Kansas GOP to legalize quarantine of HIV patients

Oldgamer

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The Kansas legislature is about to empower the state to quarantine people with HIV and AIDS. The local Fox affiliate says the legislation is expected to become law in the next few weeks.

Republicans in the Kansas state legislature promise that the quarantine power will never be exercised against people with AIDS, but they then shot down a Democratic-led effort, by Senator Marci Francisco, to exempt people with HIV and AIDS from the quarantine provision.

Funny how they don’t ever plan on using it against people with AIDS, but then refuse to exempt people with AIDS from the quarantine they promise they’ll never use.

And the Republicans wonder why they lose elections. Then again, the GOP is becoming a bit of a leper colony of late, what with women, blacks, gays, Latinos and youth fleeing the party in droves. So it’s no wonder that quarantines are on the Republican mind.

Here’s the part of the proposed legislation where they repeal a ban on quarantining people with HIV/AIDS that went into place in 1988:

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AIDS health experts are understandably concerned.

“We live in a very conservative state and I’m afraid there are still many people, especially in rural Kansas, that have inadequate education and understanding concerning HIV/AIDS,” said Cody Patton, Executive Director of Positive Directions (PDIKS). “My fear would not be the state uses the law as some way to move all people living with HIV/AIDS into an isolated community, but that this law could allow some county employee to use this law to justify their religious beliefs over their professional responsibilities and discriminate against people with HIV/AIDS.”

Keep in mind that AIDS quarantines didn’t even happen in the 1980s, when people were extremely AIDS-phobic. Still, a NYT story at the time, dated 1985, showed that reactionary views to HIV/AIDS were not unpopular:

The Los Angeles Times Poll found that 51 percent of the respondents supported a quarantine of acquired immune deficiency syndrome patients, 48 percent would approve of identity cards for those who have taken tests indicating the presence of AIDS antibodies and 15 percent supported tattooing those with AIDS.

Another health expert noted that celebrated extremist Lyndon LaRouche tried unsuccessfully to pass an AIDS quarantine in California in 1986.

“By including HIV/AIDS in this updated law permitting public health quarantine, Kansas legislators harken back to the earliest, darkest days of the AIDS epidemic when Lyndon LaRouche led an unsuccessful effort in California in 1986 to quarantine people with AIDS through California’s Proposition 64—a ballot measure that was resoundingly rejected by California voters by a 71% to 29% margin,” said Michael Weinstein, President of AIDS Healthcare Foundation (AHF).

Former GOP Senator, and ongoing Republican presidential candidate, Mike Huckabee once called for AIDS quarantines, and stood by those comments as recently as 2007, when he was last asked about them. And remember, kids, Huckabee is considered a “nice” Republican.

And by GOP standards, I suppose he is.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1b682j/kansas_gop_to_legalize_quarantine_of_hiv_patients/
 

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Since when is reddit a credible source?

http://fox4kc.com/2013/03/27/proposed-kan-bill-calls-for-hiv-positive-people-to-be-quarantined/

Lawmakers say that is not the intent of this law. They say the part of the bill some find threatening— shifts authority to quarantine to the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, which supporters say can work quickly in health emergencies to prevent epidemics.

“This bill was never about isolation or quarantine related to persons with HIV infection. In fact, current law requires that any isolation or quarantine actions taken by the local health officer or secretary of KDHE must be ‘reasonable and medically necessary,’ wrote D. Charles Hunt, Director of the Bureau of Epidemiology and Public Health Informatics.

In his letter entitled “Open Letter Regarding Kansas House Bill 2183″ Hunt says “Isolating persons with HIV infection or quarantining persons exposed to HIV would not be reasonable or medically necessary, and, therefore, would not be legal.”
 

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The news article link is on the reddit site, I pasted the entire news article. There are several news links on this.

Which part of your OP is a news article? There seems to be more opinion mixed in, than is generally found in a news article.
 

