also exposed their efforts to keep power in their hands at any cost, at any level of treachery at their disposal, the Constitution and Rule of Law being mere obstacles to overcome rather than the noble principles they swore to abide by.

I guess the Repubs know they're going to take a serious hit in the midterms for the ugly way they have been pursuing their legislative agenda so why not go all in anyway and grab what they can before the roof falls in on their heads.
 
Apparently the legal drinking age in Maryland was changed to 21 when Kavanaugh was 17, meaning he could not have drank legally at 18.

So either he is now claiming he didn’t drink at these parties at all, (right) or he was just caught lying yet again.
 
tweaker2 said:
The issue has also exposed McConnell and his horde of ethically/morally barren politico hucksters for the specious conniving caricatures that they are. It has also brought to light how disgusting and underhanded they can be when they blindly pursue an agenda for no other reason than to solidify and expand their corruption of the gov't at its highest levels.
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I want to meet the guy that only now figured out what a snake McConnell is.
 
umbrella39 said:
Totally. I was an athlete while in high school in Dearborn in the 70's and 80's and barely escaped that culture with my life. Parties, booze, pot, girls all enjoyed with impunity while authority figures turned blind eyes...
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As an attendee of a Catholic high school with a popular football program I find claims that these activities were absent (or that Kav didn't know or didn't partake) to be entirely lacking in credibility. The school actively covered up such things. Alumi protected athletes when they got into trouble with the law or outside parties. The culture of permissiveness for those the involved was basically unlimited.
 
fskimospy said:
I only read excerpts from it but I think I know what you mean. Sounds like he was coached to admit nothing. He even went out of his way to emphasize that when people at those parties were drinking it was because they were of legal age. Come on man... literally no one believes you that underage drinking wasn't going on. We have all been in high school.
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And he was a virgin when he got married. He,he .
 
Blackjack200 said:
I want to meet the guy that only now figured out what a snake McConnell is.
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It's gotten to the point where McConnell has been so blatant about his underhanded methods toward forwarding the conservative push to keep control of the gov't even though they will eventually become the minority party that many of their constituency have acquired an attitude where they have become the new rebel front looking to cause as much damage and obstruction as possible to the inner workings of the gov't in order to "save it from itself".

It's the 'ol "Well if we can't have it according to the rules then we'll wreck it bad enough to where we can get it back again" thingy.
 
Probably not really helping

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tweaker2 said:
It's gotten to the point where McConnell has been so blatant about his underhanded methods toward forwarding the conservative push to keep control of the gov't even though they will eventually become the minority party that many of their constituency have acquired an attitude where they have become the new rebel front looking to cause as much damage and obstruction as possible to the inner workings of the gov't in order to "save it from itself".

It's the 'ol "Well if we can't have it according to the rules then we'll wreck it bad enough to where we can get it back again" thingy.
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They are purging voter rolls and erecting barriers to register to vote as quickly as they can. I wouldn't count on them becoming a minority party any time soon. They are an insurgent, anti-democratic group that understands quite clearly the demographic future of the US, and what they need to do to keep control.
 
imported_tajmahal said:
It's a reflection of the public's opinion about how the Kavanaugh nomination is going.
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How so? Be specific. Also doesn't take independents into consideration.
edit: I looked at the link to the questions and there was only one question asked that was included in the article question #18 . Nothing about Kavanaugh at all.
 
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fskimospy said:
I only read excerpts from it but I think I know what you mean. Sounds like he was coached to admit nothing. He even went out of his way to emphasize that when people at those parties were drinking it was because they were of legal age. Come on man... literally no one believes you that underage drinking wasn't going on. We have all been in high school.
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His absurd denials are supremely arrogant. He believes he can get away with denying absolutely everything, and will not have to answer for any of it.

https://twitter.com/pareene/status/1044379366493425670
 
Also a potential major downside in Trump and Co shifting to attack the accusers directly, the possible/probable loss of Murkowski's vote

Republican Party leaders may be insisting that they will install Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, but Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska is offering a blunt warning of her own: Do not prejudge sexual assault allegations against the nominee that will be aired at an extraordinary public hearing on Thursday.

“We are now in a place where it’s not about whether or not Judge Kavanaugh is qualified,” Ms. Murkowski, a key swing Republican vote, said in an extended interview in the Capitol Monday night. “It is about whether or not a woman who has been a victim at some point in her life is to be believed.”
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https://nyti.ms/2N18u6C
 
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