K10 on September 10

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: StopSign
K10 will surely be slower than Conroe. Almost all signs point to scaling problems. Unless it's tremendously faster clock-for-clock than Conroe, K10 will be just as underwhelming as R600.

dreaming again huh??

 

[covert24]

Yea with the on board memory controller AMD will be a force to reckon with. Thats something ive always like about the amd chips, the infamous onboard memory controller.

 

[Furen]

Originally posted by: covert24
Yea with the on board memory controller AMD will be a force to reckon with. Thats something ive always like about the amd chips, the infamous onboard memory controller.

Always? we've only had them since late 2003. Before that memory performance for AMD chips always sucked, courtesy of VIA's/SIS's/Nvidia's crappy memory controllers.

 

[Regs]

After the abysmal launch and line up of the R600, I don't see the barcelona doing any better. It's going to be another launch where it maybe does good against Intels value market and fall short on the higher end markets. Maybe in '08 will see something a little better from AMD, like a new CEO.

In either case, for a gamer, it has not been a good year in general. It's been completely transistional on the pc while the consoles took all the glory. STALKER was released 2 years too late and WoW is not exactly for the older gamers.

Though the RTS games pulled through again at least! Company of Heros, Medieval 2, and C&C 3 were all good games. Though you didn't need a Core Duo and a 8800 to play them with.

 

[Nathelion]

The one BIG advantage I see for the K10 chips is temperature, at least for quad core. Currently, if you get an intel quad core you will have to get water cooling to even get it under 70-75 C under load (those temps are with good air towers). With their lower power requirements, Barcelonas will run a lot cooler. I imagine that will do a lot for processor lifetime as well. For hard-core enthusiasts this may or may not be an issue, but in, say, the OEM market I imagine there would be savings to be made from less expensive heatsinks, cheaper PSUs, and other peripherals, plus your computer wouldn't turn into a semi-portable heating unit. So I can see AMD having an advantage on that front in at least some markets.

 

[sliderule]

Originally posted by: Regs
After the abysmal launch and line up of the R600, I don't see the barcelona doing any better.

Well I don't trust what AMD says anymore, but I wouldn't assume k10 will be bad because r600 didn't meet expectations.

These product's are essentially from two different companies, since AMD/ATI weren't together before these products were in development.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Don't you mean "kowabunga"?

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: Nathelion
The one BIG advantage I see for the K10 chips is temperature, at least for quad core. Currently, if you get an intel quad core you will have to get water cooling to even get it under 70-75 C under load (those temps are with good air towers). With their lower power requirements, Barcelonas will run a lot cooler.

There's no evidence that Barcelona will be cooler. By the time the 2GHz Barcelona is released, Intel will have a 50W 2GHz Clovertown on the market. Meanwhile, even the 2.67GHz Clovertowns/Kentsfields currently dissipate less power than many dual-core Pentium Ds or the 6000+, so they are by no means "hot".

 

[Nathelion]

Originally posted by: Accord99
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Nathelion
The one BIG advantage I see for the K10 chips is temperature, at least for quad core. Currently, if you get an intel quad core you will have to get water cooling to even get it under 70-75 C under load (those temps are with good air towers). With their lower power requirements, Barcelonas will run a lot cooler. </end quote></div>
There's no evidence that Barcelona will be cooler. By the time the 2GHz Barcelona is released, Intel will have a 50W 2GHz Clovertown on the market. Meanwhile, even the 2.67GHz Clovertowns/Kentsfields currently dissipate less power than many dual-core Pentium Ds or the 6000+, so they are by no means "hot".

Well that would depend on what you mean by hot. IMO both the Pentium D and the 6000+ are fire-breathing monstrosities.

 

[bryanW1995]

that's still pretty impressive that a quad core with much better performance per clock dissipates less power than several mainstream dual cores.