Kansas moves toward making reports of police abuse a felony if cops decide it isn't

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Oldgamer

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Washington Post News Article

Excerpts: A pretty awful new bill (PDF) in the Kansas legislature would require anyone filing a complaint against a police officer to swear an affidavit before the complaint will be investigated. If any portion of the complaint is later shown to be false, the complainant could then be prosecuted for perjury. (which could be subject to interpretation by law enforcement)

"Second, the bill would prohibit any police agency from investigating a complaint against an officer if another police agency has already found the complaint to be without merit. In practical terms, that means a sheriff’s department or the state police couldn't investigate the possibility that a city or town police department was covering up misconduct."

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Second News article on this here

In a move that should surprise no one, the State of Kansas ramps up it's movement toward more crazy legislation by offering out this doozy: when you report police abuse, you must swear out an affadavit which makes you subject to felony charges if any portion is 'shown false' and the officer is provided all of this information ahead of time.

The Kansas House Standing Committee on Corrections and Juvenile Justice has introduced a bill that will require private citizens who file complaints against police officers to sign an affidavit, acknowledging that if their allegations are proven false, they can be charged with perjury, which is a felony charge.
Furthermore, this bill prohibits a Kansas law enforcement agency from opening an investigation into a complaint if another law enforcement agency has already investigated the complaint and found in favor of the officer.

In other words, this bill would allow police departments to arrest the people who file complaints against police officers. In Wichita, Kansas, complaints are almost always dismissed, by the Wichita Police Department, so, according to this bill and its vague wording, the WPD, could now go arrest the people who file complaints against their officers.


Since most charges are dismissed out of hand, filing a second report could potentially make you a felon just for reporting abuse.

But the bill also has a couple other troubling provisions. First, it lets officers who are the subject of complaints avoid answering questions until they’re given the complaint with all documenting evidence in its entirety. No respectable police detective would conduct an investigation this way. Any police interrogator will tell you that you never let a suspect know everything you know about the allegations against him. A good cop will have a true story that exonerates him, regardless of what’s stated in the complaint or how the complaint is revealed to him. A bad cop who is given the entire complaint can construct a narrative informed by everything the investigators know, safe in the knowledge that there is no additional information that could later contradict him.

Second, the bill would prohibit any police agency from investigating a complaint against an officer if another police agency has already found the complaint to be without merit. In practical terms, that means a sheriff’s department or the state police couldn’t investigate the possibility that a city or town police department was covering up misconduct.


In other words, if you think there has been police abuse, or a misuse of the badge, problems with service then tough. If it's been investigated by one police department and it's been cleared, then you're reporting it to another police body (like a county sheriff instead of a local police force) you may have just committed a felony.
This standard effectively legalizes police retaliation by providing the accused officer your information before the claim even proceeds to the next level.

A few weeks ago, Kansas Democratic candidate Paul Davis had a suggestion:

House Minority Leader Paul Davis, the likely Democratic candidate for governor, said Friday the Legislature should end its session 20 days early after becoming an embarrassment for the state in the wake of bills that have attracted unflattering national attention.
“The session has devolved into a circus that is just bringing a lot of embarrassment in the state,” he said.


Republicans dismissed Davis’ call as a campaign stunt and said the Legislature still has important work to do. House Speaker Ray Merrick, R-Stilwell, sought to turn attention to a number of bills he said would stimulate economic growth.

Because this is the kind of important work that will stimulate the economy.
It's not like anything could go wrong, right?

Kansas. Staying classy.

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Wow...
 

thraashman

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You know, I can understand wanting to discourage false accusations against the police by vindictive people, but what the fuck kind of insanity is this bill?
 

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It isn't just Kansas, it seems to be other states wanting to discourage any reporting of police abuse, and honestly I hope this bill gets shot down in court. What we don't need is this to spread across to other states. People should be encouraged to come forward and report police abuse and not discouraged or made scared to do so.
 

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rommelrommel

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You know, I can understand wanting to discourage false accusations against the police by vindictive people, but what the fuck kind of insanity is this bill?

