Kansas Teacher Claims Conservative Views Led to Loss of Job

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Kansas Teacher Claims Conservative Views Led to Loss of Job
Friday, June 12, 2009
By Joshua Rhett Miller

Tim Latham, who has spent the last 19 years teaching students American history and government, spent the past school year at a high school in Lawrence, Kan. ? and it appears his first year at the school will be his last.

Latham claims it has nothing to do with his abilities as a teacher and everything to do with his conservative politics.

Latham ? who was criticized for not airing President Obama's inaugural address during an American history class ? says he first realized during a meeting last September with Assistant Principal Jan Gentry that his personal political views weren't making the grade with the rest of the faculty at the 2,000-student Lawrence High School.

The 44-year-old teacher filed a grievance earlier this month with his district after his contract was not renewed in April. He argues the district didn't follow the proper process.

"It's gross misconduct," he said. "[The district] jumped straight to non-renewal."

Several calls placed to Gentry, Principal Steve Nilhas and District Superintendent Randy Weseman were not returned. Kansas National Education Association Director Bruce Lindskog could not be reached for comment.

David Cunningham, director of human resources for the school district, declined to discuss Latham's allegations in detail.

"All I can say is we have procedures in place to make decisions on employment," Cunningham told FOXNews.com. "All of our procedures were followed correctly."

Latham claims school officials violated his contract by not conducting proper reviews ? four 20-minute in-class evaluations throughout the year ? and says they were looking for a way to get rid of him due to his personal politics.

During Latham's brief meeting with Gentry, he claims Gentry told him his school-affiliated Web site was "too patriotic." The site has links to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, the Air Force, the U.S. Army and other military-and history-related sites.

"I mean, I teach American history and government," Latham explained. "We had been in school not even a month."

He claims the critiques took a personal turn in October, when class lessons began focusing on the presidential race between Obama and John McCain. One student, whom Latham declined to identify, complained to Gentry that he had been too critical of Obama.

"I had been called into [Gentry's office] and was told I was picking on Obama in class," Latham said. "But I didn't cover anything else that wasn't already covered by anybody else in the news."

Latham says he supported McCain because of the Arizona senator's military service and lengthy political experience. He admitted to offering students critical viewpoints of Obama due to his lack of experience compared to McCain.

"When you try to show two sides of an individual, sometimes people don't like that," he said. "They want to hear all of the sunshine, but none of the rain. I aligned more with [McCain's] values than I did with Obama, but I treated Obama with fairness."

Latham also said that Gentry asked him about a "McCain-Palin" bumper sticker on his car.

"She said, 'I don't know how you could support that woman,'" Latham said. "That was the beginning of what was going on. They were trying to find a reason to get rid of me."

The married father of three said the experience hasn?t affected his desire to teach. And support from students and a local conservative group have inspired him to fight for his job.

Chloe Mercer, who graduated Lawrence High School last month, said Latham's class was her favorite and said he was fair despite his decision not to show Obama's inauguration in class.

"He chose not to show it, but he printed out Obama's speech and we read it and discussed what we felt was good about it," Mercer told FOXNews.com. "[Latham] was fair. He listened to all sides of every issue. He actually made print-outs of every candidate and how they felt on certain hot-button issues."

Latham defended his decision not to show Obama's inauguration because he'd opted not to show any similar events.

"I've never shown an inauguration," he said. "I never showed any of Bush's; I wouldn't have shown McCain's. I was not showing any bias towards Obama ... I didn't intend to interrupt the class."

Asked if she felt Latham brought his personal politics into the classroom, Mercer replied, "Not really. He was very good about looking at both candidates. Sometimes his conservative side would show, but my opinion along with anyone else's was always valued."

Mercer, a self-described liberal, said she hopes school officials revisit their decision. She's one of many current and former Lawrence High students supporting Latham on a Facebook page.

"It's really disappointing because he's a really good teacher," she said. "It doesn't seem fair. Why would they let a good teacher go?"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526060,00.html

If true, this is pretty outrageous. What are your thoughts?


Since an FT time warp prevents you from fixing the factually unproven statement in your title, I have helpfully brought it back to the known at this time reality used in the very title of the sole article you posted as evidence. Even you posted "IF true" as your comment, so you absolutely should have known posting it as FACT that he was fired for his views was wrong. Please don't do this again.

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Hey Perk, thanks for politically censoring my post and making it PC... but it turns out he WAS fired for his political views and now has his job back.

Please do NOT edit my titles for content when they do NOT violate the TOS here. The topic title was PART of MY commentary. If my commentary is banned, than it's true that P&N is edited and censored by the moderators for political content.

