Justice department launches new investigations of GWB era torture policy.

[Lemon law]

Even though this may be the wrong link, it looks like the Justice department will launch new investigations into GWB era illegal torture activities given new evidence.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_...xrA2NpYXJlcG9ydGluaA--

And maybe, at long last, a start of active prosecutions of former officials.

I know we have had this thread before, but it looks more and more like justice department prosecution of former GWB officials will end up being the only alternative. What was unthinkable two years ago, looks more than 50% probable now, and as more is learned, that probability can only go up towards 100%. Who will be the first mid-level rat to implicate the rest?

 

[OCGuy]

Nobody was going to go down for waterboarding, but now Bush may go to jail because someone was verbally harassing prisoners?

Hmm....

 

[JSt0rm]

and the fbi is taking over future interrogations

 

[BoberFett]

Good, it's about time. Let's get it all out in the open. If they do find something substantive, throw the book at everyone involved. If not, then the BDS crew can shut the hell up. Everyone wins.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Nobody was going to go down for waterboarding, but now Bush may go to jail because someone was verbally harassing prisoners?
Hmm....

Repeatedly compressing a prisoner's carotid artery until he loses consciousness is a little more than "verbally harassing" them; the article (if you ever bother to read it) states that some interrogators used techniques that were patently unlawful.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good, it's about time. Let's get it all out in the open. If they do find something substantive, throw the book at everyone involved. If not, then the BDS crew can shut the hell up. Everyone wins.

Yep, and it quiets the lib base who were all up in arms about BHO maybe dropping socialist care.

 

[BarrySotero]

This just reinforces that Obama and Holder never meant a terrorist they didn't like better than the US. They let off a USS Cole bomber, dropped charges against Black Panthers threatening people with clubs at voting sites, told FBI to lay off black Muslim converts to Islam, worked to get pardon for Puerto Rican terrorists (Holder) - and now they want to freeze the CIA . Things like this underscore that even though both parties are broken the Dems are not even American anymore and would even sell out basic security functions. Soros, MoveOn etc run that show. So they Obama travels the globe putting country down, looking out for wannbe dictators, letting terrorists off - all while Dems are saying care protesters are taking orders from "militias". These people are a disgrace by by any realistic measure.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
This just reinforces that Obama and Holder never meant a terrorist they didn't like better than the US. They let off a USS Cole bomber, dropped charges against Black Panthers threatening people with clubs at voting sites, told FBI to lay off black Muslim converts to Islam, worked to get pardon for Puerto Rican terrorists (Holder) - and now they want to freeze the CIA . Things like this underscore that even though both parties are broken the Dems are not even American anymore and would even sell out basic security functions. Soros, MoveOn etc run that show. So they Obama travels the globe putting country down, looking out for wannbe dictators, letting terrorists off - all while Dems are saying care protesters are taking orders from "militias". These people are a disgrace by by any realistic measure.

cool story bro

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
This just reinforces that Obama and Holder never meant a terrorist they didn't like better than the US. They let off a USS Cole bomber, dropped charges against Black Panthers threatening people with clubs at voting sites, told FBI to lay off black Muslim converts to Islam, worked to get pardon for Puerto Rican terrorists (Holder) - and now they want to freeze the CIA . Things like this underscore that even though both parties are broken the Dems are not even American anymore and would even sell out basic security functions. Soros, MoveOn etc run that show. So they Obama travels the globe putting country down, looking out for wannbe dictators, letting terrorists off - all while Dems are saying care protesters are taking orders from "militias". These people are a disgrace by by any realistic measure.

Damn those unholy Democrats, blatantly enforcing the law...

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
This just reinforces that Obama and Holder never meant a terrorist they didn't like better than the US. They let off a USS Cole bomber, dropped charges against Black Panthers threatening people with clubs at voting sites, told FBI to lay off black Muslim converts to Islam, worked to get pardon for Puerto Rican terrorists (Holder) - and now they want to freeze the CIA . Things like this underscore that even though both parties are broken the Dems are not even American anymore and would even sell out basic security functions. Soros, MoveOn etc run that show. So they Obama travels the globe putting country down, looking out for wannbe dictators, letting terrorists off - all while Dems are saying care protesters are taking orders from "militias". These people are a disgrace by by any realistic measure.

the power of America is the ability to change for the better. Treating these people like humans is an American value.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good, it's about time. Let's get it all out in the open. If they do find something substantive, throw the book at everyone involved. If not, then the BDS crew can shut the hell up. Everyone wins.

Exactly. I am anxious to get to the bottom of this and see what exactly happened, without all the spin from both sides we've seen up to this point.

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
This just reinforces that Obama and Holder never meant a terrorist they didn't like better than the US. They let off a USS Cole bomber, dropped charges against Black Panthers threatening people with clubs at voting sites, told FBI to lay off black Muslim converts to Islam, worked to get pardon for Puerto Rican terrorists (Holder) - and now they want to freeze the CIA . Things like this underscore that even though both parties are broken the Dems are not even American anymore and would even sell out basic security functions. Soros, MoveOn etc run that show. So they Obama travels the globe putting country down, looking out for wannbe dictators, letting terrorists off - all while Dems are saying care protesters are taking orders from "militias". These people are a disgrace by by any realistic measure.