21-3818: Falsely reporting a crime. (a) Falsely reporting a crime is informing a law enforcement officer or state investigative agency that a crime has been committed, knowing that such information is false and intending that the officer or agency shall act in reliance upon such information.
(b) Falsely reporting a crime is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-3818; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 55; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 111; July 1.

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_21/Article_38/#21-3818

Looks like it's already a crime. Up the punishment or whatever if it's a problem. This is obviously a bad law.
 

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21-3818: Falsely reporting a crime. (a) Falsely reporting a crime is informing a law enforcement officer or state investigative agency that a crime has been committed, knowing that such information is false and intending that the officer or agency shall act in reliance upon such information.
(b) Falsely reporting a crime is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-3818; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 55; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 111; July 1.

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_21/Article_38/#21-3818

Looks like it's already a crime. Up the punishment or whatever if it's a problem. This is obviously a bad law.

Yea but what you quoted has to do with reporting a false crime. Here they are saying if a citizen has a complaint concerning police abuse, they have to sign a sworn affidavit before they ever investigate, then if anything in the statement is inaccurate that person could be charged with a felony. On top of that, if one department clears the complaint and more incidences happen there after, then no other department will investigate it because of a prior P.D. having cleared it. What that means is no more record keeping of complaints and abuses. This whole bill reaks of corruption and ineptitude.
 

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Yea but what you quoted has to do with reporting a false crime. Here they are saying if a citizen has a complaint concerning police abuse, they have to sign a sworn affidavit before they ever investigate, then if anything in the statement is inaccurate that person could be charged with a felony. On top of that, if one department clears the complaint and more incidences happen there after, then no other department will investigate it because of a prior P.D. having cleared it. What that means is no more record keeping of complaints and abuses. This whole bill reaks of corruption and ineptitude.

Oh, I totally agree.

I was just saying that if they have a legitimate problem with false reports/false info in reports, it's not like they don't already have a law to address it.

The details of this bill are totally disgusting.
 

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More dumbassary from my home state.

Good news is turnaround day is already past so this bill really won't be going anywhere.
 

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It isn't just Kansas, it seems to be other states wanting to discourage any reporting of police abuse, and honestly I hope this bill gets shot down in court. What we don't need is this to spread across to other states. People should be encouraged to come forward and report police abuse and not discouraged or made scared to do so.
Doesn't need to get shut down in court, dude, it's dying in the House.

Toto, I don't think this is Kansas anymore. Thank goodness!
 

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If any portion of the complaint is later shown to be false, the complainant could then be prosecuted for perjury. (which could be subject to interpretation by law enforcement)
This is already the law for almost everything. If you knowingly lie on government documents, you're on the hook for perjury.

"Second, the bill would prohibit any police agency from investigating a complaint against an officer if another police agency has already found the complaint to be without merit. In practical terms, that means a sheriff’s department or the state police couldn't investigate the possibility that a city or town police department was covering up misconduct."
Smoking gun. Now you know who's pushing this and why.

Well, what else is there to do in Kansas?
I hear good things about meth.

Up the punishment or whatever if it's a problem.
Perjury is already a serious crime. The issue is that it's never applied. People are caught lying then nothing happens.
 

Oldgamer

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This is already the law for almost everything. If you knowingly lie on government documents, you're on the hook for perjury.


Smoking gun. Now you know who's pushing this and why.


I hear good things about meth.


Perjury is already a serious crime. The issue is that it's never applied. People are caught lying then nothing happens.

I don't know about the bill dying or not, but if it does then good for those citizens who live in Kansas.

However, the problem is you are assuming the process for determining whether the cop or the victim is fair. It is not. They give the cop all of the information before they investigate him so that he can get his story to match the facts before they interview him. Then they have his brothers in blue interview him. On the off chance he is found to have lied, he ends up with a slap on the wrist, maybe.

If they had a non-police citizen investigation team, and if whoever was found to have been lying faced the same criminal penalty, I would be for it. But you would never, ever get a cop to go for that. For the same reason no citizen should ever go for it.

The fact is that someone can be telling the truth but they could point out some inconsistency or some minor thing to be inaccurate (not that the person lied) and use that as an excuse to charge the person reporting the abuse on a felony charge and or dismiss a serious abuse charge for lack of evidence then no other department would have to re-investigate if it happened again.
 
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