Please don't do this again.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528484,00.html

Kansas Teacher With Conservative Views Gets Job Back
Tuesday, June 23, 2009
By Joshua Rhett Miller

A high school teacher in Kansas who claimed his contract was not renewed due to his conservative political views has been reinstated.

Tim Latham, 44, who was told that his school-affiliated Web site was "too patriotic," will return this fall to the 2,000-student Lawrence High School in Lawrence, Kan., where he'll continue teaching American history and government for a second consecutive year. Since the contract renewal became official late last week, Latham, a teaching veteran of 20 years, said he's received countless well-wishes from students and teachers alike.

"My cell phone just went off again," Latham told FOXNews.com on Tuesday. "I have received well over 1,000 e-mails, comments on my Facebook page, personal letters and phone calls, not only from all over the country, but from all over the world. I even had a guy who wrote me from China, saying he could see this happening in China, but not here."

Latham, who was criticized by a student for not airing President Obama's inaugural address during class, filed a grievance with his school district earlier this month after he was told in April that his contract would not be renewed.

The married father of three had claimed school officials violated his contract by not conducting proper reviews ? four 20-minute in-class evaluations throughout the year ? and said school administrators were looking for a way to get rid of him due to his personal politics.

But Latham was informed last Thursday by District Superintendent Randy Weseman that there were "inconsistencies in the evaluation process" and that his contract would be renewed for 2009-10. Latham said he was not surprised.

"I thought that if they followed the letter of the contract and if they looked at all the evidence, there was no other result that could happen," he said. "It had to happen."

Weseman confirmed to FOXNews.com that Latham will be back next year. He said administrators erred by not conducting enough in-class evaluations.

"To make a long story short, they didn't do what they were supposed to," Weseman said. "Obviously there are implications to procedures not being followed."

Latham conducted himself in a "respectful and dignified" manner throughout the process, Weseman said, adding that the "injustice" claimed by Latham had been confirmed.

During a meeting last September with Assistant Principal Jan Gentry, Latham claims Gentry mentioned his school-affiliated Web site, which she called "too patriotic." The site had links to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, the Air Force, the U.S. Army and other military-and history-related sites.

He claimed the critiques took a personal turn in October, when class lessons began focusing on the presidential race between Obama and John McCain. One unidentified student has complained to Gentry that Latham had been too critical of Obama.

"I had been called into [Gentry's office] and was told I was picking on Obama in class," Latham said earlier this month. "But I didn't cover anything else that wasn't already covered by anybody else in the news."

Latham also said that Gentry asked him about a "McCain-Palin" bumper sticker on his car.

"She said, 'I don't know how you could support that woman,'" Latham said. "That was the beginning of what was going on. They were trying to find a reason to get rid of me."

Latham said a condition of his reinstatement would be that Gentry would not conduct his evaluations any longer, Weseman said. Gentry could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

Chloe Mercer, who graduated Lawrence High School last month, said Latham's class was her favorite and said he was fair despite his decision not to show Obama's inauguration in class.

"He chose not to show it, but he printed out Obama's speech and we read it and discussed what we felt was good about it," Mercer told FOXNews.com earlier this month. "[Latham] was fair. He listened to all sides of every issue. He actually made print-outs of every candidate and how they felt on certain hot-button issues."


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OCGuy

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My thoughts are I bet he gets a settlement, unless there is something not being reported here.



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jpeyton

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Originally posted by: OCguy
unless there is something not being reported here.
It's Faux News; the reporting is as fair and balanced as it gets.
 

techs

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Uh, let me get this straight.
This is KANSAS? Home of the teaching of intelligent design?
And this woman was fired for being a conservative?
Thats like the Devil firing Hitler for being a bad man.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: OCguy
unless there is something not being reported here.
It's Faux News; the reporting is as fair and balanced as it gets.

Poisoning the wells is a sign of having no valid argument.

Thanks for playing.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: techs
Uh, let me get this straight.
This is KANSAS? Home of the teaching of intelligent design?
And this woman was fired for being a conservative?
Thats like the Devil firing Hitler for being a bad man.
As a Lawrence local, I have to point out that this is unarguably the most liberal town in Kansas. That said, it sounds like he was fired because he was campaigning in class rather than teaching history.

Also, it's a actually a guy, but it does seem he is having trouble taking this like a man. :p
 

sandorski

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I suspect the person was not just a conservative, but one of the annoying Conservatives we see here. Not showing Obama's Inaugral was likely Politically motivated and his "presenting the other side" during the campaign probably consisted of every half-wit criticism there was.

