Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
There it is again. Bluster, rhetoric, accusation, noise... And no evidence. But then again it's the seriousness of the charrge that really matters, right?
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Karl Rove possibly tried for perjury?
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There it is again. Bluster, rhetoric, accusation, noise... And no evidence. But then again it's the seriousness of the charrge that really matters, right?
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
Who lost their life over this? What damage was done?
You're citing a two year old story from a left wing news organization (was that redundant?) speculating about what might happen as a result of her being "outed" immediately after it happened.
Current events seem to indicate that she wasn't a NOC and hadn't been one for some time prior to her being found out.
I know you guys want to "get" Dubbya and Rove more than life itself but wanting something to be true doesn't actually make it true.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Bbond, they don't care. This is all a video game to them.
Bowfinger
Lifer
You dont know Plame wasn't a NOC, or that Brewster Jennings was no longer an effective cover. You have a few comments from unidentified sources with unknown agendas supporting your apologist bias, so you pounce on them like a starving dog on a scrap. It doesn't matter there is plenty of contradictory evidence. It doesn't matter that you are completely unqualified to assess the impact. You start with the conclusion that BushCo is innocent and reject all evidence to the contrary. You insist your partisan opinion is the one and only truth, and attack anyone who suggests otherwise.
In my opinion, it is you and your ilk who are the real danger to America. You are far more dangerous than any external force, limited to destroying lives and property. You and the other mindless Bush apologists can destroy our very principles. You are rotting America from within, sacrificing truth and justice for blind partisanship. One can only hope we are strong enough to survive you.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
It's about all one can expect these days from the Desparatos.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Why don't YOU provide an answer Bowfinger?
Bowfinger writes in this thread:
Idiotrollicus giganticus, I do believe.
No kidding. What a bunch of slimeballs.
In my opinion, it is you and your ilk who are the real danger to America. You are far more dangerous than any external force, limited to destroying lives and property. You and the other mindless Bush apologists can destroy our very principles. You are rotting America from within, sacrificing truth and justice for blind partisanship. One can only hope we are strong enough to survive you.
Maybe you should look in the mirror prior to calling the kettle "black?"
Bowfinger
Lifer
ROFL. It's really interesting to note what Sir Chicken left out, from my prior post, for example:
- You dont know Plame wasn't a NOC, or that Brewster Jennings was no longer an effective cover. You have a few comments from unidentified sources with unknown agendas supporting your apologist bias, so you pounce on them like a starving dog on a scrap. It doesn't matter there is plenty of contradictory evidence. It doesn't matter that you are completely unqualified to assess the impact. You start with the conclusion that BushCo is innocent and reject all evidence to the contrary. You insist your partisan opinion is the one and only truth, and attack anyone who suggests otherwise.
More to the point (that's those things Chicken keeps avoiding), of course, is that gratuitous attacks are only one of many cards I play. I'm sure pretty most everyone here (except Chicken, of course) can remember dozens of threads where I desconstructed someone's claims point by point, directly addressing each one head on. I'm equally comfortable most people here know I don't run when challenged, a claim Chicken can only dream of. He's infamous for running away when his latest BS is soundly refuted.
Sorry, Sir Chicken, you'll have to do better than that. Oh, by the way, you still didn't address any points. Just another of your signature diversions.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Finger, you haven't made any points but are basing what little partisan ranting you have made in this thread on, as yet, unproven allegations.
What do you say above? Well let's deconstruct that?
You dont know Plame wasn't a NOC, or that Brewster Jennings was no longer an effective cover.
No, he doesn't know that for a fact. But he made a good case for it, which you just completely blew off and ignored because, well, Blowfinger says so and provided nothing that contradicts what he said besides your usual puffery. Points to Blowfinger for that comment = 0
You have a few comments from unidentified sources with unknown agendas supporting your apologist bias, so you pounce on them like a starving dog on a scrap.
Funny how you dismiss the comments from unidentified sources on this issue without any proof whatsoever, yet you're more than willing to to support identified sources and those with a partisan agenda concerning Rove. Then you finish with a nice little gratuitous attack, likening the poster to a dog.