Damn those unholy Democrats, blatantly enforcing the law...

No - blatantly ignoring the law

Holder's Black Panther Stonewall

http://online.wsj.com/article/...74361071968458430.html

FBI Told To Back-off Muslim Converts

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly...0603_lone_wolf_lessons


"Eric Holder pushed for controversial clemency"

As deputy attorney general in 1999, Holder -- now attorney general nominee -- pressed subordinates to drop objections to clemency for 16 members of violent Puerto Rican nationalist organizations.

http://articles.latimes.com/20...n/09/nation/na-holder9

Obama and Holder LIKE the bad guys.

 

[Druidx]

This will be great, Harvey will get all worked up only to crash when nothing comes out of it.
From the article, this concerns things they were not authorized to do. Since they were NOT authorized, I'll be very interested to see how some people struggle to draw a direct connection to GWB.
Panetta threaten to quit when this investigation started, I wonder what he will do now? Interesting this came out the same day Obama's administration announced a new team of interrogators.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
This just reinforces that Obama and Holder never meant a terrorist they didn't like better than the US. They let off a USS Cole bomber, dropped charges against Black Panthers threatening people with clubs at voting sites, told FBI to lay off black Muslim converts to Islam, worked to get pardon for Puerto Rican terrorists (Holder) - and now they want to freeze the CIA . Things like this underscore that even though both parties are broken the Dems are not even American anymore and would even sell out basic security functions. Soros, MoveOn etc run that show. So they Obama travels the globe putting country down, looking out for wannbe dictators, letting terrorists off - all while Dems are saying care protesters are taking orders from "militias". These people are a disgrace by by any realistic measure.

Damn those unholy Democrats, blatantly enforcing the law...

No - blatantly ignoring the law

Holder's Black Panther Stonewall

http://online.wsj.com/article/...74361071968458430.html

FBI Told To Back-off Muslim Converts

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly...0603_lone_wolf_lessons


"Eric Holder pushed for controversial clemency"

As deputy attorney general in 1999, Holder -- now attorney general nominee -- pressed subordinates to drop objections to clemency for 16 members of violent Puerto Rican nationalist organizations.

http://articles.latimes.com/20...n/09/nation/na-holder9

Obama and Holder LIKE the bad guys.

Can you please refrain from derailing this thread?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: Druidx
This will be great, Harvey will get all worked up only to crash when nothing comes out of it.

Yeah, I'm sure new macros are being worked on as we type .

From the article, this concerns things they were not authorized to do. Since they were NOT authorized, I'll be very interested to see how some people struggle to draw a direct connection to GWB.
Panetta threaten to quit when this investigation started, I wonder what he will do now? Interesting this came out the same day Obama's administration announced a new team of interrogators.

I want to see what comes out of the investigation. I think the whole episode has been so distorted with spin from both sides, that maybe the truth will finally come out.

 

[Druidx]

I agree, from the initial report it definitely sounds like some heads should roll. I just know some people will cry about the "Crimminal Cabal" regardless of what facts come out. Just look at how overplayed the waterboarding story was.
While this newly formed "High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group" is a great PR move. I can see risk for both sides of the issue. Now that Obama will have direct oversight, it will be a PR nightmare if there is even a hint of mistreatment. On the other side of the coin, it would be even worse if anything happens which could have been prevented if the interrogators didn't have to treat suspects with kid gloves.

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
This just reinforces that Obama and Holder never meant a terrorist they didn't like better than the US. They let off a USS Cole bomber, dropped charges against Black Panthers threatening people with clubs at voting sites, told FBI to lay off black Muslim converts to Islam, worked to get pardon for Puerto Rican terrorists (Holder) - and now they want to freeze the CIA . Things like this underscore that even though both parties are broken the Dems are not even American anymore and would even sell out basic security functions. Soros, MoveOn etc run that show. So they Obama travels the globe putting country down, looking out for wannbe dictators, letting terrorists off - all while Dems are saying care protesters are taking orders from "militias". These people are a disgrace by by any realistic measure.

Damn those unholy Democrats, blatantly enforcing the law...

No - blatantly ignoring the law

Holder's Black Panther Stonewall

http://online.wsj.com/article/...74361071968458430.html

FBI Told To Back-off Muslim Converts

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly...0603_lone_wolf_lessons


"Eric Holder pushed for controversial clemency"

As deputy attorney general in 1999, Holder -- now attorney general nominee -- pressed subordinates to drop objections to clemency for 16 members of violent Puerto Rican nationalist organizations.

http://articles.latimes.com/20...n/09/nation/na-holder9

Obama and Holder LIKE the bad guys.

