Kabylake review from [H]. This is really bad :(

[coercitiv]

This part should have been 6790K, not 7700K IMO.

I would disagree .. All that matters is how the product is perceived. You can argue all you want after the fact, that people perceive it wrong, but at that point it is what it is. And the cpu arch IS the same, shoulda called it skylake-devils canyon

Hi uncle Jack, if you want a new PC to browse the Internet and watch movies, buy one with an Core i3 CPU, best bang for the buck in your case. But be very very careful not to buy the one with 6100 model number, must be 6160 or else Netflix won't work properly on it. No no no, not the 6300!!! That won't work either! What's that, you're confused? Yes, these marketing tricks are so annoying, they change one digit and it's a different product. It's like they want you to get lost in a maze of product numbers, no easy way out.

No uncle Jack, it wouldn't be fair towards computing enthusiasts to call it something else entirely. We have standards in the community, it would be scandalous.

PS: Hi uncle Jack, computer for browsing and movies? Buy a Core i3 with 7xxx in the product name. You're welcome.

 

[cytg111]

The new media engine is a MINUS in my book, but that is political and highly subjective so theres that.

Process improvements? 14nm++? Arh ....

Overclockability sounds nice, for the enthusiast, but you cant really call it a new generation for the niche target of enthusiasts IMO..

This time around the coin "Devils Canyon" would actually have been fitting (4790 was meh if you ask me) if this thing is routinely hitting 5GHz+ on air..


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PS: Hi uncle Jack, computer for browsing and movies? Buy a Core i3 with 7xxx in the product name. You're welcome....

- Yea, thats excatly the *censored* im talking about. DRM *censored* *censored*, *censored* in a *censored* bucket full of *censored*. *censored*.

 

[PingSpike]

Hey at least performance didn't decrease in the shift in focus towards less power consumption.

LOL, wasn't there some Intel executive recently saying that was the bright vision for the future?

 

[Arachnotronic]

The new media engine is a MINUS in my book, but that is political and highly subjective so theres that.

Process improvements? 14nm++? Arh ....

Overclockability sounds nice, for the enthusiast, but you cant really call it a new generation for the niche target of enthusiasts IMO..

This time around the coin "Devils Canyon" would actually have been fitting (4790 was meh if you ask me) if this thing is routinely hitting 5GHz+ on air..


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- Yea, thats excatly the *censored* im talking about. DRM *censored* *censored*, *censored* in a *censored* bucket full of *censored*. *censored*.

You seem quite passionate in your anti-DRM stance

 

[CakeMonster]

I am not disappointed given the realities. Intel has raised the bar on clock speed a little, and much more was never expected given the process we're still on. Delivered as expected.

However, I've been upgrading every cycle since the 90s (on avg once a year but some cycles have drawn out to 18+ months), and this time around I won't. Not because I'm angry at Intel but because with Tick-Tock-Tock I can't defend replacing my 4.5GHz 6700K.

They'll probably get my money with the next generation since I still enjoy keeping up.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I am not disappointed given the realities. Intel has raised the bar on clock speed a little, and much more was never expected given the process we're still on. Delivered as expected.

However, I've been upgrading every cycle since the 90s (on avg once a year but some cycles have drawn out to 18+ months), and this time around I won't. Not because I'm angry at Intel but because with Tick-Tock-Tock I can't defend replacing my 4.5GHz 6700K.

They'll probably get my money with the next generation since I still enjoy keeping up.

Agree that the 7700K is not a suitable upgrade for most folks running the 6700K.

If you are on an older platform though, the faster CPU + additional features could be worth it. Haswell platform is probably fine, but Sandy/Ivy and older are pretty dated.

 

[The Stilt]

I disagree. It would be confusing because of the different decoding/encoding feature support. Some people wouldn't understand that their 6770k can't decode or encode 10 bit HEVC content. Or VP9.

I don't think any consumers, outside the hardware enthusiasts know without checking which video codecs a specific model can decode or encode. But regardless, I get your point.

 

[DaveSimmons]

From the review you supposedly read:

The 7700K has a stock turbo of 4.5Ghz while the 6700K has a turbo of 4.2Ghz. This is important to note since not only will Kaby Lake SKUs clock higher than Skylake SKUs, but on K models max overclocks will also be higher.


It's not entirely the same chip, some parts other than CPU are different - for example the media engine which is in charge of video hardware decoding. Had they kept the same 6xxx codes, we would have had a different problem: people might have wrongly assumed all Skylake chips support 10bit HEVC and VP9, hence people might have assumed all Skylake CPUs can run 4k Netflix.

