Justice Thomas accepted millions in gifts from right wing mega donor

[ivwshane]

If enough Democrats understood the situation and at least prepared for it by getting, for example, all the blue state governors, senators and Congress people on the same page, state legislators, or as many as possible, on what to do when this line is crossed and when this line is crossed, maybe we could avoid a civil war. Otherwise it's all being reactionary and knee jerk when you aren't prepared.

But these guys want to live in an alternate reality. It's pretty sad, but it definitely explains history how populations were so unprepared because the so-called smartest people in the room were actually really fucking stupid.

Exactly! Every dem controlled legislature needs to be doing all they can to shore up our democracy. That also means putting into place things to make our government transparent and accountable and it needs to be nearly impossible to undo.

 

[Zorba]

When did I ever fantasize about a civil war? Should be super easy to quote me if I'm fantasizing about it.

I'm trying to wonder if some of you people really understand English sometimes.

Here is one of multiple times:

It's time to propose a national divorce.

Feel free to post what your other solutions are. Right now it just seems like bitching at anyone that actually says what could work, especially if they acknowledge it'll be hard work.

 

[Zorba]

So continue the slide then? How long should we let our democracy crater until extreme options are put on the table?

We either need real, workable solutions or accept our fate, or fight. How much more rigging are you willing to accept before enough is enough?

So you are pro civil war? Fuck trying to get more house seats, fuck supporting Joe Biden, fuck trying to reform Section 230 so we stop radicalizing everyone online, fuck primary reform, fuck ballot measures, nope let's just get straight to the civil war. Sorry, I'll use you all's euphemism "national divorce." Because you know, a bloodless separation of the cities from rural areas will be so much easier than trying to make any other changes within the system.

 

[ivwshane]

So you are pro civil war? Fuck trying to get more house seats, fuck supporting Joe Biden, fuck trying to reform Section 230 so we stop radicalizing everyone online, fuck primary reform, fuck ballot measures, nope let's just get straight to the civil war. Sorry, I'll use you all's euphemism "national divorce." Because you know, a bloodless separation of the cities from rural areas will be so much easier than trying to make any other changes within the system.

If you think those are solutions then post them. I’ve asked many times in many different threads for solutions and it’s always either silence or vague meaningless answers.

So explain how a) any of your solutions would help the issue and b) how any of your solutions actually gets passed.

 

[cytg111]

If you think those are solutions then post them. I’ve asked many times in many different threads for solutions and it’s always either silence or vague meaningless answers.

So explain how a) any of your solutions would help the issue and b) how any of your solutions actually gets passed.

Well if you got more seats you could actually do something like expand the court.
How to get more seats? How about taking down the Jim Jones mega phone broadcasting suicide recipes out to the masses, aka Fox News. Seems like you already got momentum there. To me the Weber quote seems to suggests that everyone not willing to roll over and die should probably get actively involved in things, protests, policies, help stir shit up. Maybe. Just dont take it lying down, go out screaming.
Another thing that comes to mind that the masses might need pointing out, that without MAIN STREAM MEDIA, journalism, the free press, nothing of this would have ever surfaced. The MSM that the right loses no opportunities to attack and dismantle. Fox have not covered this. Conservative “new stream media” havent covered this, talking about Rogan, Russel Brand, Bandingo etc etc. Start getting the word out, the old fashioned way. Door to door.
I am rambling, tf I know.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Hmm, this thread seems to be missing our conservative leaning members.

 

[cytg111]

Hmm, this thread seems to be missing our conservative leaning members.

Speaking of pcgeek, didnt he state that he specifically voted for Trump because of the justices?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Speaking of pcgeek, didnt he state that he specifically voted for Trump because of the justices?

Lol, u think he’ll remember that? R’s that voted for trump twice are basically full on tribalism at this point any complaints, even with piles of evidence, will be met with word game shenanigans, and slew of logical fallacy arguments, and “with hunt!!!”

 

[cytg111]

Another thing that I was pondering the other day was Disney and the thing going on there. Surely the strategists at major corporations must realize that the only environment where they can optimally profit is a functioning capitalistic democratic society. Right? So with the right descending into the abyss, from the corruption of the highest court to straight up maga fascism, the mega corporations that used to buy congress influence on the right… in an act of self preservation, must surely reverse course? Disney is the shining example. And if you dont have a semi wealthy middle class, who tf is gonna buy your products?
Intuitively it seems like mega corps should shift their weight to the left at this point.

 

[cytg111]

Lets sprinkle some salt on it

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/04/politics/sonia-sotomayor-neil-gorsuch-book-recusal-supreme-court-cases/index.html

 

[Fenixgoon]

They really lean into that "supreme" part of the title 🤬

 

[Zorba]

If you think those are solutions then post them. I’ve asked many times in many different threads for solutions and it’s always either silence or vague meaningless answers.

So explain how a) any of your solutions would help the issue and b) how any of your solutions actually gets passed.

You are really far gone if you don't understand how democrats winning elections might help Democrats policy making agenda.

More seats means it would be easier to push reforms through including new voters rights, court expansion, ethics requirements, term limits, etc.

