K&N's statement on their filters' ineffectiveness at filtering

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Greenman

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K&N has their iso 5011 test results on their website.

Edit: Apparently, they don't have the results, just a bunch of pics of how cool the setup is.
 
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Meghan54

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K&N has their iso 5011 test results on their website.

Edit: Apparently, they don't have the results, just a bunch of pics of how cool the setup is.


I'm sure K&N has that test data, but they don't dare release it, esp. after the drubbing they gave a forum member on Bobistheoilguy's forum, who being an automotive engineer, followed the standard air flow/dirt testing and posted the dismal results K&N suffered, esp. when the K&N filter was completely embarrassed and outperformed by an AC Delco OEM air filter.

Such is K&N marketing....call those with knowledge liars and such but refuse to back up their BS with facts and figures.
 

Zargon

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14 bucks for the paper filter for my Jeep, changed at 2 year intervals, no other maintenance, and my MAF sensor is clean. I'm way ahead of you. And I'm using a better filter.

how are you ahead of me? because your jeeps filters are cheaper? that doesn't even make sense, especially since jeeps are unreliable POS's so I'm obviously way ahead of you!!! :p
 

Throckmorton

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how do you figure?

so my wifes car has a k&n drop it

it was 32 bucks, vs ~16 for the OEM

10 bucks for the cleaning supplies that will clean god knows how many filters

changing the filter out, is maintenance

I clean/oil the filter annually, so 4 cleanings so far, at 42 bucks total, or 4 additional filters at 16 ea.....I'm already ahead

yes throck, everyone knows they let in more dirt, which you keep repeating over and over and over

is it enough to cause actual problems that will shorten the life of the car? you certainly have never proven that.

your one source you quoted was a a guy with pickup, was he offroading? driving on gravel alot?

was it a street only truck?

You can use the wrong oil weight. You can use the wrong octane gas. You can never change your fluids. Your car will keep going. Do you do those things? No. It's stupid to use a filter that filters MUCH worse, creates MORE work for yourself, and costs MORE. There is NO gain to using the K&N. Not only that, but you're patronizing a company that misleads consumers. What reason could you possibly have to choose K&N?

Seriously, give me one reason. Is it because you already bought it and are mentally invested in it being better? You know what that's called? Cognitive dissonance.

The source isn't "a guy with a pickup". He did actual ISO 5011 testing.
 
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Throckmorton

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K&N has their iso 5011 test results on their website.

Edit: Apparently, they don't have the results, just a bunch of pics of how cool the setup is.


They give lots of data on the testing method. But they don't post actual results. They say their filters filter 96-99%. Guess what... paper filters do much better than 99%. 96% is abysmal. Would anybody put a filter like that in their house?
 
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Does anyone make a QUALITY non-oil clamp-on regular paper cone filter?


Looking at a cts-v that has a volant oiled filter. It doesn't come with the factory intake, so that oil filter will have to be the first thing to go.

I read that volant makes a 100k mile "dry" filter, but I really just want a plain filter.
 

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yes i realize this thread is really old, but didn't want to start a new one, and wanted to tap into a few knowledgeable folks that were posting to this thread.

So i am a believer in science and test results.

I have also been using the K&N air filters, believing their marketing (for a while) and also some wrongly applied "logic"

IE if they got their start for dirt bike racing one would figure their filters, filter out enough dirt to protect a motor.

---- that was in the past.

But here's a real world situation where maybe i should use one? or maybe i should never use one.

Rally racing. I've been doing rally for about 6 years and I've gone through 3 motors in that time. And i had been using K&N Air filters.

I got all of my motors from a junk yard or dismantler and had the expectation that I'd probably only see 2 years of life from one.

Sometimes after 100 miles of racing you are only seconds away from your nearest competitor.

Since i expect to kill a motor every 2 years, Should i use a K&N air filter because maybe that slight slight decrease in flow resistance will gain me 1-2 seconds over 100 miles of flat our racing.

Yes it lets in more dirt, and I'm in the WORST possible conditions for dirt, so i'm not letting in 1 gram extra, probably 4-5. (wow that's sorta scary to think about) ...

OR should i switch to AC Delco, which might cost me a win . though near the end of the life of the motor maybe it will give me a win because of reduced engine wear ?

for a junkyard motor that sees lets say 1500 miles of the most abusive treatment possible, do you think saving the motor from grams of extra dirt is going to prevent it from Dieing so soon ?

I used to race on a 1.8L subaru motor. i've switched to a 2.5 , both are N/A
i recently switched to a better air intake , that tested on a dyno compared to the stock air intake (same day) had me jump from 113 hp to 125! i also went from 137 tq to 142. (i had a K&N filter in both intakes stock motor with an upgraded Cam, full race exhaust after the stock header )

stock air intake was a 98 design, and combined with my after market Cam it was limiting the engine.

but the real question, Is this a situation where i should use K&N knowing it lets in more dirt, because my goal is to win races. :confused:

Bumping an old thread to add a new question nearly 100 posts in isn't going to get you the help you want. Most people will simply see the original post and respond to that without noticing the date. Those who do notice the date will often only comment about how this is a "necro" thread (that is, a thread raised from the dead) without directly responding to your question.

The best thing to do is to post a new thread with your question about the tradeoffs between flow and filtration.

Zenmervolt - AnandTech Moderator
 
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