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Justice, Wal-Mart style
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alphatarget1
Diamond Member
Anyone who expects ordinary walmart employees to be able to follow written instructions is giving these people too much credit. I returned a video card and the woman was like "oh it's an electronics item, you can't return it because it might've gotten a virus or something".
alphatarget1
Diamond Member
We all know that human life values nothing in Ronstang's terms.
DainBramaged
Lifer
word...i hope they fry every employee who didn't listen. Somebody got him a rug to lay on for chrissake. What the fvck?
ShotgunSteven
Lifer
I thought they had pictograph versions of their employee manuals.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Portz said one of the Wal-Mart employees had Driver in a choke hold as other employees pinned his body to the ground.
"He was begging, 'Please, I'm burning, let me up,' " Portz said of Driver. "He'd push himself up off the blacktop, like he was doing a push-up.
"About 30 people were saying, 'Let him up, it's too hot,' " Portz said. He said another employee brought a rug for Driver to lie on, but one of those holding Driver said he was fine where he was. "After about five minutes, (Driver) said, 'I'm dying, I can't breathe, call an ambulance,' " Portz said.
Employees struggled with Driver before he was handcuffed, Martin said.
"There was a struggle, and when they finally succeeded after getting him detained in handcuffs, he continued to struggle," Martin said.
After Driver was handcuffed, Portz said one employee had his knee on the man's neck and others were putting pressure on his back.
"Finally the guy stopped moving" and the employees got off him, Portz said. "They wouldn't call an ambulance.
"I looked at him and said, 'Hey, he's not breathing,' but one guy told me (Driver) was just on drugs. I told them his fingernails were all gray, and finally they called an ambulance."
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Bolded lines is how he died.
Pressure on Neck and back, throat closed and ribs could not move.
He died of aphixiation (Not enough Air for 4 minutes to the brain)
Bouncers killed an Atlanta College kid this past January in front of Club Razzoo the same way.
January 4, 2005: NAACP Calls For Federal Probe Of Bourbon Street Death
Ketteringo
Banned
Having the death penalty for any major crime would eliminate pretty much all crime overnight, right?
No more shoplifting, no more mugging, no more theft. Would it be worth it?
No more shoplifting, no more mugging, no more theft. Would it be worth it?
boredhokie
Senior member
Interesting theory, but thats assuming that there is no error in the law. If you shoot enough wrongly accused people get ready for a revolution.
alphatarget1
Diamond Member
The Constitution prevents cruel and unusual punishment.
My question is why didn't the employees call the police? Where I worked we had to actually see the person take an item off the shelf and leave the store. When we did we first called the police then made sure the person didn't leave. They had like 9 minutes to call the cops on the guy and didn't, but they took it upon themselves to handcuff him? Seems barbaric to me, leave that work up to the men who are professionally trained to do it.
Y'all are forgettin' this happened in Texas. I don't know if it's different for employees/businesses, but if someone is stealing your stuff, you can use deadly force to stop them. Period. Is that over the top? Maybe, but I would sure as heck think twice about stealing something in Texas. Combine this with the conceal and carry law and you have a pretty good deterrent.
HumblePie
Lifer
Doesn't matter, in Texas you can use anything up to and including deadly force against trespassers and burglars. Shoplifting still falls under burglary, but is usually not considered as big a crime because the items in usually stolen while shoplifting are usually under $1000. Over that, and it gets a burglarly charge which is a pretty serious felony offense. But shoplifting is a misdemeanor form of burglarly last I remembered. So that means that, yes, they can by the law in Texas kill him. Strange but true. It's Walmart's private property. The employee's were defending it. Hence, it's all legal.
Personally though, I think the Wal-mart employees were frikking retards and should get get theirs nuts kicked so hard they wear them as a neck-tie.
True, which is why I said it might be different for employees/businesses. The way I see it, if WalMart can be sued for their actions, they were acting on WalMart's behalf as agents of WalMart.
TEXAS PENAL CODE
Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
~ ~ (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
~ ~ (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
~ ~ ~ (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
~ ~ ~ (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
~ ~ (3) he reasonably believes that:
~ ~ ~ (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
~ ~ ~ (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
Sec. 30.02. BURGLARY. (a) A person commits an offense if, without the effective consent of the owner, he:
~ ~ (1) enters a habitation, or a building (or any portion of a building) not then open to the public, with intent to commit a felony or theft; or
~ ~ (2) remains concealed, with intent to commit a felony or theft, in a building or habitation; or
~ ~ (3) enters a building or habitation and commits or attempts to commit a felony or theft.
Of course, this case is not cut and dry considering that they were just employees and that they had already restrained him. But, my point is that in Texas, you can use deadly force to protect your property. Will this protect WalMart or the employees from a civil suit? No, but I seriously doubt there will be criminal charges.
Oh yeah.....Don't mess with Texas. 😀
FleshLight
Diamond Member
I wish CA's penal code looked something like that 🙂
dmcowen674
No Lifer
More on "positional asphyxiation.":
Witherspoon always informs his clients that struggling with combative suspects can lead to death by "positional asphyxiation."
"This can happen when someone is on top of a suspect who's face-down with hands handcuffed behind their back," he said. "This prevents them from breathing, and they suffocate."
For the past decade, the International Association of Chiefs of Police has warned against the dangers of positional asphyxia, and many police departments have re-evaluated use-of-force procedures because some suspects have died in struggles.
dainthomas
Lifer
You forgot to highlight the "nighttime" parts.
California is full of liberals, who protect the criminals and punish the victims, so don't hold your breath. The law that allows use of deadly force to protect property here in Texas has been on the books about 15 years and has been tested and tested and the property owners always win. Makes a criminal think twice. The concealed carry law has had a nice impact also.
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