Karzai blames "the west" for fraud in Afghan elections

[woolfe9999]

Leftist fucks have no moral compass.

Leftists are far more likely to oppose the war there than people on the right. This contradiction between your constant profane bashing of the left and your own opposition to the war probably doesn't cause you to experience any cognitive disonance, but it does lower your credibility as a rational commentator on this or any other issue.

- wolf

 

[Noobtastic]

Leftists are far more likely to oppose the war there than people on the right. This contradiction between your constant profane bashing of the left and your own opposition to the war probably doesn't cause you to experience any cognitive disonance, but it does lower your credibility as a rational commentator on this or any other issue.

- wolf

I see very little resistance to the Afghan war now that Obama is in town.

Look at Jn. Lauding Pakistan and Obama's policy towards it.

Feel free to respond to the rest of my post.

 

[cyclohexane]

wait a minute. Didn't we rig the elections so he'd win? Why the hell is he complaining?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

wait a minute. Didn't we rig the elections so he'd win? Why the hell is he complaining?

Because he got caught and needs to blame someone else. The US has more control in Afghanistan, and therefore we're it.

You are thinking like an American. Stop that

 

[woolfe9999]

I see very little resistance to the Afghan war now that Obama is in town.

Look at Jn. Lauding Pakistan and Obama's policy towards it.

Feel free to respond to the rest of my post.

The only resistance to the Iraq war in Congress was Ron Paul plus 5 other republicans, and 126 democrats, basically constituting the progressives (i.e. leftist wing) of the democratic party, that same group which tends to be the most critical of Israel. It boggles my mind that you are can bash these wars and bash leftists in the same breath. You hate the leftists because they are critical of Israel, but these same leftists tend to oppose the Iraq war and the Afghan surge.

- wolf

 

[Noobtastic]

The only resistance to the Iraq war in Congress was Ron Paul plus 5 other republicans, and 126 democrats, basically constituting the progressives (i.e. leftist wing) of the democratic party, that same group which tends to be the most critical of Israel. It boggles my mind that you are can bash these wars and bash leftists in the same breath. You hate the leftists because they are critical of Israel, but these same leftists tend to oppose the Iraq war and the Afghan surge.

- wolf

These leftist do not oppose the Afghan war. Obama - the ultimate marxist - is releasing mega mulla to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. F16s under directions of Obama hit targets in yemen during Operation Scorched Earth, kill 200 yemenis.

This in February of 2010.

I don't hate the leftist because they hate Israel, I hate the left because they have no moral principals. They march lock-step with homicidal Islamists like Obama does, and then condemn progressive states like Israel in the name of "human rights."

I oppose the Iraq and Afghanistan war because it is wrong and those states pose no threat to our existence. I don't oppose the wars simply out of ideology or partisan politics like the Left.

 

[Jhhnn]

Obama campaigned on the promise that he'd carry the fight to the Taliban in Pakistan, and he has, in addition to renewed effort in Afghanistan. He said all this before he was elected.

"The Left", as others put it, hasn't been against the Afghan effort nearly so much as against the way it's been handled in the past, a half-assed way to create perpetual quagmire and make money off it. The Bush Clan had their eyes on the real prize, Iraq, and left the Afghan situation to fester, quite knowingly.

Any body who can look at a globe will understand that Pakistan is our only real access to Afghanistan. The corrupt central asian dictatorships to the north are entirely unreliable, and landlocked, as well. Well, unless we want to reach an accord with the Iranians, which seems unlikely.

And for a guy who regularly raves on about how Israel doesn't need the US, IHV sure is whining about what they're not getting...

 

[Noobtastic]

Obama campaigned on the promise that he'd carry the fight to the Taliban in Pakistan, and he has, in addition to renewed effort in Afghanistan. He said all this before he was elected.

"The Left", as others put it, hasn't been against the Afghan effort nearly so much as against the way it's been handled in the past, a half-assed way to create perpetual quagmire and make money off it. The Bush Clan had their eyes on the real prize, Iraq, and left the Afghan situation to fester, quite knowingly.

Any body who can look at a globe will understand that Pakistan is our only real access to Afghanistan. The corrupt central asian dictatorships to the north are entirely unreliable, and landlocked, as well. Well, unless we want to reach an accord with the Iranians, which seems unlikely.

And for a guy who regularly raves on about how Israel doesn't need the US, IHV sure is whining about what they're not getting...

Nah, I'm whining about how you bash Israel because of its exemplary policies towards the Palestinians, but support Obama and his love-affair with Pakistan which treats civilians living under the Taliban like the Nazis treated the Jews.

You have any idea how RUTHLESS Pakistan is towards enemies? You remember the genocide in 1971, when Pakistani military raped 100,000 people and exterminated over 200,000, mostly intellectuals and hindus in Dhaka?

This is what our government supports. This is what Obama supports.

And because Obama is The One, Jhhnn is pleased. Absolutely disgusting. Pakistan is a corrupt dictatorship that has wasted most of the money we have given it, and at the same time sponsors enemies that have implicated in murdering American civilians and soldiers.

Where is the outrage? A palestinian trips over a rock and its ethnic cleansing, and Pakistan murders 150 people and bulldozes entire villages in half an hour...SILENCE. Afghanistan poses NO THREAT to our country, none whatsoever. Saudi Arabia and Iran are more of a threat.

 

[werepossum]

Of course he's incompetent, but that never mattered. The Afghans people as a whole never wanted a centralized government. People there joked about the "President of Kabul", meaning that there was never a "Presidency" except in name.

In the ME a leader can be criminal. He can be incompetent. He can be a great many things, but he cannot afford to lose face. To prevent that, Karzai will do just what he did.

I think one of the most difficult things is for Americans to understand other cultures without insisting that ours is the "best" and that every one else really wants to be "Little Americans".

Karzai is doing what's expected, and senior analysts and diplomats understand precisely what's happening, well if they are worth their pay they do.

We do not call the shots by any means and we never did. The goal is to make Afghanistan less of a threat, and if Karzai can make a deal with the Taliban to not make the country as bad as it was, that's what we're going to have to accept.

This, in spades. People seem to think our object is to create a democratic republic like our own, or at least like Iraq's. It is not. Afghanistan is a shithole and as the most fundamentalist Islamic country will likely always be a shithole. Our goal is simply to turn it into a shithole that does not attack us, or harbor those who do so.

 

[halik]

Why, I guess I don't see much on the news shows I happen to watch. Now it's not necessarily unusual that there are things I miss, but I can usually rely on somebody to post something here (P&N). That didn't happen either.

What channel is that show "Democracy Now" broadcast on? It doesn't look familiar to me. Edit: NM, I found the info, it's not a "MSM" program)

Fern

NPR, though it's the most biased piece NPR carries. Definitely not unbiased, objective journalism that NPR strives for.

 

[Noobtastic]

NPR, though it's the most biased piece NPR carries. Definitely not unbiased, objective journalism that NPR strives for.

Democracy Now is a joke. They libel democracies and apologize for the enemies of the West.

 

[nonlnear]

Because he got caught and needs to blame someone else. The US has more control in Afghanistan, and therefore we're it.

You are thinking like an American. Stop that

Not only that, but the USA is a convenient punching bag with the inability to retaliate politically or otherwise. Karzai's strength is his weakness. If he had the country further down the road to stable government there's no way he would risk inciting the US to leave, but as long as he is totally impotent he can fence-fight with his protectors all he wants.

 

[kylebisme]

Since you mention it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE_1tCasi_Q

On the same issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIL-uFB7cIc