Fenixgoon
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CNN has had a much more conservative lean - relative to where they were - since they got new ownership in the last year or two(?)
So I'll ask again why bother with 50 state elections where we're a coin flip to win the EC?
Let's have the CiC send in special forces and execute DJT in Mar a Lago. Remember SCROTUS granted POTUS sweeping executive powers for "official acts."
We all share the same concerns, and quite frankly it's all a little depressing right now. That doesn't mean I'd ever endorse beating Trump by BEING just like Trump.
Even with the rigged Electoral College setup, and SCROTUS hand-wrapping the presidency for Shrub in 2000, we're batting .500 over the past six elections. Now that isn't great, but demographic changes are coming in a lot of states and by the time I'm an old man, I believe the GOP as currently constructed will have a difficult time winning the presidency. I'm hopeful Texas is truly a purple state within a couple cycles, but that remains to be seen.
I fully agree Trump 2.0 is an existential threat to our democracy, but I don't believe we should become just like those we hate the most. Aren't we better than the fascists/cultists?
I’m not disagreeing at all. I’m in agreement with ^. We just have to rely on enough well informed and good natured voters to listen to all the facts and evidence that is now out there. If they do that it’s an easy choice.
The thing I’m worried about is a repeat of 1930s Germany (albeit without the horrid anti-semitism and later the Holocaust, though not as bad I think it’d be something like the mass deportation promise).
If he wins… what if the GOP gets the Senate, and the House? What will stop them from martial law and using the national guard to patrol the streets as a police state?
They’ll change all the rules anyway they can to entrench their newfound power (as has been demonstrated in numerous arenas), and essentially implement their christofascist ideology. Their goal is to remove elections from how our representatives and leaders are chosen; so good luck voting Democrat in 2028. They’d have everything rigged with time given to do so. It’s terrifying.
If he wins… but the Democrats hold the Senate and regain the House, things will be better, but still damage can be done (tariffs), and theoretically I think he still could invoke the insurrection act/martial law. Lose the Senate but gain the House, things would be incrementally worse.
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Jaskalas
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- Jun 23, 2004
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Voting is still peaceful, even if the pursuit of it should match the other side's fervor.
The point is to live. And let live. You should find morality in that.
You say you understand the stakes. Then I think you should at least be willing to engage in the sort of alt-reality campaign that has been prevalent with MAGA this entire time. It is not for us to believe. Such as JD Vance's couch. It is merely to belittle, to demean, to attack... vocally. To campaign in the manner they have campaigned with since 2015. To fight fire with fire. If you still hold a desire to wage this contest on a moral high ground, then I still believe you overestimate people. No one wants the truth.
In 2020, MAGA declared that there were no longer any "free and fair" elections. They declared our elections fake. They declared our Democracy dead.
Come Nov 5th, they will move again to make that a reality. You want to play fair, they want a coup. They want Gilead. They want a race war.
Perhaps you remember seeing some old Republicans shocked at this behavior.
Yet they never impeached him. Over the past four years they have all come around to endorse MAGA and their actions on Janurary 6th.
The Republican Party has wholly endorsed the attempt to storm the Capitol and murder Mike Pence that day. Every single Republican who truly objected has been cast out.
I get it, wanting to play the hero. It appeals to me too. But this moment is not normal. It has no parallel in American history. And if MAGA gets the opportunity, none of those virtues will exist any more. Half the nation has already discarded them. Forsaken truth for fiction. Placed party and religion over law and country. To be intolerent of intolerence is just. To match one propaganda campaign with another is of similar sport. That is the civil route. I find it moral.
These things MAGA will do first.
The only thing you can do is decide how to respond to it.
Like I said, I'm with you on most of that.* If the GQP controls all branches of government, then we are fucked. DJT has attempted to usurp the presidency after losing an election, so who's to say he would peacefully leave at the end of a final term in 2029? It's not hyperbole to ask that question.
But it's pretty obvious to me that the way to save the democracy is to win elections. Being quicker to subvert our democracy won't save us, and it just isn't a rational solution. On policy, ethics, morality, logic and the facts, we are much better than the enemy. I'm not saying we can't kick them in the nuts if the opportunity arises, but we can't go all the way down to Trump's level just to win.
I'm all for joking about Vance's love of a couch, but we laugh because it's a joke. OTOH producing a deepfake of Trump committing felony sexual assault and then spinning that around the world would be beyond the pale.
Going along with MAGA/Trump that elections are no longer free and fair is one of the dumbest things I've read in this thread.
* And I'm FAR from confident that our fellow good natured voters will pull us out of this muck. It's quite literally a coin flip IMO, and we know from history that just enough voters fucked up in 2016 to change the outcome. It could happen again.
I realize I'm asking a rhetorical question but why is MrSquished knocking on doors in PA asking people to vote for Harris/Walz? Shouldn't he be asking them to get strapped and be prepared to assault the Capitol if the election doesn't go our way?
/s
Here's an unrelated example of GOP efforts to raise political contributions from seniors. Should we stoop to their level in an effort to win?
How elderly dementia patients are unwittingly fueling political campaigns
A CNN investigation reveals how deceptive political fundraising has misled hundreds of elderly Americans.