Reforming 230 would make it harder/less profitable for companies to radicalize people by pushing them down a rabbit hole of bullshit. I know many people here think civil war is better than an even tiny adjustment to 230 though, even though deregulation of media and extreme radicalization is what has gotten us here.

Of course you still continue to propose no solutions and will just continue attacking the people that are.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Republican exceptionalism?

 

[Pens1566]

Thomas has always been regarded as one of the lesser minds to ever even approach the court (waves at Harriet Miers). But, I thought he'd at least be smart enough that he'd pick a billionaire with a different name to pull his strings.

 

[MrSquished]

Here is one of multiple times:



Feel free to post what your other solutions are. Right now it just seems like bitching at anyone that actually says what could work, especially if they acknowledge it'll be hard work.

How is that fantasizing about civil war? You really read into things a lot and make stuff up, you should take care of that.

I always said if it is going to happen, it has to happen as a negotiated proposal, I never once said we should attack the other side. In fact, when fskim said if I thought the GQP was going to be that evil, the only answer is to pre-emptively attack them, I said hell no you are nuts.

In this case, the blue sane people need to make plans for when the GQP starts to cross certain lines so we present a united front on how we avoid all being taken over by the fascists. Or you can do what you guys seem to want to do - hard results take a long slow time, so we basically just bank on that. Yeah, I prefer not to go out like the folks in all the previous shitty historic political movements because they all just did the exact same thing.

Good luck in fantasy land.

 

[MrSquished]

You are really far gone if you don't understand how democrats winning elections might help Democrats policy making agenda.

More seats means it would be easier to push reforms through including new voters rights, court expansion, ethics requirements, term limits, etc.

Reforming 230 would make it harder/less profitable for companies to radicalize people by pushing them down a rabbit hole of bullshit. I know many people here think civil war is better than an even tiny adjustment to 230 though, even though deregulation of media and extreme radicalization is what has gotten us here.

Of course you still continue to propose no solutions and will just continue attacking the people that are.

What solution? I've asked numerous times for a framework or timeline from the pseudo intellectuals on how are we going to do massive things like change the structure of our institutions, like the SC, congress, the EC, and more, within this system that is so stacked and broken towards a minority rule by the GQP?

Please tell us - with the Senate completely stacked with small regressive states, the house being capped at a number which is also causing overrepresentation by the fascists, gerrymandering, the SC being corrupt, the electoral college being so antiquated, the GQP setting up to overthrow election results, etc..

I've asked, but nobody can come up with an answer. Oh it'll just happen slow progress everyone just needs to vote more and it will all get better.

Sorry, your side's inability to come up with any reasonable answer is not an answer. Being hopeful is not an answer.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Here is one of multiple times:



Feel free to post what your other solutions are. Right now it just seems like bitching at anyone that actually says what could work, especially if they acknowledge it'll be hard work.

So you are pro civil war? Fuck trying to get more house seats, fuck supporting Joe Biden, fuck trying to reform Section 230 so we stop radicalizing everyone online, fuck primary reform, fuck ballot measures, nope let's just get straight to the civil war. Sorry, I'll use you all's euphemism "national divorce." Because you know, a bloodless separation of the cities from rural areas will be so much easier than trying to make any other changes within the system.

They're saying right wingers 100% will attempt violence to get control and that people need to prepare for it. Because they've already tried it and continue to say they will go that route.

Also, a "divorce" as the one poster says is explicitly their solution for preventing civil war, by basically saying to amicably breakup before it happens.

You are really far gone if you don't understand how democrats winning elections might help Democrats policy making agenda.

More seats means it would be easier to push reforms through including new voters rights, court expansion, ethics requirements, term limits, etc.

Reforming 230 would make it harder/less profitable for companies to radicalize people by pushing them down a rabbit hole of bullshit. I know many people here think civil war is better than an even tiny adjustment to 230 though, even though deregulation of media and extreme radicalization is what has gotten us here.

Of course you still continue to propose no solutions and will just continue attacking the people that are.

230 isn't going to fix the issues. Plus, how you think it will happen, let alone in a way that doesn't make things just as bad (but in a different way) if not worse I think is naive at best.

 

[MrSquished]

I already said my solution, the blue sane states need to start to get on the same page - how to fight the progress of this fascism on one hand, and also about certain hard lines that when the fascists cross, the blue states and dem politicians of all ranks are all prepared to react in a united front with strong messaging to push back. A plan for each line they will cross, with the ultimate final line being we have to propose a negotiated split as our values no longer align. If there is no main plan, the responses are going to be haphazard, non coordinated, messaged super poorly and fail spectacularly. But since pseudo-intellectuals want to live in a la la land that hey we can just fix this it will just take a long time, without providing any real pragmatic framework of how to do so, this is not happening.

The situation gets worse every month. So please, tell me how we are going to reform a 200 year old broken system of government BEFORE the GQP takes us into hell. Nobody can tell me that. I'm not saying don't try, but certainly don't be so fucking naive that it will just have to work and that's that.

