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Katrina Evacuees Wear Out Stay in Houston

moshquerade

No Lifer
Associated Press
Wed Mar 29, 2:45 PM ET

HOUSTON - Seven months after taking in about 200,000 Louisiana residents left homeless by Hurricane Katrina, Houstonians aren't feeling so hospitable anymore.

Many people in the nation's fourth-largest city complain that the influx has led to more murders and gang violence, long lines at health clinics and bus stops, and fights and greater overcrowding in the schools. Some of those claims are debatable, but the sentiment is real.

"We still feel sorry for them. We still want to help them, but it's to the point where enough is enough," said Torah Whitaker, 25, of Missouri City, a Houston suburb.

Houston received national acclaim for accepting more Katrina evacuees than any other U.S. city. It gave them apartments, houses and health care, and held job fairs for them. Celebrities visited schools and brought gifts for the youngsters.

About 150,000 refugees remain in the greater Houston area, which has more than 4 million people. While some evacuees plan to return to Louisiana, thousands have secured their own housing and jobs and plan to make Houston their home.

But a survey last month of 765 Houston-area residents by Rice University sociologist Stephen Klineberg found that three-fourths believed that helping the refugees put a "considerable strain" on the community, and two-thirds blamed evacuees for a surge in violent crime. Half thought Houston would be worse off if evacuees stayed, while one-fourth thought the city would be better off.

The murder rate between the Katrina refugees' arrival in September and last week was up nearly 32 percent from the same period a year ago, Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt said. He said some of that is attributable to Katrina refugees, but added: "I don't mean to send the message that all Katrina evacuees are involved in drug dealing, gangs and violent offenses."

Refugees were involved ? as victims or suspects ? in 35 of the 212 murders in that time period, Hurtt said. In January, Houston police arrested eight members of rival New Orleans gangs in the murders of 11 fellow refugees. Earlier this month, half of the 18 people arrested in an auto theft sweep were evacuees.

Angelo Edwards, a storm victim from New Orleans and vice chairman of the Katrina Survivors Association, said most evacuees are law-abiding citizens trying to find jobs.

"The majority of evacuees are not thugs, looters and hoodlums," Edwards said. "We'd like for the people of Houston to walk in our shoes." If Hurricane Rita had taken a slightly different course, he added, the people of Houston "just as well could have been in our situation."

Some 21,000 students from Louisiana now attend southeastern Texas schools, including roughly 6,000 in Houston. Across the state, Louisiana children scored considerably worse than Texas youngsters on a state exam and thousands could be held back, imposing even higher costs on overburdened districts that are still awaiting federal reimbursement for helping the storm victims.

Tatiana Boone, a Houston 11th-grader, attends one of several schools where brawls have broken out between local teens and Katrina refugees.

"A city that sleeps and a city that don't sleep ? it just does not mix. It's two different cultures," the 17-year-old said, comparing Houston with the more boisterous New Orleans.

She complained that the Katrina refugees are getting preferential treatment, even though some of her classmates are even poorer than they are. Storm victims were taken on shopping sprees to buy clothes and were showered with other gifts after they arrived.

"I feel like they shouldn't have to use that as an excuse all the time, as like, `Oh, I'm an evacuee from New Orleans,' so you get this and you get that," Tatiana said.

Just after the August hurricane, the Harris County Hospital District, the agency that runs the public hospitals and health clinics in Houston and surrounding Harris County, treated 15,000 evacuees in two weeks at the Astrodome, but now sees about 800 extra patients a month, said spokesman Bryan McLeod.

The agency treats 1.2 million patients a year, so apart from the first few weeks, the number of evacuees is "not overwhelming" and is not delaying care for Houston residents, McLeod said.

Still, treating refugees has cost $11.6 million, and the district has been reimbursed only $1.6 million from the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Medicaid, he said. The district has dipped into reserve funds, he said.

Bus ridership at the Metropolitan Transit Authority was up 12 percent in October through December from the same period a year ago. Spokeswoman Raequel Roberts attributed the increase to evacuees as well as high gas prices.

Keesha Ramos of the Houston suburb of Sugar Land said she does not believe evacuees have been getting help at the expense of Houston residents. She said people should have more compassion for the storm victims.

"They're not thinking about how long it's going to take one family to get back on their feet," said Ramos, 34, a bank information analyst.

Mayor Bill White said that most Houston residents are still proud of the city's response and that only a small percentage of refugees are "bad apples."

"Everyone understands when you evacuate a major American city that some of those people will be those who committed a crime or have special needs," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060329/ap_...0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

It's understandable that Houston should only be a temporary solution for the storm victims. When there seems to be no end in sight the Houstonians have a right to get antsy.
 
