Kate Steinle’s accused killer found not guilty

[J.Wilkins]

On the outside yeh... one could see this as an illegal immigrant witchhunt. However, this guy was deported several times. He had multiple felonies. His story about finding a gun and having it accidently go off is bullshit. If this were anywhere else other than San Francisco he would be a convicted murderer.

SO WHAT? How does the act in itself and intent or lack thereof change on the basis of this and if it DOES NOT then how is it even relevant?

What if he was brown eyed and you didn't allow brown eyed people, would that solve the problem too? How about if he had no fucking gun or is that just not possible while exclusion on other terms is because you know... they are then part of "them"?

The reason why it works as an argument is because he's one of "them" while the argument for gun control doesn't work is because it would affect you and not just "them".

This argument was literally invented because of this and it discards one part of the truth (because you don't like it) and replaces that part with one that is actually completely irrelevant (heritage).

What you are all arguing for is Göbbels argument.

 

[werepossum]

She was smoking. Do you know how many people die from second hand smoke?

Sweet Lord, the prosecutor should have known there is no way a San Fran jury is going to convict an illegal immigrant of killing a white woman if she's smoking. Hell, just think how many innocent lives he saved!

 

[Thebobo]

She was smoking. Do you know how many people die from second hand smoke?

He should!

 

[Zaap]

The bullet entered an open rear window and instantly killed the victim. It took several months and a massive amount of police resources, but they did eventually find the shooter and charged him with involuntary homicide. (Presumably he wasn't a member of a protected victim class.)

Hell, here in LA every year people are killed from idiots (mostly gang-banger types) shooting guns into the air on New Years and the 4th and such, from bullets raining back to earth and striking people. The sentence absolutely is manslaughter if someones dies from a stray bullet you fired in the air- and it's at least a year in prison if caught even if no one was hit.

This case amazes me on many levels- because the "we're gonna get tough on guns!!!!!!!!!!" grabber-crowd you would think would see this as an opportunity to practice what they say they believe. That they would actually do anything about needless gun violence. But once again- the guy's immigration status trumps even the MAKE BELIEVE bullshit about getting tough on guns.

I've long believed it- the left doesn't give a flying shit about felons and criminals with guns. Their man concern is disarming law abiding citizens. This case is TEXTBOOK illustration of that if you can't bring yourself to not at least scratch your head how this guy didn't get at least a manslaughter conviction.

Zero tolerance on gun violence... ohhhhh except if the PC playbook dictates otherwise, then... blind eye.

 

[werepossum]

Hell, here in LA every year people are killed from idiots shooting guns into the air on New Years and the 4th and such, from bullets raining back to earth and striking people. The sentence absolutely is manslaughter if someones dies from a stray bullet you fired in the air- and it's at least a year in prison if caught even if no one was hit.

This case amazes me on many levels- because the "we're gonna get tough on guns!!!!!!!!!!" grabber-crowd you would think would see this as an opportunity to practice what they say they believe. That they would actually do anything about needless gun violence. But once again- the guy's immigration status trumps even the MAKE BELIEVE bullshit about getting tough on guns.

I've long believed it- the left doesn't give a flying shit about felons and criminals with guns. Their man concern is disarming law abiding citizens. This case is TEXTBOOK illustration of that if you can't bring yourself to not at least scratch your head how this guy didn't get at least a manslaughter conviction.

Zero tolerance on gun violence... ohhhhh except if the PC playbook dictates otherwise, then... blind eye.

Well, they did convict him of illegally possessing a gun. I believe that in their particular pathology, they believe that was the crime, because once he possessed a gun, people were inevitably going to be killed. By the gun, of course. Those things'll jump right up in your face.

 

[sdifox]

Hell, here in LA every year people are killed from idiots (mostly gang-banger types) shooting guns into the air on New Years and the 4th and such, from bullets raining back to earth and striking people. The sentence absolutely is manslaughter if someones dies from a stray bullet you fired in the air- and it's at least a year in prison if caught even if no one was hit.

This case amazes me on many levels- because the "we're gonna get tough on guns!!!!!!!!!!" grabber-crowd you would think would see this as an opportunity to practice what they say they believe. That they would actually do anything about needless gun violence. But once again- the guy's immigration status trumps even the MAKE BELIEVE bullshit about getting tough on guns.

