JUST WHAT IS AN ELECTION?

[Ulfwald]

"The government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can't get and to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is sort of an advance auction sale of stolen goods." [H. L. Mencken]




THERE?S SOMEONE STANDING OUTSIDE YOUR DOOR ??

? and they have a gun. They can come into your house without your permission. They can take your property, your family, your freedom and even your life ?.. and they can do it all legally. Can you defend yourself? Really, there's only one way. You see, YOU decide who will be standing outside your door with that gun. You make that decision TODAY

 

[Tominator]

That's deep!...But sadly accurate...

 

[Chef0083]

<< YOU decide who will be standing outside your door with that gun. You make that decision TODAY >>



Excellent point. The thing is you also get to kick out the guys who didn't keep those promises they so EASILY Spoke the last time they were running.

 

[Ulfwald]

More thoughts to Ponder

Historian Alexander Tyler wrote over a hundred years ago about the fall of the Athenian Republic. What he wrote then applies to our country today. Read the quote. This is us. This is America today. This is what will be happening tomorrow when our wonderful voters go to the polls:

&quot;A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

Read it again. Read it a few times. Cut and paste --- send it to friends. You see the frightening truth there, and you see the future of our country.

 

[Ulfwald]

Dang, with the election going on today, I would have thought that there would be a little more response to this thread.

 

[StageLeft]

Ulfwald

That quote is worrying and theoretically has something to be said for it...Bush cuts taxes if he is in - now next election who will win? Whoever cuts more and more, it will be virtually impossible for anybody to get voted in with the promise to _raise_ taxes. Why? Lets be honest, most people are idiots and don't understand that taxes are a good thing (to an extent).

I gaurantee that if you took an across-country poll an alarming number of people would vote to have all taxes removed. This is because they don't understand what taxes do - they think they are evil and useless.

 

[Ulfwald]

I am not saying to eliminate all taxes, or eliminate all government spending. We just need to eliminate the waste, and all that goes on with it. Al Gore's &quot;Share the Wealth&quot; ideas are suck. What entitles some welfare brood mare to my paycheck? What did she do to earn it? She got knocked up by some irresponsible arsehole who left her at the first mention of baby.

Fact is, Americans are experiencing the highest tax burden in peace time history. If you believe that SSI will be there when you retire, you are nuts, welfare is nothing more than forced child support for kids I did not have the pleasure of making, food stamps, forced charity (shouldn't I get to choose who I help)

We either need a flat tax straight across the board, or a National retail sales tax.

What is your response to that.

 

[Ulfwald]

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[Ulfwald]

Ok folks, this is one of the most important days in America, and it seems that no one is really concerned about WTF is going to happen.

 

[BoberFett]

Surprised ulfwald? You shouldn't be. Why do you think the country is going the way it is?

 

[Ulfwald]

Up to the top, This is important folks, be aware of what is going on

 

[DirkBelig]

Ya know, these are EXCELLENT POINTS, but where the hell were you when I was getting gang tackled by Red Dawn, I'm Typing and others?!?!? Huh?!? WHERE?!?

For you to show up on Election Day when 99.44% of the peeps have made up their minds is too little, too late. When I was trying to explain how Gore's socialist pandering would horrible weaken the country and had to deal with multiple &quot;Bah! GOP is for the rich. F*ck 'em!&quot; attacks and could have used some assistance...

WHERE THE F*CK WERE YOU?!?!?!?!?

Wanna know why nobody's nibbling now?

It's too late.

Thanks for the help.

 

[BoberFett]

Dirk you sorry sh!t, you deserve double what Red heaps on you.

 

[JellyBaby]

Our representative republic is the longest-lasting in history. We had a good to great first 150 years by sticking to the constitution. Only in the past 50 have things changed. Even though I consider myself a moderate-libertarian, I recognize that in some select cases a larger, more powerful government has helped all citizens. But overall, excessive greed, poor decision making and pandering have done significant damage.

But...what was taken from us can be won back. It may take time and surely a lot of effort but the goal is just and the journey might well be as rewarding as the end. Pessimism serves no purpose folks!

 

[wyvrn]

Lets be honest, most people are idiots

Easy to hurl insults when internet protects you. Now would you say that to a room full of people at a town meeting? Sheesh, some people are a bit egotistical.

 

[DirkBelig]

Not complaining about kicking your pinko asses at all. Just smacking down ulfwald for his tweeny whines taht no one cares when he was MIA when it mattered. I bet he'll be complaining tomorrow if it goes badly and I'll kick him in the jimmy gladly for showing up a day late and a dollar short.

 

[Train]

no i believe that the mojority of people who actually go to vote have a pretty good idea what tax dollars do. They see public schools, they see public libraries, they see the best trained Armed Froces in the world, they see pot holes getting fixed, they see highways being built, they see research being done, they see laws being enforced, they see thier garbage being picked up, they see thier mail being delivered.

But this does not mean big government is the answer, The free Market capitalism offers us is what built this country into the World Power it is today. &quot;Share the Wealth&quot; is nothing but the first step to communism, and look where that got the USSR, nowhere.

This nation is TOO LARGE to have socialist programs, they will all become money pits for us to complain about, they wont help anyone. If you want government programs, vote for them at a local level, city and county, maybe some state, where they can actually do some good. but please, not national, there you are just asking for trouble.

 

[BoberFett]

Train

You see things rationally, something the big parties fear. They rely on emotion to gather votes.

 

[Pretender]

ulfwald: I agree with your points, and unfortunately, today's society (IMHO it's society) doesn't allow people to see or think about things logically, but they'll eat up anything a politician sells them. Hence lower taxes mean everything, and everything else is nothing because it doesn't effect them. Maybe the average person feels as if they don't need to take an active part in government or think through what the long-term effects of one president's actions will be. In democracy, politicians will lie, cheat, and steal to be elected, yet people don't seem to care. Is it right? No, of cource not. Can we do anything about it? No, probably not, IMHO, the majority of the people are either too lazy or too blind to see it. Yes, they'll bitch and moan when the politician doesn't do what he/she said they would, but of cource nothing will change. I'm concerned, but I really can't do much. Can't vote yet, can't run.

BTW, I was in school and didn't see your thread at the time, or I would've responded sooner. I tend to stay out of political threads because a) I don't always keep up with all the facts, and b) I'm still a teenager so according to the government my opinion doesn't mean sh!t.

 

[wviperw]

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[Ulfwald]

Dirk, I have always been on this forum supporting the Libertarian party, you just miss the posts. I have been involved in many debates on here where the subjects range from taxes to gun control, to abortion. So don't come in here saying I am whinning. If you can't go toe to e with Red Dawn, don't get into it with him. I know when to hold, and I know when to concede.

 

[Ulfwald]

This one is close folks, Let's see what happens.