Why don't the Houstonians do more to help them out? I mean, the economy is on fire, right? Why not give these people jobs and let them provide for their own housing?


Or, why not have FEMA get off their incompetent asses and utilize those thousands upon thousands of trailers sitting and collecting dust in Arkansas?
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Why don't the Houstonians do more to help them out? I mean, the economy is on fire, right? Why not give these people jobs and let them provide for their own housing?

It sounds like Houston did everything it could to help these people out. Some people you just can't help.
It gave them apartments, houses and health care, and held job fairs for them.
 
It's been seven months. However badly FEMA/the feds/La. gov't screwed up the response to Katrina, the city of Houston doesn't owe them a damn thing.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah, but it doesn't quantify that assistance.

Just give them jobs? Last time I checked jobs have to be created, they arent just handed out to the willing.

What next, the people of Houston should wipe these people's ass also?
Typical how you shift the blame from the people causing the trouble to the people complaining about it.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah, but it doesn't quantify that assistance.
Just give them jobs? Last time I checked jobs have to be created, they arent just handed out to the willing.
You missed the part where I said the economy is on fire. You Bush-God fanbois keep telling us that jobs are everywhere.

What next, the people of Houston should wipe these people's ass also?
Typical how you shift the blame from the people causing the trouble to the people complaining about it.
How am I shifting blame? All I'm asking for is a quantification of the help provided by Houston and also wondering why those trailers that could have been used to house people just about anywhere are still sitting in Arkansas.


"What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) ? this is working very well for them." ?Former First Lady Barbara Bush, on the hurricane evacuees at the Astrodome in Houston, Sept. 5, 2005
 
The people in New Orleans were all on welfare in the first place. Its not like they are going to accept a job when they can sit at home and get a check each month.
 
You missed the part where I said the economy is on fire. You Bush-God fanbois keep telling us that jobs are everywhere.

An on fire economy doesnt mean you can simply give away jobs.

How am I shifting blame? All I'm asking for is a quantification of the help provided by Houston and also wondering why those trailers that could have been used to house people just about anywhere are still sitting in Arkansas.

Why is it Houstons job to find these people a job? Your insinuation is since Houston didnt help them enough, it isnt the fault of the people they are cauing trouble.

 
Originally posted by: Genx87
You missed the part where I said the economy is on fire. You Bush-God fanbois keep telling us that jobs are everywhere.
An on fire economy doesnt mean you can simply give away jobs.
Why not offer jobs to those displaced by Katrina? Would it not help solve the problems they are having?

How am I shifting blame? All I'm asking for is a quantification of the help provided by Houston and also wondering why those trailers that could have been used to house people just about anywhere are still sitting in Arkansas.
Why is it Houstons job to find these people a job? Your insinuation is since Houston didnt help them enough, it isnt the fault of the people they are cauing trouble.
Houston willingly took in the displaced. They knew problems would arise if people didn't find their own jobs/homes.


 
Why not offer jobs to those displaced by Katrina? Would it not help solve the problems they are having?

Who is going to offer these jobs? And why only to Katrina refugee's? What is stopping these people from looking in the paper for a job?

Houston willingly took in the displaced. They knew problems would arise if people didn't find their own jobs/homes.

Well there you have it, it is Houstons fault they lent a helping hand to people in distress and some of those in distress have bit that hand.


 
Originally posted by: moshquerade
When there seems to be no end in sight the Houstonians have a right to get antsy.

If I remember right, a citizen of the USA can live in any US city. Unless Houston has some new unconstitutional law I don't know about.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Why not offer jobs to those displaced by Katrina? Would it not help solve the problems they are having?
Who is going to offer these jobs?
The fast-growing companies you and your ilk keep telling us exist.

And why only to Katrina refugee's?
Katrina refugee's what? And, btw, they are not refugees. I didn't realize they were from another country.

What is stopping these people from looking in the paper for a job?
Lack of transportation, perhaps?

Houston willingly took in the displaced. They knew problems would arise if people didn't find their own jobs/homes.
Well there you have it, it is Houstons fault they lent a helping hand to people in distress and some of those in distress have bit that hand.
:cookie:
 
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: conjur

And why only to Katrina refugee's?
Katrina refugee's what? And, btw, they are not refugees. I didn't realize they were from another country.

Why not?

"an individual seeking refuge or asylum"

Seems to be that they are.