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This is a pretty big deal in my neck of the woods.
nOOky
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- Aug 17, 2004
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I won't feel better until this shit is over. Anecdotally I know too many independent voters that believe the propaganda that the current economy is all Biden's fault, and they will do better if Trump is back in. I suppose in a simplistic mind that is the correlation, and it isn't exactly untrue that the inflation has been bad under Biden and fuel prices are higher. I don't believe they are being swayed convincingly from these convictions, and I don't think the Democrats are doing enough to debunk the disinformation campaign.
Local ads around here make it sound as if Harris personally oversaw thousands and thousands of sex change operations for illegals, and they run ads showing Latino men dressed as women putting on eyeliner and telling people their tax dollars are paying for it. And you know what, it works for the average Fox viewer. Ugh.
Local ads around here make it sound as if Harris personally oversaw thousands and thousands of sex change operations for illegals, and they run ads showing Latino men dressed as women putting on eyeliner and telling people their tax dollars are paying for it. And you know what, it works for the average Fox viewer. Ugh.
K1052
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- Aug 21, 2003
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Voters have decided to absolutely memory hole the entire year of 2020 and remember Trump's presidency as moderately successful, also not counting all his other huge failures to deliver along the way. He gets way more slack cut than anybody in modern memory. Kind of a testament to Harris that the race is so close even. Now if he wins and implements even half of his policies the national mood is going to sour faster than a carton of milk left in a hot car because they are simply terrible and will be really unpopular. A lot of voters just don't take him seriously and they are likely to receive yet another painful education that he sucks.
Currently national avg gas price is $3.15. Inflation adjusted basically back to where it was during his term except 2020 when the global economy ground to a halt.
The messaging issue is that people don't want to hear that things are really going pretty ok. They want to hear what you're going to do for them and she's largely been taking this path and showing how Trump plans on taxing them/giving another huge tax cut to the wealthy.
The anti-trans ads the GOP spent tons of money on in 2022 crashed and burned hard. They got nothing for them. Donors however are unconvinced and are doing it again this year.
Is this normal, that a political party plans all summer prior to the election to come up with a road map for a trifecta? Are their internals just that good, or do they know something else?
K1052
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HomerJS
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We will see.
www.newsweek.com
Halperin says he's been pitched a story that could 'end' Trump's campaign
Veteran journalist Mark Halperin revealed Tuesday that he's aware of a story pitched to major outlets that could derail Donald Trump's 2024 campaign.
www.newsweek.com
K1052
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We will see.
Halperin says he's been pitched a story that could 'end' Trump's campaign
Veteran journalist Mark Halperin revealed Tuesday that he's aware of a story pitched to major outlets that could derail Donald Trump's 2024 campaign.
Halperin is a crank and almost always incorrect.
thraashman
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- Apr 10, 2000
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The absolute vagueness of that article. How useless.We will see.
Halperin says he's been pitched a story that could 'end' Trump's campaign
Veteran journalist Mark Halperin revealed Tuesday that he's aware of a story pitched to major outlets that could derail Donald Trump's 2024 campaign.
Also, at this point I think it's clear that 99% of Trump's cult could walk in on him raping their mother and they'd offer him a drink.
K1052
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- Aug 21, 2003
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One of the great questions about this election is how many Republicans who voted for Haley in the GOP primary either defect to Harris or simply leave the presidential race blank on their ballots. If the surveys are correct about Harris improving with white voters this seems like where it would show up.
Indus
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- May 11, 2002
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We will see.
Halperin says he's been pitched a story that could 'end' Trump's campaign
Veteran journalist Mark Halperin revealed Tuesday that he's aware of a story pitched to major outlets that could derail Donald Trump's 2024 campaign.
To be honest the only story that could possibly affect this election now is if Orange is on his death bed and it's basically Couchfucker vs Kam.
nakedfrog
No Lifer
- Apr 3, 2001
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"Thank you, Mr. President, I feel so blessed by your visitation upon my humble household, hallowed be thy (huge) cock!"
Indus
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- May 11, 2002
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Well that explains something.. they're cucks unable to get their households to procreate.. so that's why they're so vehemently anti-choice!
Today's CT!
It not even a concept.
Kamala should run ads saying trump doesn’t even have concepts
hal2kilo
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Muse
Lifer
- Jul 11, 2001
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Yeah, I saw some of those weird gruesome sex change funded by your tax dollars ads watching the SEC GA vs TX game over the weekend. Trump vitriol on steroids.
hal2kilo
Lifer
- Feb 24, 2009
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HomerJS
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- Feb 6, 2002
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If this is the story it won't effect Trump's campaign. It will be just another woman Trump grabbed by the pvssy.We will see.
Halperin says he's been pitched a story that could 'end' Trump's campaign
Veteran journalist Mark Halperin revealed Tuesday that he's aware of a story pitched to major outlets that could derail Donald Trump's 2024 campaign.
Donald Trump Accused of Groping Model Stacey Williams in ‘Twisted Game’ With Jeffrey Epstein; Trump’s Camp Calls It a ‘Fake Story Contrived by Harris Campaign’
Former model Stacey Williams has alleged that Donald Trump groped her in a 1993 incident at Trump Tower after Jeffrey Epstein introduced them.
variety.com
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