K&N's statement on their filters' ineffectiveness at filtering

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Throckmorton

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My friend put a cold air intake in her girlfriend's Mini so I'm trying to convince her not to use a K&N filter... So I Googled to see if there has been any change in public awareness about the crappiness of their filters. Apparently not but I did find their FAQ http://www.knfilters.com/faq.htm#24


24. More airflow means you are letting more dirt through, right?

No. Filtration testing measures the percentage of dust retained before the filter reaches a terminal test pressure, often 10" of restriction above initial restriction. We use airflow as a simplified term to explain a more complicated physical process. The more precise description is restriction: K&N air filters create less restriction which helps an engine run better. An engine will only use the air it needs and our air filters do not result in an engine using more air than necessary. Rather, they result in the engine experiencing less restriction. The terms airflow and restriction are inversely related. Our air filters provide either less restriction at a fixed airflow rate; or more airflow as a fixed level of restriction. In neither case is more air being used than necessary.



Notice how they didn't even address the question at all. Instead they say "our filters don't flow more air than necessary". :mad:

For reference: http://forums.nicoclub.com/debunking-the-k-n-myth-why-oem-is-better-t180100.html
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm

Also for reference, the thread where a K&N rep posted claiming "misinformation" but without actually addressing the issue of poor filtration: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2040364
 
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foghorn67

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That's damn good PR team right there.

I still say they are exceptional for race engine builds. You know they have to rebuild after a thousand miles are so. For SCORE applications, you can't beat it.

Putting it in a DD, YMMV. Not a gamble I want to take.
 

Carfax83

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I had a K&N CAI once, and I had no problems with it other than cleaning and re-oiling could be messy laborious. I switched over to AFE Pro dry S filter though since it came with my ram air hood, and I much prefer the AFE.

Not only did I notice more power with the AFE, but to clean it all I have to do is blow it out with my electric air duster, which I do about once a week.

You can wash it as well, but I read that it reduces the filtration efficiency of the material over time.
 
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That's damn good PR team right there.

I still say they are exceptional for race engine builds. You know they have to rebuild after a thousand miles are so. For SCORE applications, you can't beat it.

Putting it in a DD, YMMV. Not a gamble I want to take.


Agreed.

I've bought cars that used them and spent hours cleaning oil film out of the intake system and off sensors etc.

I think they may flow slightly better than stock, but at the expense of filtration. Puralotors filters really well and are cheap, that's what I put in non-exotics. OEM for everything else.
 
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I thought I remember there being a thread a while ago where a K&N rep joined the forums and answered some questions, but I don't think he ever replied when he was called out on how you can flow more air without letting in more dirt.


Omfg I wish I could've been there for that.
 

LTC8K6

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The restriction in airflow through a stock engine is not from the paper air filter, clean or dirty.

Their explanation is gobbledygook, imo.
 

Murloc

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lol that older thread is epic.
I don't care much about car modding etc., but I did notice that the internet hates K&N filters to guts.

They're being really sneaky with not submitting their own data. And it works because lots of people don't even bother to check.
 

HybridSquirrel

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There is a k&n drop in on my sti....I haven't noticed any difference, but I never used them in any car I had before this.
 

FuzzyDunlop

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oh wow. I think I will NOT be using the K&N filters from now on. I always wondered if they really did anythign at all. Great thread that was. just great.
 

7window

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. I used K&N on my nissan 240sx. The car lasted to 200000 miles when it blew a head gasket. I never raced the car but I used it for work and travel sometimes. I am not here to defend K & N nor do I have evidence that K & N added power to my car. I only raced the car once and it was limited to just 1 run. I also noticed a bunch of sand and dirt near the filter whenever I swap it back and forth to original intake. Strange.

I also have a K & N on my mustang 06 gt. I will not put it back anymore because its a pain to do it when you have to smog the car. It is not hard to put it back and take it off. It takes 20 minutes to swap but I don't want to be bothered to replace it when its time for smog. I also noticed the car ping more when K & N is on the car. Maybe more heat going in?
 

JCH13

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. I used K&N on my nissan 240sx. The car lasted to 200000 miles when it blew a head gasket. I never raced the car but I used it for work and travel sometimes. I am not here to defend K & N nor do I have evidence that K & N added power to my car. I only raced the car once and it was limited to just 1 run. I also noticed a bunch of sand and dirt near the filter whenever I swap it back and forth to original intake. Strange.

I'm sure your driving environment makes a hell of a difference in the practical difference a filter makes. If you live down a dirt road, for example, K&N will kill your engine faster. If you live in a humid southern state with no sand and lots of rain to keep dust down it might not be a big difference.

I also have a K & N on my mustang 06 gt. I will not put it back anymore because its a pain to do it when you have to smog the car. It is not hard to put it back and take it off. It takes 20 minutes to swap but I don't want to be bothered to replace it when its time for smog. I also noticed the car ping more when K & N is on the car. Maybe more heat going in?

Lul wut? Ping from an air filter? Maybe if there's a shit-load of oil from the K&N getting on your MAF... but I've never heard of it before personally.

It's definitely not 'letting in more heat' though.
 

Throckmorton

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YAK&NT......

This has been debated and beat to death.

And yet the vast majority of car enthusiasts think K&N is "better". Every musclecar, offroad, and hot rod show "upgrades" their cars with K&N filters. Every aftermarket focused magazine recommends K&N. Very very few people realize how much their filters suck.
 

Gillbot

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And yet the vast majority of car enthusiasts think K&N is "better". Every musclecar, offroad, and hot rod show "upgrades" their cars with K&N filters. Every aftermarket focused magazine recommends K&N. Very very few people realize how much their filters suck.

And yet the vast majority of the uninformed think K&N is "better". Every musclecar, offroad, and hot rod show "upgrades" their cars with K&N filters. Every aftermarket focused magazine recommends K&N. Very very few people realize how much their filters suck.

FTFY

And there's a reason the shows and magazines do it... Have you not ever heard of PAID advertizing? ;) I also disagree with the last statement. MANY people do know how poor their filters are, but there's a new sucker born every minute.
 

7window

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Serious ??. So if k & n is that bad, are the other manufacturers the same crap too? The ones that look identical to k & N? Some requires tune after installing cai.
 

yottabit

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One thing I hate about the K&N drop in filters it that on most of them that I have seen, the surface area of the filter material is actually substantially smaller than the surface area of a an OEM/paper filter because of the large amount of plastic/rubber around the edges of the K&N drop in. On the filter for my Saturn this was like a 20% reduction in area, which probably negates any performance gain.

It's no secret that oiled air filters let more dust through. Is it worth it? Sometimes. On my turbo car I would run a 4" oiled air filter and it made a huge difference. Lots of people with turbo drag cars run with no intake filter at all.

I do believe substantial gains can be had on some cars from a simple CAI install, but I've never seen a drop in replacement result in a noticeable gain
 
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