Main Entry: ref·u·gee
Pronunciation: "re-fyu-'jE, 're-fyu-"
Function: noun
Etymology: French réfugié, past participle of (se) réfugier to take refuge, from Latin refugium
: one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution


 
If they want jobs, they just have to go 100 miles south, learn a little spanish and then enter the US illegally. Jobs O' plenty for our guest workers.

Senior Bushler is laughing as he goes to El Banco.
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: moshquerade
When there seems to be no end in sight the Houstonians have a right to get antsy.

If I remember right, a citizen of the USA can live in any US city. Unless Houston has some new unconstitutional law I don't know about.

yes, a US citizen can live anywhere they want as long as the government doesn't want said land for themselves. but, i think the point of the article is that houstonians want the evacuees to be productive members of society or to find a place where they can be.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: conjur

And why only to Katrina refugee's?
Katrina refugee's what? And, btw, they are not refugees. I didn't realize they were from another country.

Why not?

"an individual seeking refuge or asylum"

Seems to be that they are.

Main Entry: ref·u·gee
Pronunciation: "re-fyu-'jE, 're-fyu-"
Function: noun
Etymology: French réfugié, past participle of (se) réfugier to take refuge, from Latin refugium
: one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution


To be fair dictionary.com has a definition of somebody who is simply fleeing seeking safety.
 
You can't help people who refuse to help themselves.

Watch all these people who have been living on aid all this time, who claim they cant find a job, miraculously get one as soon as they stop receiving aid. Funny how that works.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: conjur

And why only to Katrina refugee's?
Katrina refugee's what? And, btw, they are not refugees. I didn't realize they were from another country.

Why not?

"an individual seeking refuge or asylum"

Seems to be that they are.

Main Entry: ref·u·gee
Pronunciation: "re-fyu-'jE, 're-fyu-"
Function: noun
Etymology: French réfugié, past participle of (se) réfugier to take refuge, from Latin refugium
: one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution


To be fair dictionary.com has a definition of somebody who is simply fleeing seeking safety.

I got this from dictionary.com (the earlier definition was from webster.com)

an individual seeking refuge or asylum; especially : an individual who has left his or her native country and is unwilling or unable to return to it because of persecution or fear of persecution (as because of race, religion, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion)

Notice that it doesn't say anything about disasters. 😉



 
Originally posted by: Train
You can't help people who refuse to help themselves.

Watch all these people who have been living on aid all this time, who claim they cant find a job, miraculously get one as soon as they stop receiving aid. Funny how that works.
Hmm...listening to people like you we'd expect unemployment in New Orleans pre-Katrina to be about 60-70%.

:roll:
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Train
You can't help people who refuse to help themselves.

Watch all these people who have been living on aid all this time, who claim they cant find a job, miraculously get one as soon as they stop receiving aid. Funny how that works.
Hmm...listening to people like you we'd expect unemployment in New Orleans pre-Katrina to be about 60-70%.

:roll:




Is there any way to check 😀
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Train
You can't help people who refuse to help themselves.

Watch all these people who have been living on aid all this time, who claim they cant find a job, miraculously get one as soon as they stop receiving aid. Funny how that works.
Hmm...listening to people like you we'd expect unemployment in New Orleans pre-Katrina to be about 60-70%.

:roll:
no, theres a cutoff point, something like 12 or 18 months, depends on that states laws. Some people will actually cycle 12 months working, 6 months not working, for years. For people who milk the system, it's like earning a vacation day for every two days on the job.
 
Conjur

If things are SO BAD as you claim them to be, I say next time Houston or any other city shouldn't give ANY help to displaced people.

Your comments are so emotional, you fail to ignore the facts.

If the 200,000 displaced citizens still dont have jobs, or the number that get jobs each month has flatlined, its time to assume that they probably wont find jobs or dont want to.

You cant expect the people of Houston to keep those people there indefinetly. That is unfair to the city of Houston and its citizens, dont you think?
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Train
You can't help people who refuse to help themselves.

Watch all these people who have been living on aid all this time, who claim they cant find a job, miraculously get one as soon as they stop receiving aid. Funny how that works.
Hmm...listening to people like you we'd expect unemployment in New Orleans pre-Katrina to be about 60-70%.

:roll:
Is there any way to check 😀
Sure.

http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/data.exe/blsla/lauMT22353803
2005 01 5.9
2005 02 5.3
2005 03 4.5
2005 04 4.1
2005 05 4.7
2005 06 6.1
2005 07 6.0
2005 08 5.6
2005 09 16.5
2005 10 16.9
2005 11 17.1
2005 12 8.2
2006 01 7.8
So, Train is just full of sh*t, as usual, in his rantings. What else to expect from a Limbaught.
 
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