Points to Blowfinger for that "deconstruction" = 0
It doesn't matter there is plenty of contradictory evidence. It doesn't matter that you are completely unqualified to assess the impact. You start with the conclusion that BushCo is innocent and reject all evidence to the contrary. You insist your partisan opinion is the one and only truth, and attack anyone who suggests otherwise.
What contradictory evidence? You've show nothing so it's pure bluster and puffery yet again. You are completely unqualiied to determine if the poster is qualified. You start with the conclusion that BushCo is guilty and reject anything or anyone that may comment to the contrary. Then you attack anyone that presents any commentary to the contrary and dismiss them with pure blowhard rhetoric that has absolutely ZERO content. Every one of your posts generally boils down to "Because I say so" and then goes on to a gratuitous personal attack, if you even get as far as puffing up and exclaiming "Because I say so."
Looks like you've been deconstructed, Finger.
0 points for you.
Sorry - I'm sure we were just trying to speak your language; after all, bluster, rhetoric, accusation and noise is a staple of neocon argumentation, no? (See: Swift Boat Veterans for "Truth", Karl Rove, George W. Bush, etc.)
Shorter whoozeyourdaddy: "Oh, but she wasn't James Bond, and 'people kinda knew' anyway, so it's totally OK that her administration took a personally retributive action against her and her husband and outed her identity! Heil Rove! Heil Bush!"
Whatever.
Personally, I think it's premature for glory on either side; current history suggests that the neocons get away with whatever they pull, so we liberals shouldn't get too excited - we might jinx it. On the other side, the neocons ought not get too smug, because there is a significant amount of evidence pointing towards a very serious charge, and it does no one any good to try to dismiss it as irrelevant or overblown. This is definitely a wait-and-see situation.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Well history suggests that the liberals get all giddy over any potential cracks in the neocon veneer and begin making premature proclamations that ultimately backfire on them. It's not that the neocons would be that successful if the liberals didn't consistently shoot themselves in the foot on practically every issue. They don't even seem to notice they are running out of bullets quickly.
If they'd clean their own house first and get of a good portion of the chaff in their ranks then people could possibly take them seriously. As it stands now, and has been for some time, they are mostly just a lot of noise and bluster that the mainstream blocks out.
My take on this is that Rove, Bush, at al, will end up walking away scott-free and ultimately the loonie left, like they did with Rathergate, will invent conspiracy theories claiming this was all a machination of the evil Rove in the first place to bring down Scary Larry O'Donnell.
We'll see.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
Did you even read my post?
As for you Bowfinger...
I could say the exact same thing for you except that you are taking the opposite approach where Dubbya/Rove et. al. is automatically guilty. You don't know that she WAS a NOC when Novak wrote his column. You are every bit as unqualified to asses the impact as I am.
I take offense at the starving dog reference. I haven't been defending anyone here. As a matter of fact I've said that if it's true then there should be consequences.
I also don't see where I've been attacking anyone. I've advised you to use caution and to not work yourselves up into a rabid froth based on one unsubstantiated comment from one guy on a syndicated news show and that you might want to hold off on the celebration until all the facts come out. But I certainly haven't attacked anyone.
Now that's an attack. Mindless Bush apologists? The biggest danger to America?
Dare I say... Whatever? :disgust:
And you really think the way the Republicans pushed the lying Swift Vote stormtroopers, and the way they did the same thing when they labeled Max Cleland, a quadrapegic, veteran who only gave four limbs for his country, a traitor, weren't worse?
All we know for sure is that Valerie Plame's identity was obviously leaked, and there is very strong evidence the leak came from the Whitehouse, and Rove's name is one of those most closely publically named as a probable source. Until we know more, the entire rest of the Whitehouse staff, up to and including the President, are highly suspect.
You still haven't posted anything to refute the evidence linking the leak directly to the Whitehouse, and you still haven't had the balls, let alone the ethics, to condemn the act of leaking the identity of a CIA covert agent, itself, regardless of who the source is.
