K8-L and Conroe

[Griswold]

Originally posted by: Marmion
Opening up a can of worms:
When K8L comes out, Q2 07 or whenever, Intel will be very close to bringing out their 45nm process

Unlikely. Intel, like AMD 2 months later, only showed 45nm SRAM cells earlier this year. You wont likely see 45nm retail parts from either of the two before the end of 2007/Q1 2008, no matter what some funky roadmaps say. Fits very nicely in the 2 year shrink scheme Intel has been following in the past. You know, shrinking doesnt get easier with every step you take.

But yea, you can always wait for something better. Been like that forever. The only variable is, how long you have to wait.

 

[CyborgNinja117]

conroe, K8L's L3 cache is bad... latecy is too high neh... buy conroe since its a lot safer

 

[Furen]

Huh? K8L's L3 cache is bad? You know that, if there's no L3, you hit RAM, which has INSANELY HIGHER latency. Some decent prefetching and L3 could do wonders for AMD. K8L will, most likely, be AM2 (nothing official). That said, if you'll be upgrading in 3 or so months then just get whatever chip is the best at that time, dont worry about "future proofing" since motherboards are cheap enough and they gain new features all the time.

 

[Henny]

K8L is vaporware and you'll likely be waiting a very long time.

 

[broly8877]

Originally posted by: Henny
K8L is vaporware and you'll likely be waiting a very long time.

Just like the K8

In all seriousness, Core 2 Duo.

It'll be here in just a few weeks, and chances are K8L wont show up until late next year.. or later, given AMD's track record on introducing new architecture.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Henny
K8L is vaporware and you'll likely be waiting a very long time.

Henny doesn't really exist...he's just a marketing account for Intel. (j/k)

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Griswold

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: FFG
You read this one? :

0. Native quad core
1. Hypertransport up to 5.2GT/s
2. Better coherency
3. Private L2, shared L3 cache that scales up.
4. Separate power planes and pstates for north bridge and CPU
5. 128b FPUs - see 14,15
6. 48b virtual/physical addressing and 1GB pages
7. Support for DDR2, eventually DDR3
8. Support for FBD1 and 2 eventually
9. I/O virtualization and nested page tables
10. Memory mirroring, data poisoning, HT retry protocol support
11. 32B instead of 16B ifetch
12. Indirect branch predictors
13. OOO load execution - similar to memory disambiguation
14. 2x 128b SSE units
15. 2x 128b SSE LDs/cycle
16. Several new instructions

Coprocessors:
media processing
JVM/CLR acceleration
TOE, XML or SSL processing

That sounds like its going to own a big time.
Let me know what you think

And it's also reported by Dailytech to not be here until the beginning of 2008.
It would be silly to wait off on building a rig for what could be over a year.

Nothing has been officially reported because nothing official exists. As posted earlier, the best guess anyone has is, dual core K8L early 2007 and quad core K8L around the 2008 mark. And that is still just guesstimates.

That was my point. It has no firm/official date, and could be over or up to a year for release from now.

 

[OcHungry]

I would go for a cheap A64 and a good AM2 mobo, and upgrade to K8L in less than a year. A64 3000 sAM2's overclock to 2.7ghz w/ stock vcore, and has great price/performance ratio. You can purchase a cpu/mob for less than $300 overclock it and good to go. With conroe you have to spend twice as much. Then when K8L releases, all you do is upgrade the processor. Seems to me more logical. I also hear that K8L is 40%-50% increased performance. Imagine a person who has spent $700 on conroe/mobo and withing 6 months see's you beating him w/ only $200 spent on K8L CPU.

 

[FFG]

You dont know for sure that Intel will take beating from AMD's K8L,i doubt it will.And for now X2 and FX's seem to be pretty mid-end compared to Conroe.You heard that K8L is 45% increased performance but compared to what,X2's?Again you're not sure if AMD will bring more powerfull unit.
I just wanted to know if Intel is the way to go for Conroe and K8L after cpu's or AMD will actually prevail later
I've never owned Intel sys but from what i heard they also overclock pretty much.

I'm either looking at Asus high-end mobo/Conroe E6600,6700 with K8L in future or AMD X2 4400+ on AM2 socket board.

 

[broly8877]

Originally posted by: OcHungry
I would go for a cheap A64 and a good AM2 mobo, and upgrade to K8L in less than a year. A64 3000 sAM2's overclock to 2.7ghz w/ stock vcore, and has great price/performance ratio. You can purchase a cpu/mob for less than $300 overclock it and good to go. With conroe you have to spend twice as much. Then when K8L releases, all you do is upgrade the processor. Seems to me more logical. I also hear that K8L is 40%-50% increased performance. Imagine a person who has spent $700 on conroe/mobo and withing 6 months see's you beating him w/ only $200 spent on K8L CPU.

$190 E6300 + $150 MB = $340 dual core set up that OC's to 2.6+ on stock voltage.

Dual core, rapes everything AMD currently has to offer.

A $170 AM2 set up (half of $340) will come no where near that.