Can you please refrain from derailing this thread?

Everything posted is entirely relevant. Obama and Holder are always letting terrorists off while rendering CIA a cripple - worse than before 9-11. I have YouTubes of Holder saying enhanced interrogation was not torture and that detainees were not covered by Geneva. Now Obama enters and both these guys can hardly contain their anti - US prejudices.


I forgot one link"

"Families of Cole Victims Worry White House Meeting Is Window Dressing"

President Obama is meeting with the families of victims from the Sept. 11 attacks and the USS Cole bombing, after a military judge on Thursday dropped charges against a suspect in the 2000 Cole bombing.


"http://www.foxnews.com/politic...eting-window-dressing/

left and right the bad guys are getting off - or even helped (see Honduras)

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good, it's about time. Let's get it all out in the open. If they do find something substantive, throw the book at everyone involved. If not, then the BDS crew can shut the hell up. Everyone wins.

Exactly. I am anxious to get to the bottom of this and see what exactly happened, without all the spin from both sides we've seen up to this point.

But come on, you know as wel as I do that even if everyone is cleared of all wrong doing, all it's going to be is "government cover-up", "corruption", etc, and the BDS will flow like never before.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good, it's about time. Let's get it all out in the open. If they do find something substantive, throw the book at everyone involved. If not, then the BDS crew can shut the hell up. Everyone wins.

Exactly. I am anxious to get to the bottom of this and see what exactly happened, without all the spin from both sides we've seen up to this point.

But come on, you know as wel as I do that even if everyone is cleared of all wrong doing, all it's going to be is "government cover-up", "corruption", etc, and the BDS will flow like never before.

Are we still stuck on BDS

just give the turntable a nudge, the needle will skip a bit and move past the scratch

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good, it's about time. Let's get it all out in the open. If they do find something substantive, throw the book at everyone involved. If not, then the BDS crew can shut the hell up. Everyone wins.

Exactly. I am anxious to get to the bottom of this and see what exactly happened, without all the spin from both sides we've seen up to this point.

But come on, you know as wel as I do that even if everyone is cleared of all wrong doing, all it's going to be is "government cover-up", "corruption", etc, and the BDS will flow like never before.

Are we still stuck on BDS

just give the turntable a nudge, the needle will skip a bit and move past the scratch

The last election changed the record, but apparently it is a highly sampled beat.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good, it's about time. Let's get it all out in the open. If they do find something substantive, throw the book at everyone involved. If not, then the BDS crew can shut the hell up. Everyone wins.

Exactly. I am anxious to get to the bottom of this and see what exactly happened, without all the spin from both sides we've seen up to this point.

But come on, you know as wel as I do that even if everyone is cleared of all wrong doing, all it's going to be is "government cover-up", "corruption", etc, and the BDS will flow like never before.

Sure, that is probably true, but I want to know for myself. Wingnuts will be always be wingnuts and have all sorts of conspiracy theories regardless of what happens. And regardless, if nothing is done, the Democrats are the ones currently in charge so it would be difficult to claim that it is a "cover up."

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: Druidx
This will be great, Harvey will get all worked up only to crash when nothing comes out of it.
From the article, this concerns things they were not authorized to do. Since they were NOT authorized, I'll be very interested to see how some people struggle to draw a direct connection to GWB.
Panetta threaten to quit when this investigation started, I wonder what he will do now? Interesting this came out the same day Obama's administration announced a new team of interrogators.

The "not authorized" part is no doubt a curve being thrown to try to keep Pelosi clean since she knew about enhanced interrogations

People should go to YouTube and watch Navy Seal training where guys are thrown into pools with their hands tied behind their backs (and they are are water boarded too). This admin is almost wall to wall anti-US maniacs

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: Druidx
This will be great, Harvey will get all worked up only to crash when nothing comes out of it.
From the article, this concerns things they were not authorized to do. Since they were NOT authorized, I'll be very interested to see how some people struggle to draw a direct connection to GWB.
Panetta threaten to quit when this investigation started, I wonder what he will do now? Interesting this came out the same day Obama's administration announced a new team of interrogators.

The "not authorized" part is no doubt a curve being thrown to try to keep Pelosi clean since she knew about enhanced interrogations...

I had no idea Speaker Pelosi conducted interrogations! You are such a brilliant source of new information the SaneStream Media won't touch...

 

[Druidx]

I'm already starting to care a lot less about this story. It turns out most of the newest complains concern interrogations of
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - Mr 9/11 himself
Abd al-Nashiri - Who planned the attack on the USS Cole.
Call me a worthless person or a Bushwhacko sycophant but I don't really give a shit what happens to either one of those people.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good, it's about time. Let's get it all out in the open. If they do find something substantive, throw the book at everyone involved. If not, then the BDS crew can shut the hell up. Everyone wins.

Exactly. I am anxious to get to the bottom of this and see what exactly happened, without all the spin from both sides we've seen up to this point.

Me too.