Its funny how right-wingers complain about liberal bias in education, but oddly enough very few become teachers. Or they complain about the low pay and long hours of being a teacher for why they don't become, while at the same time complain about teachers unions and pay raises for teachers.
StageLeft
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There may be more to this. It sounds a bit iffy, though. Schools and admins are huge bastions of liberalism, though, so to be critical of their saviors you must have courage or stupidity, but in any case you won't be looked upon favorably.
That said, I don't know how anybody could have a mccain/palin sticker, either. Damn she dumb!
That said, I don't know how anybody could have a mccain/palin sticker, either. Damn she dumb!
It's possible they become teachers and then they get "turned". Afterall, how many people in a union, holding the state hostage, are going to be able to live with themselves if they hold the strong view that the union should be disbanded, thus costing them money?
jonks
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"Latham says he supported McCain because of the Arizona senator's military service and lengthy political experience. He admitted to offering students critical viewpoints of Obama due to his lack of experience compared to McCain."
Sounds like a personal viewpoint to me. America was well aware of each candidates experience when it voted overwhelmingly for Obama. He wasn't "teaching" anyone anything, he was venting.
But hey, go kansas!
Sounds like a personal viewpoint to me. America was well aware of each candidates experience when it voted overwhelmingly for Obama. He wasn't "teaching" anyone anything, he was venting.
But hey, go kansas!
There is a bit more to this story. He is very political no much question on that. If do a search you'll come across other links that go into more detail. He has no issue it seems of showing his conservative views. Now there is nothing wrong with that untill it goes into the classroom, which it looks like it very well did. There is also an accusation that has been floated he compared Obama to Hitler, a notion floated quite a bit during the campaign by hard right republicans. If a school district in red blood Kansas, which heavily voted McCain, let a 19 year veteran teacher go after one year, clearly he did more than just say vote McCain.
*Also I can't say whether or not he should have been fired. But just based on the state itself, if they did let him go and it surrounded his political behavior, he had to have went way too far.
*Also I can't say whether or not he should have been fired. But just based on the state itself, if they did let him go and it surrounded his political behavior, he had to have went way too far.
Yet another missed opportunity. He could have presented the pros and cons of experience to his class. Although it seems counterintuitive, experience can be a hindrance (read, doing the things the old way). So far, the current president's 'inexperienced' actions are proving this correct. He could have encouraged his students to think about what other attributes might qualify a candidate for a particular office.
I think you're on to something...
Amused
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Update below...
Hey Perk, thanks for politically censoring my post and making it PC... but it turns out he WAS fired for his political views and now has his job back.
Please do NOT edit my titles for content when they do NOT violate the TOS here. The topic title was PART of MY commentary. If my commentary is banned, than it's true that P&N is edited by the moderators for political content.
Please don't do this again.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528484,00.html
Kansas Teacher With Conservative Views Gets Job Back
Tuesday, June 23, 2009
By Joshua Rhett Miller
Tim Latham
A high school teacher in Kansas who claimed his contract was not renewed due to his conservative political views has been reinstated.
Tim Latham, 44, who was told that his school-affiliated Web site was "too patriotic," will return this fall to the 2,000-student Lawrence High School in Lawrence, Kan., where he'll continue teaching American history and government for a second consecutive year. Since the contract renewal became official late last week, Latham, a teaching veteran of 20 years, said he's received countless well-wishes from students and teachers alike.
"My cell phone just went off again," Latham told FOXNews.com on Tuesday. "I have received well over 1,000 e-mails, comments on my Facebook page, personal letters and phone calls, not only from all over the country, but from all over the world. I even had a guy who wrote me from China, saying he could see this happening in China, but not here."
Latham, who was criticized by a student for not airing President Obama's inaugural address during class, filed a grievance with his school district earlier this month after he was told in April that his contract would not be renewed.
The married father of three had claimed school officials violated his contract by not conducting proper reviews ? four 20-minute in-class evaluations throughout the year ? and said school administrators were looking for a way to get rid of him due to his personal politics.