I've long believed it- the left doesn't give a flying shit about felons and criminals with guns. Their man concern is disarming law abiding citizens. This case is TEXTBOOK illustration of that if you can't bring yourself to not at least scratch your head how this guy didn't get at least a manslaughter conviction.

Zero tolerance on gun violence... ohhhhh except if the PC playbook dictates otherwise, then... blind eye.

So the Federal Ranger that owns the gun that got stolen will also be charged for improper storage of firearm?

 

[J.Wilkins]

So the Federal Ranger that owns the gun that got stolen will also be charged for improper storage of firearm?

LOL, no, this isn't about guns at all, it never ever, ever, ever, ever IS.

And that is why nothing can EVER be done.

 

[sandorski]

Hell, here in LA every year people are killed from idiots (mostly gang-banger types) shooting guns into the air on New Years and the 4th and such, from bullets raining back to earth and striking people. The sentence absolutely is manslaughter if someones dies from a stray bullet you fired in the air- and it's at least a year in prison if caught even if no one was hit.

This case amazes me on many levels- because the "we're gonna get tough on guns!!!!!!!!!!" grabber-crowd you would think would see this as an opportunity to practice what they say they believe. That they would actually do anything about needless gun violence. But once again- the guy's immigration status trumps even the MAKE BELIEVE bullshit about getting tough on guns.

I've long believed it- the left doesn't give a flying shit about felons and criminals with guns. Their man concern is disarming law abiding citizens. This case is TEXTBOOK illustration of that if you can't bring yourself to not at least scratch your head how this guy didn't get at least a manslaughter conviction.

Zero tolerance on gun violence... ohhhhh except if the PC playbook dictates otherwise, then... blind eye.

t hat's because most of us are not raving lunatics.

 

[sdifox]

Sweet Lord, the prosecutor should have known there is no way a San Fran jury is going to convict an illegal immigrant of killing a white woman if she's smoking. Hell, just think how many innocent lives he saved!

Charging him with involuntary manslaughter from the beginning probably would have been proper and much better chance of conviction.

Also, I was not really commenting on the case, rather I was mocking slowy

 

[Thebobo]

Hell, here in LA every year people are killed from idiots (mostly gang-banger types) shooting guns into the air on New Years and the 4th and such, from bullets raining back to earth and striking people. The sentence absolutely is manslaughter if someones dies from a stray bullet you fired in the air- and it's at least a year in prison if caught even if no one was hit.
.

I thought they tested that on Mythbusters saying it wouldn't kill a person? Ahh ok found it this is what they say.


Bullets fired into the air maintain their lethal capability when they eventually fall back down.
BUSTED / PLAUSIBLE / CONFIRMED

In the case of a bullet fired at a precisely vertical angle (something extremely difficult for a human being to duplicate), the bullet would tumble, lose its spin, and fall at a much slower speed due to terminal velocity and is therefore rendered less than lethal on impact. However, if a bullet is fired upward at a non-vertical angle (a far more probable possibility), it will maintain its spin and will reach a high enough speed to be lethal on impact. Because of this potentiality, firing a gun into the air is illegal in most states, and even in the states that it is legal, it is not recommended by the police. Also the MythBusters were able to identify two people who had been injured by falling bullets, one of them fatally injured.

(This is the only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.)

 

[fskimospy]

Some of us would be so incredibly far right as to actually imply that a police officer might possibly have a right to go armed that a five time-deported illegal alien felon doesn't have, if you can believe that.

tl/dr: Dumbass

If that’s what you got from my post you are very stupid.

 

[fskimospy]

Certainly his immigration status was all that mattered to the jury. If a law abiding NRA member had killed an innocent woman with a ricochet they'd be inventing new levels of homicide for which to convict him.

Conservatives sound very oppressed yet again.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Conservatives sound very oppressed yet again.

Yeah, if this had been a white guy, they would have loved the verdict but in reality, the outcome would for the dead woman would have been exactly the same.

I take back my earlier response, this seems to be mainly about race/ethnicity to the Nazi crowd.

I'm just wondering how the ethnicity would change the outcome and make it more righteous/good. I really don't get the angle they are pushing.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Certainly his immigration status was all that mattered to the jury. If a law abiding NRA member had killed an innocent woman with a ricochet they'd be inventing new levels of homicide for which to convict him.

You know jack shit about what mattered to that jury.