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Maybe we should have actually quarantined those with HIV from the beginning and we wouldn't have such a big problem now...
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Maybe we should have actually quarantined those with HIV from the beginning and we wouldn't have such a big problem now...

Because most people who spread HIV are known to have it by the rest of the public. Also, in the early days people where infectious for months before they could even be tested positive.
 

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Because most people who spread HIV are known to have it by the rest of the public. Also, in the early days people where infectious for months before they could even be tested positive.

How are they known to have it? HIPAA prevents any release of information without the patient's permission.
 

Oldgamer

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Which part of your OP is a news article? There seems to be more opinion mixed in, than is generally found in a news article.

The entire news article is on my first post, if you click the reddit link the news source is linked at the top. wtf, do you not know how to use reddit?

http://americablog.com/2013/03/aids-quarantine-kansas-hiv.html

There are several news articles on this, and this was one that was posted on reddit
 

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How are they known to have it? HIPAA prevents any release of information without the patient's permission.

Even besides that, most people haven't tested positive while they're spreading it. I was implying trying to quaranteen it at the start probably wouldn't have helped much. It also would have been a horrendous human rights issue.
 

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Oldgamer

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Ummm...that's a blog, not a news article. Do you have any more credible news sources, like CNN, Fox, AP, Reuters?

I see...so if it doesnt come from YOUR approved news sources / outlet then it must not be true. Why dont you just go to the Kansas news sites directly. I am not doing your leg work for you buddy.
 

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I see...so if it doesnt come from YOUR approved news sources / outlet then it must not be true. Why dont you just go to the Kansas news sites directly. I am not doing your leg work for you buddy.

You haven't done the leg work for YOU, yet, either. If all you have is a blog and a press release, you don't have a credible story.
 

Oldgamer

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You haven't done the leg work for YOU, yet, either. If all you have is a blog and a press release, you don't have a credible story.

Wow what a way to make assumptions. Yea actually I did. It wouldnt matter if I showed you numerous links because your not interested in what Kansas repubs were trying to do, your only interested in trolling this thread and being a dick. Your only intent on posting here is to refute anything and everything that doesnt fit your political view. So I am done with you at this point. Yes those links and articles are credible, and these things did happen recently with Kansas legislature.
 
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Then where are your links? Here's another one, that says pretty much the opposite of your blog and press release:

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-jcgquarantine-kansans-with-hiv-20130326,0,4442753.story

Kansas health officials say the thought that a bill in the legislature could mean the state could quarantine people with HIV is misleading.

The Kansas Department of Health and Environment's Communications Director says, it's illegal to quarantine persons with HIV and that that's not the intention of the bill.

"The bill was never about isolation or quarantine related to persons with HIV," writes Miranda Steele in an email to KWCH, asking for a correction on our story. "It is not legal to quarantine people with HIV even if HB2183 passes." She also says it's not medically necessary.

Steele says, saying that the legislation means officials would have the power to quarantine those infected is not true and that the bill is about occupational protection.

She adds the state health department provided expert testimony in support of the legislation. Click here to read that testimony and an open letter.
 

Oldgamer

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Then where are your links? Here's another one, that says pretty much the opposite of your blog and press release:

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-jcgquarantine-kansans-with-hiv-20130326,0,4442753.story


Yep this is what we call backtracking..and officials trying to make it appear that they were not trying to get away with the initial proposed bill that they are now saying they are changing.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ahf-kansas-law-allowing-quarantine-232700513.html
 

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Yep this is what we call backtracking..and officials trying to make it appear that they were not trying to get away with the initial proposed bill that they are now saying they are changing.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ahf-kansas-law-allowing-quarantine-232700513.html

You've posted the same press release again, that you posted earlier.

You've posted NOTHING that supports your claim that this law legalizes quarantine of HIV patients. No quotes from the lawmakers who are voting on this bill, or who wrote it. Just a lot of "oooh, we're scared!" drivel from one blog and one press release.

Your "news article" in your OP doesn't even name the "local Fox affiliate." Kansas has more than one, I assure you.