But Latham was informed last Thursday by District Superintendent Randy Weseman that there were "inconsistencies in the evaluation process" and that his contract would be renewed for 2009-10. Latham said he was not surprised.
"I thought that if they followed the letter of the contract and if they looked at all the evidence, there was no other result that could happen," he said. "It had to happen."
Weseman confirmed to FOXNews.com that Latham will be back next year. He said administrators erred by not conducting enough in-class evaluations.
"To make a long story short, they didn't do what they were supposed to," Weseman said. "Obviously there are implications to procedures not being followed."
Latham conducted himself in a "respectful and dignified" manner throughout the process, Weseman said, adding that the "injustice" claimed by Latham had been confirmed.
During a meeting last September with Assistant Principal Jan Gentry, Latham claims Gentry mentioned his school-affiliated Web site, which she called "too patriotic." The site had links to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, the Air Force, the U.S. Army and other military-and history-related sites.
He claimed the critiques took a personal turn in October, when class lessons began focusing on the presidential race between Obama and John McCain. One unidentified student has complained to Gentry that Latham had been too critical of Obama.
"I had been called into [Gentry's office] and was told I was picking on Obama in class," Latham said earlier this month. "But I didn't cover anything else that wasn't already covered by anybody else in the news."
Latham also said that Gentry asked him about a "McCain-Palin" bumper sticker on his car.
"She said, 'I don't know how you could support that woman,'" Latham said. "That was the beginning of what was going on. They were trying to find a reason to get rid of me."
Latham said a condition of his reinstatement would be that Gentry would not conduct his evaluations any longer, Weseman said. Gentry could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
Chloe Mercer, who graduated Lawrence High School last month, said Latham's class was her favorite and said he was fair despite his decision not to show Obama's inauguration in class.
"He chose not to show it, but he printed out Obama's speech and we read it and discussed what we felt was good about it," Mercer told FOXNews.com earlier this month. "[Latham] was fair. He listened to all sides of every issue. He actually made print-outs of every candidate and how they felt on certain hot-button issues."
Hey Perk, thanks for politically censoring my post and making it PC... but it turns out he WAS fired for his political views and now has his job back.
Please do NOT edit my titles for content when they do NOT violate the TOS here. The topic title was PART of MY commentary. If my commentary is banned, than it's true that P&N is edited by the moderators for political content.
Please don't do this again.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528484,00.html
Kansas Teacher With Conservative Views Gets Job Back
Tuesday, June 23, 2009
By Joshua Rhett Miller
Tim Latham
A high school teacher in Kansas who claimed his contract was not renewed due to his conservative political views has been reinstated.
Tim Latham, 44, who was told that his school-affiliated Web site was "too patriotic," will return this fall to the 2,000-student Lawrence High School in Lawrence, Kan., where he'll continue teaching American history and government for a second consecutive year. Since the contract renewal became official late last week, Latham, a teaching veteran of 20 years, said he's received countless well-wishes from students and teachers alike.
"My cell phone just went off again," Latham told FOXNews.com on Tuesday. "I have received well over 1,000 e-mails, comments on my Facebook page, personal letters and phone calls, not only from all over the country, but from all over the world. I even had a guy who wrote me from China, saying he could see this happening in China, but not here."
Latham, who was criticized by a student for not airing President Obama's inaugural address during class, filed a grievance with his school district earlier this month after he was told in April that his contract would not be renewed.
The married father of three had claimed school officials violated his contract by not conducting proper reviews ? four 20-minute in-class evaluations throughout the year ? and said school administrators were looking for a way to get rid of him due to his personal politics.
But Latham was informed last Thursday by District Superintendent Randy Weseman that there were "inconsistencies in the evaluation process" and that his contract would be renewed for 2009-10. Latham said he was not surprised.
"I thought that if they followed the letter of the contract and if they looked at all the evidence, there was no other result that could happen," he said. "It had to happen."