Voted: Yes, but would have preffered to vote Maybe
 

spittledip

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Sorry, I cannot tell anything from this article. The writer only gives the side of the teacher and point out his political affiliation- very sensationalist.
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: themusgrat
He wants his 10 minutes of fame just like anyone else, what a story.

Last hired, first fired, that's what his dismissal is all about. Plus his "poor little me getting picked on for conservative views" whine.:roll:
 

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Originally posted by: sandorski
I suspect the person was not just a conservative, but one of the annoying Conservatives we see here. Not showing Obama's Inaugral was likely Politically motivated and his "presenting the other side" during the campaign probably consisted of every half-wit criticism there was.

Voted: Yes, but would have preffered to vote Maybe

Did you even read the article and the comments made by his self-proclaimed 'liberal' student?
 

Gothgar

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I don't see why it is such a big deal that they didn't show the inauguration, I never saw one in school /shrug
 

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I'm applying for a job at Bob Jones University as an evolutionary biologist. Throw me a bone here...
 

piasabird

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First I thought it was a Male teacher. . . hmmm.

I dont think it is a good idea to view a 20 minute film about some stupid inauguration speech. However, they did review the text of the speech. I think it might be better to look at the inauguration speech of George Washington, and Abraham Lincoln. If you are not going to study all of the inauguration speeches, why bother with President O'Bamma's?

It is still unclear just what History will say about O'Bamma. I say lets let History decide about his presidency.

I think he should have just resigned and found a school district that was not run by communist fascist pigs.

I think he should go to the downtown power and light building in Kansas city and go up to the 25th floor and see what the lawyers tell him how much his law suit is worth.
 

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Originally posted by: themusgrat
He wants his 10 minutes of fame just like anyone else, what a story.


Just becuse someone wants to defend themselves thinkig they have been wronged doesnt mean they are out for fame. Stop following the hilton sisters, put down the popular magazine, grow a brain, and give a intelligent view on this about him being wrong or right.
 

cliftonite

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: OCguy
unless there is something not being reported here.
It's Faux News; the reporting is as fair and balanced as it gets.

Poisoning the wells is a sign of having no valid argument.

Thanks for playing.

Seems like a one sided article to me. I would like to see what the school has to say.
 

Nitemare

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Every teacher who can not seperate his/her political views from the classroom should be fired.
 

n yusef

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Originally posted by: piasabird
First I thought it was a Male teacher. . . hmmm.

I dont think it is a good idea to view a 20 minute film about some stupid inauguration speech. However, they did review the text of the speech. I think it might be better to look at the inauguration speech of George Washington, and Abraham Lincoln. If you are not going to study all of the inauguration speeches, why bother with President O'Bamma's?

It is still unclear just what History will say about O'Bamma. I say lets let History decide about his presidency.

I think he should have just resigned and found a school district that was not run by communist fascist pigs.

I think he should go to the downtown power and light building in Kansas city and go up to the 25th floor and see what the lawyers tell him how much his law suit is worth.

You discredit your whole post when you demonstrate your ignorance of the terms "communist" and "fascist."
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Every teacher who can not seperate his/her political views from the classroom should be fired.
That would eliminate about half of all teachers.

Most teachers are very liberal and do nothing to hide their views.

Try going to school some place up north and look at how ingrained the liberal culture is in the school system.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Every teacher who can not seperate his/her political views from the classroom should be fired.
That would eliminate about half of all teachers.

Most teachers are very liberal and do nothing to hide their views.

Try going to school some place up north and look at how ingrained the liberal culture is in the school system.

There is a shitload of crappy teachers. I can only remember a handful in highschool that were worth a damn.

Pay the good teachers what they are worth and replace the shitty ones, imho
 

WelshBloke

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Latham says he supported McCain because of the Arizona senator's military service and lengthy political experience. He admitted to offering students critical viewpoints of Obama due to his lack of experience compared to McCain.


Sounds like someone couldn't keep his bias out of the classroom.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Every teacher who can not seperate his/her political views from the classroom should be fired.

Wow where would all the educrat elitists go? They don't know crap about making an honest living, making a profit, handling reel non-theoretical problems that don't have an answer key right in back of the book.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Gothgar
I don't see why it is such a big deal that they didn't show the inauguration, I never saw one in school /shrug

Must have went to a crappy school that had no TV`s~!
I saw every inauguration in school.


Just from a historical standpoint...having nothing to do with any issues or party affiliations
this was history in the making. Should have been shown in the classroom if for nothing else the historical factor!!