Of course, if the charges are true, it's only a small matter of TREASON and MAJOR BREACH OF NATIONAL SECURITY. If you're trying to convince us that no self respecting "conservative" would give a sh8 about such trival matters if they got in the way of holding onto political power, you're doing a fine job. :|
Hossenfeffer
Diamond Member
OK, slight detour, but I laughed out loud thinking of:
:music:BloooooowFINGaaaaaaaaaaah:music:
😉
Personally, the thought that Rove could be truly named as a source and be spanked for it makes me salivate. The kind of crap that he's pulled... the Max Cleland attacks... the push-polling against McCain... ugh... would LOVE for this to be true. Nothing for me to do but wait and see.
:music:BloooooowFINGaaaaaaaaaaah:music:
😉
Personally, the thought that Rove could be truly named as a source and be spanked for it makes me salivate. The kind of crap that he's pulled... the Max Cleland attacks... the push-polling against McCain... ugh... would LOVE for this to be true. Nothing for me to do but wait and see.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
If the swifties are such liars, then why hasn't Kerry still released his military record to the public? He supposedly signed the Form 180, but restricted access to all but a couple of newspapers and they won't make the record public. What's JK got to hide?
As far as Cleland, who in politics called him a traitor? That's yet another invention of the left. Just because he's a triple amputee it does that mean he's somehow immune from having his voting record questioned. Questioning his voting record is not the same thing as calling him a traitor.
Novak cited 2 senior Bush administration officials. We don't know that they were Whitehouse staff. At this point all we really know is what Novak claimed, nothing more. Don't the lefties love to proclaim "Innocent until proven guilty?" If so, it seems mighty hypocritical to be slamming the gavel down this early, and long before any actual facts have been presented.
I don't have the balls?
LOL. Do you really feel it necessary to jump on your high horse and cajole someone, using such banal accusations, to state the obvious? How ridiculous.
Actually, it's not treason, but keep telling yourself it is so you can be set up for disappointment when the charge isn't levied.
And since you seem so concerned about breeches of national security, where were you when Sandy "the sock burglar" Burger was stuffing secret documents down his 'breeches?' Are you going to call for his trial for treason next? I'm sure you don't want to appear hypocritical, right?
g8wayrebel
Senior member
ROFL at the finger pointing and childish reactions over speculation.
g8wayrebel
Senior member
I read too much already.
Here's my take on it. No one knows for sure at this point who the "outer" is. If it is KR , then he and everyone who was involved should be tried for treason(reporter included). If Bush new , he should be impeached and tried as well.
I am a right winger , but this can't be tolerated to any degree.
As far as Gitmo goes , the whole purpose of having it in the location it is in was to avoid American soil and the rights and responsibilities that come with it. If they are enemies and have information that can save lives and benefit this country or the world , do what you must...PERIOD!. Including whiping your ass with the Koran if it makes them talk. Whether or not we should be in Iraq is irrelevant to the conversation at this point. We are there and no civilized citizen in this world can afford for us to lose now that we are. The people we are dealing with there are hateful and will kill us at all cost, therefore, I reiterate ...DO WHAT YOU MUST to achieve results.
Here's my take on it. No one knows for sure at this point who the "outer" is. If it is KR , then he and everyone who was involved should be tried for treason(reporter included). If Bush new , he should be impeached and tried as well.
I am a right winger , but this can't be tolerated to any degree.
As far as Gitmo goes , the whole purpose of having it in the location it is in was to avoid American soil and the rights and responsibilities that come with it. If they are enemies and have information that can save lives and benefit this country or the world , do what you must...PERIOD!. Including whiping your ass with the Koran if it makes them talk. Whether or not we should be in Iraq is irrelevant to the conversation at this point. We are there and no civilized citizen in this world can afford for us to lose now that we are. The people we are dealing with there are hateful and will kill us at all cost, therefore, I reiterate ...DO WHAT YOU MUST to achieve results.
Err...
Maybe you should read up on him a bit more; his political tactics are nothing to be respected, at all.
For instance, when Bush was running for governor of Texas a long while back, Rove claimed that Bush's incumbent opponent was a lesbian. Respectable?
For another example, when Bush was competing against McCain for the Republican presidential nomination in 2000, Rove claimed that McCain had father an illegitimate black child. Respectable?
totalcommand
Platinum Member
Respect him as an opponent, or you lose.
Respect him as an opponent, or you lose.
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