Weseman confirmed to FOXNews.com that Latham will be back next year. He said administrators erred by not conducting enough in-class evaluations.
"To make a long story short, they didn't do what they were supposed to," Weseman said. "Obviously there are implications to procedures not being followed."
Latham conducted himself in a "respectful and dignified" manner throughout the process, Weseman said, adding that the "injustice" claimed by Latham had been confirmed.
During a meeting last September with Assistant Principal Jan Gentry, Latham claims Gentry mentioned his school-affiliated Web site, which she called "too patriotic." The site had links to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, the Air Force, the U.S. Army and other military-and history-related sites.
He claimed the critiques took a personal turn in October, when class lessons began focusing on the presidential race between Obama and John McCain. One unidentified student has complained to Gentry that Latham had been too critical of Obama.
"I had been called into [Gentry's office] and was told I was picking on Obama in class," Latham said earlier this month. "But I didn't cover anything else that wasn't already covered by anybody else in the news."
Latham also said that Gentry asked him about a "McCain-Palin" bumper sticker on his car.
"She said, 'I don't know how you could support that woman,'" Latham said. "That was the beginning of what was going on. They were trying to find a reason to get rid of me."
Latham said a condition of his reinstatement would be that Gentry would not conduct his evaluations any longer, Weseman said. Gentry could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
Chloe Mercer, who graduated Lawrence High School last month, said Latham's class was her favorite and said he was fair despite his decision not to show Obama's inauguration in class.
"He chose not to show it, but he printed out Obama's speech and we read it and discussed what we felt was good about it," Mercer told FOXNews.com earlier this month. "[Latham] was fair. He listened to all sides of every issue. He actually made print-outs of every candidate and how they felt on certain hot-button issues."
So a horrible teacher gets his job back, but because he blindly follows rightwing talking points thats a good thing. Yay for America I guess.
Yes, it is absolutely required. Someone with actual real world skills would be out in the workforce producing.
Yeah you're right, the ability to distribute information to future generations is in no way a real world skill. I'm sure society will do just fine without it.
You have to be acting this stupid on purpose.
moshquerade
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Very true! Political bias unfortunately rears its ugly head everywhere.
Not totally sure of the validity of this article, but it is within the realm of reality. Academia does lend to the side of liberalism in this country. It is unfortunate, once again, when people are so blinded by their own political views that they treat unfairly those who have opposing views.
WOW.... just wow... this forum, which I don't visit often, and you just made me realize again the reason why... is really out of control!
He said he wouldn't show any inaugural speech, be it John McCains also, if he had won.
He did read the current inaugural speech and discussed it in class.
Mmm, yes. Control. We need to be controlled. Independent, free thought can be dangerous.
As sad as the reality is, dahunan's outrageous suggestion is not out of the realm of possibility. We've had a 'couple' of catholic priests unquestionably found to be diddling there young male charges. We've had a 'prominent' republican found to be diddling male congressional pages and another diddling anonymous bathroom acquaintances while publicly railing against this very thing. I won't go on and on.
moshquerade
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just a couple? i thought ALL catholic priests and prominent republicans diddled around. no exceptions.
i still say what dahunan posted is the piss poor quality of this forum shining through.
edit: and it is very ironic that you mention, sarcastically, that "independent, free thought can be dangerous" in this of all threads.
Oh, the joys of extremism.Originally posted by: moshquerade
just a couple? i thought ALL catholic priests and prominent republicans diddled around. no exceptions.
It could have been a little less rough but it's not a pretty subject.
Don't know why it's ironic. Almost every person here has a different view on things. Even those who, on the surface, belong in the same group.edit: and it is very ironic that you mention, sarcastically, that "independent, free thought can be dangerous" in this of all threads.
The teacher referenced in this thread could easily have been a member of the klan or some other wingnut organization. The op was taking a gamble when he defended this teacher (I don't think he knew him personally) and won. He could easily have lost and then you wouldn't be posting here at all. You'd be calling the firetrucks.
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