 

[shortylickens]

You know jack shit about what mattered to that jury.

Thats a very crude way to make a solid point.

Unless somebody on the jury came out and talked to a reporter about what went on in that room, we have no idea what their mindset was.

And if they did, I think they may have committed a serious crime.
That whiny piece of shit Marcia Clark complained the OJ jury voted with their emotions but she doesnt give a flying fuck about that. If she had gotten the conviction she wanted then emotions would have been just fine for her.

 

[zinfamous]

if it was a illegal white guy that has been deported back to the UK 7 times and with a lengthy record. im pretty sure that the same arguments would be valid. but hey lets be assholes and throw race into this and ignore the actual details of the crime.

uh, I think you're going to want to go back and think about that one, lol.

 

[Ichinisan]

It's true though, if this was an accident where a white guy had an accident with a gun there would be no debate, hell it wouldn't even be news and you KNOW THAT.

You really believe that?

 

[nixium]

Now it seems he’s going to get deported, but that just means he’s going to sneak back across the border again. So basically got off scot free. And SF will welcome him in whether open arms lol.

 

[nixium]

I’m actually surprised they’re honoring a federal arrest warrant now, isn’t he supposed to be let loose in the city as it’s a “sanctuary”?

Liberals boot licking of illegals continues, I thought it was bad enough that they wanted to give rights and welfare and prioritize illegals over legal immigrants, fuck now they’re letting them get away with murder too damn.

 

[nixium]

And the real kicker - no change in the sanctuary city policies at all! This asshole could be released all over again because they only will notify ICE in case of convictions of violence, which he clearly didn’t get. So basically this scum can sneak back into the country, go back into SF and still be released. Upon which he can go shoot off a few more people and idiot SF jury bleeding hearts will probably acquit again.

 

[brycejones]

And Nixium tags into the thread

 

[Zaap]

So the Federal Ranger that owns the gun that got stolen will also be charged for improper storage of firearm?

Tell me again where it says anywhere a law enforcement officer can't have his service weapon stored in a backpack, under the seat of his own vehicle? Can you actually quote anything, or is this another fiction the left is making up? If there's some law that says a police officer can't carry his weapon in his vehicle that this person is actually in violation of, cite it, and if he's guilty of it, I'd say prosecute him to the fullest. I'll wait for you actually cite it.

A more relevant question you won't dare answer, based on laws that actually DO exist: are the city officials that released this felon from prison going to answer for their responsibility in what happened due to their lawless sanctuary city policies? You gonna hold them accountable, or just business as usual?

 

[Zaap]

I thought they tested that on Mythbusters saying it wouldn't kill a person? Ahh ok found it this is what they say.

Nope, not a myth in the least, unfortunately. I love Mythbusters, but I think anyone thinking of this as some unfounded myth is operating from a cartoon version of what may happen when shooting a gun in the air. It's not always along the lines of the bullet just traveling perfectly straight up, stopping, and then tumbling back to earth. Often a bullet will arc along an angular trajectory (think of a miniature mortar round) and most certainly maintain enough velocity to kill someone.

The point is only, of course that sort of thing is a clear case of manslaughter when someone dies, and heavily punishable even when someone doesn't.

This felon shooting at seals or whatever other bullshit he claims- with a stolen weapon no less, in my OP is the same sort of recklessness that deserves a similar sentence.

 

[sdifox]

Tell me again where it says anywhere a law enforcement officer can't have his service weapon stored in a backpack, under the seat of his own vehicle? Can you actually quote anything, or is this another fiction the left is making up? If there's some law that says a police officer can't carry his weapon in his vehicle that this person is actually in violation of, cite it, and if he's guilty of it, I'd say prosecute him to the fullest. I'll wait for you actually cite it.

A more relevant question you won't dare answer, based on laws that actually DO exist: are the city officials that released this felon from prison going to answer for their responsibility in what happened to their lawless sanctuary city policies? You gonna hold them accountable, or just business as usual?

ah, so safe storage only applies to plebs.

as to sanctuary city there are case laws. Two examples Printz v. United States (1997) and New York v. United States (1992)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-and-sanctuary-cities/?utm_term=.da33fc1312b7

 

[Victorian Gray]

For some it's apparently it's too much of a stretch to consider that the prosecutor simply didn't make their case. If the jury didn't give a shit perhaps someone can explain why they deliberated for 6 days.