Kagan makes first judicial decision on SC

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Barrack Obama, while a state senator of illinois, proposed and advocated for legalizing infanticide of babies that were intended to be aborted but survived and were born live.

You're really going to need a link on that with quotations in context.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The correct quote is "Thou shalt not murder"

There is a big distinction between murder and killing.

Thats HRCC doggma . Kill is correct.

 

[Scotteq]

Thats HRCC doggma . Kill is correct.

The word really is 'Murder' in the original Hebrew.

 

[Linflas]

You're really going to need a link on that with quotations in context.

Probably the most unbiased analysis of the vote QuantumPion seems to be referring to:

Obama and 'Infanticide'

 

[QuantumPion]

The word really is 'Murder' in the original Hebrew.

I think the original (or rather, the oldest known version) was in greek.

 

[Scotteq]

I think the original (or rather, the oldest known version) was in greek.

Aramaic - See "Dead Sea Scrolls"

If you mean Greek insofar as "Translation For Use In The Roman/Christian Bible", then maybe. But *know* that the original commandments are in Hebrew (Aramaic, actually - which later became what we now call Hebrew), and that the entire section existed in the Torah long before the Bible was crafted.

 

[werepossum]

But scraping a fetus out of a woman is enlightened and civilized. What if we jammed criminals up the uterus of a woman and then execute them?

LOL Great analogy. We'll build a giant artificial uterus and stuff condemned criminals up inside it. Then we'll pull off their limbs one by one, then we'll punch a hole into their skulls and suck out their brains. Finally we'll cut up and collapse their skulls to allow their mutilated torsos to be removed from the giant artificial uterus. Enlightened and civilized execution, conducted by progressive-approved partial birth procedures. Thou art a genius. And I just creeped myself out.

 

[sactoking]

It is not unreasonable to take the minority's side in this. The drug had not been tested and so far the defense attorney was just asking for the specifics of the drug before use, he had not yet petitioned to have the drug declared unusable. That the state would not provide said specifics is pretty bad.

It's not unreasonable to take the majority's side in this. The drug was manufactured in the UK. The US and UK are on pretty good terms right now and both are advanced enough that I think we can rest assured that the drug is acceptable. It's not like this stuff was coming from Guatemala or the Congo or something.

In my opinion, the SC should have forced the state to provide the specifics on the drug (which is what the minority wanted) while still allowing it to be used under the assumption that just because it was not made in the US does not automatically make it crap (which is what the majority wanted).

 

[Nemesis 1]

The word really is 'Murder' in the original Hebrew.

Proof .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Aramaic - See "Dead Sea Scrolls"

If you mean Greek insofar as "Translation For Use In The Roman/Christian Bible", then maybe. But *know* that the original commandments are in Hebrew (Aramaic, actually - which later became what we now call Hebrew), and that the entire section existed in the Torah long before the Bible was crafted.

This is true .

So what is correct .

I am that I am

I will become what I become.

 

[Scotteq]

Proof .

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Orthodox-Judaism-952/Translation-Ten-Commandments.htm

Question
Is the commandment that the Lord gave to Moses "You shall not kill" or "You shall not murder?" Thank you for your time. I am a Roman Catholic and I have been having this discussion with one of my professors. Any specifics would be helpful.

Answer
Dear Peter,
You have asked one of the most important questions to ask in order to understand Biblical morality.

The original Hebrew is "Lo Tirtzach", which means "Do not murder". The Hebrew word for killing is "Hariga", a completely different verb.

Murder is the taking of innocent life, which is always forbidden, while killing is the taking of any life, which is sometimes not only permitted but obligatory. The Bible commands us to kill those who have lost their innocence. Innocence is lost in two ways:

1) Someone who was found guilty in a court of certain crimes, for example, "Say to the Israelites: 'Any Israelite or any alien living in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech (a form of idolatry where priests pass children through ritual fires) must be put to death. The people of the community are to stone him." (Leviticus 20:2)

2) Someone who is clearly posing a direct threat to the lives of innocents. "If the thief is caught while breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there will be no bloodguiltiness on his account" (Exodus 22:2). This only applies where it is clear that he is willing to kill the house owner.