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: broly8877

Originally posted by: OcHungry
I would go for a cheap A64 and a good AM2 mobo, and upgrade to K8L in less than a year. A64 3000 sAM2's overclock to 2.7ghz w/ stock vcore, and has great price/performance ratio. You can purchase a cpu/mob for less than $300 overclock it and good to go. With conroe you have to spend twice as much. Then when K8L releases, all you do is upgrade the processor. Seems to me more logical. I also hear that K8L is 40%-50% increased performance. Imagine a person who has spent $700 on conroe/mobo and withing 6 months see's you beating him w/ only $200 spent on K8L CPU.

$190 E6300 + $150 MB = $340 dual core set up that OC's to 2.6+ on stock voltage.

Dual core, rapes everything AMD currently has to offer.

A $170 AM2 set up (half of $340) will come no where near that.

So you have tested both and came up w/ that concrete evidence?
What a dork.
which motherboard is that?
Abit SLI = $128
3800 x2 = $170 = overclocked to 2.8ghz
total = $298
I dont think Intel can beat this specially when it's future ready (to K8L).

 

[golem]

So you have tested both and came up w/ that concrete evidence?
What a dork.
which motherboard is that?
Abit SLI = $128
3800 x2 = $170 = overclocked to 2.8ghz
total = $298
I dont think Intel can beat this specially when it's future ready (to K8L).

Get over yourself. You call someone a dork when s/he uses numbers and prices that are grounded in reality (pricelist/previews). While just a few post up you spout off about how a processor that doesn't exist, with no possible pricing/performance numbers except from speculation will be a great buy? Fanboy Much?

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: golem

So you have tested both and came up w/ that concrete evidence?
What a dork.
which motherboard is that?
Abit SLI = $128
3800 x2 = $170 = overclocked to 2.8ghz
total = $298
I dont think Intel can beat this specially when it's future ready (to K8L).

Get over yourself. You call someone a dork when s/he uses numbers and prices that are grounded in reality (pricelist/previews). While just a few post up you spout off about how a processor that doesn't exist, with no possible pricing/performance numbers except from speculation will be a great buy? Fanboy Much?

conroe exists?
where?
Oh the cherry picks.
the 3800 x2 are selling at egg if you want one btw.
but if you wait till end of july you will get them cheaper ($170)

 

[golem]

conroe exists?
where?
Oh the cherry picks.
the 3800 x2 are selling at egg if you want one btw.
but if you wait till end of july you will get them cheaper ($170)

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Are you saying conroe doesn't exists, cherry picked or not?
Are you saying K8-L exists, even cherry picked ones? You have one or even see pictures of one? Because you talk as if the tinniest rumours of the K8-L are more valid than the previews on the web of the conroe. Show me a link to anything reputable that says the the K-8L will work in shipping AM2 Motherboards.
Show me a 3800x2 for $170? Bet you can't today? So again, rumours of the pricing of x2 3800 in July are more valid than published launch dates for conroe?

So in your world. Conroe only counts if I have one or can buy one today. But for the K8-L, rumours can be taken as truth and people should base their buying decisions on these rumours.

Again, Fanboy Much?

 

[lifeblood]

First, what do you have now? If you have a single core Athlon 64 then keep everything the way it is and get a dual core after the big price drops.

If you have something else, then it?s a roll of the dice. You can 1.) Get an AM2 with dual core processor and upgrade it to K8L later IF K8L is better, or 2.) Get Conroe when it?s available and use that until you have to make the next upgrade.

I?m going to replace my single core 3000+ with a dual core after the price drops then sit back and wait to see how K8L compares to Conroe. An X2 will do everything I need it to do for the near future.

 

[lifeblood]

I just read my reply and realized I didn't answer your questions. So, lets try this again. If your PC today is not able to do what you want it to do then get a Conroe when it's available. Don't wait or you'll always be waiting. K8L may be better, or it may not. It's not worth suffering just to find out it's not. If your rig can last you a little while like mine can then sit back, grab some popcorn, and watch the show.

 

[Regs]

Even if the K8L comes in 2007 it still doesn't resolve the fact that the AM2 was a disappointment. True, AMD was not planning it to be the answer to Conroe, but they should have at least gave it something so it would be somewhat more attractive. It does not make sense to me to how they will try to sell these motherboards when their is nothing to gain from them. Though it's good for the market as a whole and DDR manufactures can start phasing out DDR-1 soon though it still leaves a lack of hope that AMD can regain performance in a timely fashion. The lack of information given at Computex pretty much sealed the deal for people waiting on Conroe. My advice is to not to wait for the K8L and get Conroe. Their is no better time than now for AMD fans to switch to an Intel system.

I wish I can go over at AMD corp. and ring each of their necks for sitting on the K8 for so long while their marketing director states, "Intel is only playing catch-up". Though after sitting on their performance crown - they have by no means wasted their valuable time. Their manufacturing capacity is growing at a ever staggering rate. In a matter of fact they quadrupled their chip-making capacity by spending billions upgrading and building new facilities in just 3 years. Which includes the transition to the 300mm wafer and opening fab 38. Thanks to the K7 and mostly the K8, AMD is a growing beast. I have faith that their continued research, growing capital, and acquisition of pioneering engineer know-how will only further strengthen their future out look.

The performance crown that they earned for the last 2 or 3 years has gave them a golden opportunity. Though their manufacturing capacity limited them for gaining larger market shares. AMD is no longer the little train that could, but a ever growing and prospering competitor to Intel.