Not changing the product name can actually be a bad thing when the feature set is different, just as bad as changing the name when nothing is different. (see recent dGPU rebrands)

D'oh! Hey, I looked at the pictures. I did read large chunks of the text but obviously not the most important paragraph. A 7% bump is better than nothing.

 

[Rifter]

Yeah intel marketing this as a new chip was not very smart at all, id even go as far as to say dishonest if this is the performance it will offer, im hoping these are very early samples and the retail chips fair better.

 

[VirtualLarry]

id even go as far as to say dishonest if this is the performance it will offer, im hoping these are very early samples and the retail chips fair better.

How? It's literally, the SAME CPU cores, as I understand it. More or less.

 

[Rifter]

How? It's literally, the SAME CPU cores, as I understand it. More or less.

I know, im more hoping for a more refined process will get better OC headroom, but judging from these early results that wont be the case, but at the same time these early results could be from early ES samples not the final retail stepping, we dont know yet.

 

[AtenRa]

As I have said before, we are getting mobile CPUs for the desktop the last 4-5 years.
HEDT should have been kept at $300 as was in the first Core i7 days.

 

[Phynaz]

Intel done goofed. amd is coming for them.

Really?

What AMD mobile CPUs come anywhere near KL?

 

[John Carmack]

It looks like it should be called a i7-6701K instead of i7-7700K.

 

[Rifter]

It looks like it should be called a i7-6701K instead of i7-7700K.

exactly, this would for sure have eliminated some of the bad press/PR they will get for this.

Releasing this as a new generation is a joke.

 

[dullard]

It looks like it should be called a i7-6701K instead of i7-7700K.

6600K is up to 3.9 GHz (single core turbo),
6700K is up to 4.2 GHz (single core turbo),
This chip up is 4.5 GHz (single core turbo),

Using Intel's own numbering system, this chip should be basically a 6800K with a few minor other enhancements. But the 6800K name was already taken. So, Intel was forced to either create a new generation or to scrap their whole naming scheme. Naming it a new generation makes more sense.

But to call up to a 300 MHz jump just a move from 6700K to 6701K is stupid.

 

[Rifter]

6600K is up to 3.9 GHz (single core turbo),
6700K is up to 4.2 GHz (single core turbo),
This chip up is 4.5 GHz (single core turbo),

Using Intel's own numbering system, this chip should be basically a 6800K with a few minor other enhancements. But the 6800K name was already taken. So, Intel was forced to either create a new generation or to scrap their whole naming scheme. Naming it a new generation makes more sense.

But to call up to a 300 MHz jump just a move from 6700K to 6701K is stupid.

Not really, these are both "k" chips so the real measure is average max stable OC, which so far appears to be identical.

 

[dullard]

Not really, these are both "k" chips so the real measure is average max stable OC, which so far appears to be identical.

OC means nothing to many, many buyers. We live in a bubble on tech forums. If you have a bit of money and want the fastest chip for most residential-consumer purposes, the K chips are where it is at. And I'll wait for the chip to be released before declaring a maximum overclock.

 

[dahorns]

Not really, these are both "k" chips so the real measure is average max stable OC, which so far appears to be identical.

what are you basing that on? Everything we have seen has indicated additional oc room.

 

[crashtech]

Pretty boring time to be a CPU enthusiast. At least GPUs are still advancing.

 

[Excessi0n]

Not really, these are both "k" chips so the real measure is average max stable OC, which so far appears to be identical.

Uh, what? Indications are that typical 7700Ks can do 4.8GHz at 1.3v. That's 200-300MHz higher than a typical 6700K.

 

[ArizonaSteve]

Process -> Architecture -> Optimization?

More like Sleep -> Yawn -> Stretch

 

[DrMrLordX]

Isn't [H] just reporting what we already knew to be true?

 

[monkeydelmagico]

if this thing is routinely hitting 5GHz+ on air..
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That's the big question in my mind. Lets see what retail examples are going to do. If they deliver I could see trading in my 4690k chip. Yeah Devil's Canyon that was billed by Intel big wigs as being able to do 5ghz. Right.....

 

[biostud]

Pretty boring time to be a CPU enthusiast. At least GPUs are still advancing.

Yup, since AMD dropped the ball. To me the 5820K has been the only interesting cpu for the budget conscious enthusiast in a very long time.