It is clear that there is no contradiction between these commandments - actually they compliment each other. Innocent life is protected, both by the commandment not to murder and the commandment to kill those who are a threat to innocence.

All the best,

Rabbi Mos

 

[Nemesis 1]

LOL Great analogy. We'll build a giant artificial uterus and stuff condemned criminals up inside it. Then we'll pull off their limbs one by one, then we'll punch a hole into their skulls and suck out their brains. Finally we'll cut up and collapse their skulls to allow their mutilated torsos to be removed from the giant artificial uterus. Enlightened and civilized execution, conducted by progressive-approved partial birth procedures. Thou art a genius. And I just creeped myself out.

Me to. creeped out. But ya you have a good grasp of what it is,

 

[Scotteq]

By the way: Given the rather rabid leanings of many of the posters here, I find the use of the Bible to support their positions highly amusing.

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Orthodox-Judaism-952/Translation-Ten-Commandments.htm

Sorry but thats incorrect . In the time of moses Aramaic was used the Hebrew transalition doesn't work here. This is how far we have fallen . Why did God not kill cain ? God is the same for all time in so far as his laws.

This is the problem . The laws of Moses as offered as Authority over the Laws of God. Make not laws least ye be bound by them , JC. In another topic here the Word gay is a perfect example . I have talked on this befor . Change word meaning to make ignorant. They are clever but liars

 

[Scotteq]

Change word meaning to make ignorant. They are clever but liars

See what I did there?


I am (not really) Sorry that you don't like the answer. But it's nice to see you backpedal like that.

 

[Fern]

Sorry but thats incorrect . In the time of moses Aramaic was used the Hebrew transalition doesn't work here. This is how far we have fallen . Why did God not kill cain ? God is the same for all time in so far as his laws.

This is the problem . The laws of Moses as offered as Authority over the Laws of God. Make not laws least ye be bound by them , JC. In another topic here the Word gay is a perfect example . I have talked on this befor . Change word meaning to make ignorant. They are clever but liars

Nope, looks to have been originally written in "Biblical Hebrew". Aramaic was used later (books after the Torah section):

The Old Testament consists of a collection of writings believed to have been composed at various times from the twelfth to the second century B.C. The books were written in classical Hebrew, except for brief portions (Ezra 4:8–6:18 and 7:12–26, Jeremiah 10:11, Daniel 2:4–7:28) which are in the Aramaic language

Development of the Jewish canon:

Main article: Development of the Jewish Bible canon

Tanakh refers to the threefold division of the Hebrew Scriptures (the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings).

The Tanakh was mainly written in Biblical Hebrew, with some portions (notably in Daniel and Ezra) in Biblical Aramaic.[12]

The Ten Commandments are found in the first division of the Tanakh, which was written in Biblical Hebrew.

Quotes are from Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible#Old_Testament

Fern

 

[Nemesis 1]

Explain I did not backpeddle at all, It is you who lacks faith , IF you believe in an after life than this life means nothing other than how you live it . not others for none is keeper of your spirit . But the weakness of your soul (Flesh) is your downfall . Soul another changed word meaning.

 

[Scotteq]

Taking Lessons from moonbeam, I see.

Thanks for the amusement.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Nope, looks to have been originally written in "Biblical Hebrew". Aramaic was used later (books after the Torah section):



The Ten Commandments are found in the first division of the Tanakh, which was written in Biblical Hebrew.

Quotes are from Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible#Old_Testament

Fern

Sounds cool but enoch wrote in Aramaic and enoch if you read it is like reading the bible in many ways except the truth is there for all to witness. He was also the father of the written word . Noah had the book of enoch . Moses although credited for writing the First books of the Bible had to know Aramaic. Or he could not have known what happened befor or durring noahs life. There is more than 1 reason God wouldn't allow Moses to cross Jordan river. The words written On the staff of Moses were written in Aramaic. The staff was given to moses by who. Who has the staff today.

 

[Paratus]

Just an FYI for folks who don't visit OT or read forum announcements but the OP has been re-banned as returning banned member RIPRORIN.

Which makes a whole bunch of sense.

 

[nick1985]

Just an FYI for folks who don't visit OT or read forum announcements but the OP has been re-banned as returning banned member RIPRORIN.

Which makes a whole bunch of sense.

lol