So you are pro civil war? Fuck trying to get more house seats, fuck supporting Joe Biden, fuck trying to reform Section 230 so we stop radicalizing everyone online, fuck primary reform, fuck ballot measures, nope let's just get straight to the civil war. Sorry, I'll use you all's euphemism "national divorce." Because you know, a bloodless separation of the cities from rural areas will be so much easier than trying to make any other changes within the system.

And where did I say I was against any of those things? You really are projecting too much. Have a beer, relax, your mind is running away from you.

 

[Thump553]

I think this is funny as hell.

How so?

 

[fskimospy]

I already said my solution, the blue sane states need to start to get on the same page - how to fight the progress of this fascism on one hand, and also about certain hard lines that when the fascists cross, the blue states and dem politicians of all ranks are all prepared to react in a united front with strong messaging to push back. A plan for each line they will cross, with the ultimate final line being we have to propose a negotiated split as our values no longer align. If there is no main plan, the responses are going to be haphazard, non coordinated, messaged super poorly and fail spectacularly. But since pseudo-intellectuals want to live in a la la land that hey we can just fix this it will just take a long time, without providing any real pragmatic framework of how to do so, this is not happening.

The situation gets worse every month. So please, tell me how we are going to reform a 200 year old broken system of government BEFORE the GQP takes us into hell. Nobody can tell me that. I'm not saying don't try, but certainly don't be so fucking naive that it will just have to work and that's that.



And where did I say I was against any of those things? You really are projecting too much. Have a beer, relax, your mind is running away from you.

Okay so detail to us what those hard lines are. Be specific.

Speaking of la la land, I find the outline of your plan very funny. You think Republicans are fascists who are attempting to destroy democracy and your answer is coordinated messaging and then when they've gone far enough politely asking them to surrender their power over blue states. Their answer would simply be 'lol, no'.

 

[repoman0]

Their answer would simply be 'lol, no'.

This seems really obvious to me too. They know very well that we pay the bills.

 

[Zorba]

You guys are really funny. "Fixing the court will be too hard and take too long. Let's just split the country!"

There is literally no way a bloodless national divorce will ever happen. It's already been attempted and didn't work. No way either side would actually give up the economic and strategic value of the other side.

Further the most red states are still ~35% liberal and the most blue states are still ~40% fascist. It's not like splitting the states will actually solve the facist problem.

 

[fskimospy]

This seems really obvious to me too. They know very well that we pay the bills.

Exactly.

Also it doesn't even matter that blue states pay the bills from a logical perspective. Republicans already control red states so there's no need for a coup to control them - the only reason to illegally seize power is to control the blue states! Why would Republicans seize power and then give up exactly the thing they seized power to control?

 

[MrSquished]

Okay so detail to us what those hard lines are. Be specific.

Speaking of la la land, I find the outline of your plan very funny. You think Republicans are fascists who are attempting to destroy democracy and your answer is coordinated messaging and then when they've gone far enough politely asking them to surrender their power over blue states. Their answer would simply be 'lol, no'.

Coordinated plan does not mean just messaging. That is literally not just what I said, but it seems some people are having problems with being honest about my views lately, such as I will not support Biden (apparently you can't even criticize the Dem choices anymore to the pseudo intellectuals or they will accuse you of not supporting the party in the next election), or that I am not for trying to reform the system at all. All poppycock nonsense made up bs.

You need the dems to come up with legal plans for certain red lines as they get crossed. I don't care if it's slightly exaggerated legalese or not, they need to have some contingency plan, and unified, and how to message these plans AND how to implement them. Always with peaceful intentions but knowing that the fascists may turn it violent at some point.

I am not a constitutional scholar, so I can't literally write up the legal side plans, but your plan is to just be totally unprepared, just try to take it long and slow, with no preparation for what has happened all the time in modern history - democracies or more free societies being taken over by authoritarian nationalist groups.

You've refused to answer the question, and many others, why do you think this can and won't happen in America? Want to pretend like you have an answer?

 

[MrSquished]

You guys are really funny. "Fixing the court will be too hard and take too long. Let's just split the country!"

There is literally no way a bloodless national divorce will ever happen. It's already been attempted and didn't work. No way either side would actually give up the economic and strategic value of the other side.

Further the most red states are still ~35% liberal and the most blue states are still ~40% fascist. It's not like splitting the states will actually solve the facist problem.

When I ask the question, please propose a 4 year realistic timeline and framework for how the court will be fixed in our current political and institutional landscape, nobody answers. You guys have no plan.

Who knows how bloody a national divorce might be, I am saying,it must not be a violent plan, it must be a peaceful plan with knowing it can get violent. THat is a definite possibility. But it's not inevitable to be a huge massive war either. You don't even have the fortitude to realize a threat and at least come up with a solid backup plan if your completely non-existent plans to reform this entire government, don't work. You don't have an A plan for what you want to happen, or a plan B plan in case it doesn't. You have nothing.

Sure there will be fascists living in a blue America if that happens, who said that they will magically disappear? Nobody. Again more strawmen you make up. But they will not have the power to lord over all of us. Your plans basically are - well if we can't make this happen slowly with our non plans, then it's best that the fascists rule over all of America, than just part of America, because even if a divorce happens, there will still be GQP fascists in the new blue America. Huh.