Just went shooting....

[Sixguns]

And now I want to buy a pistol. I have always wanted a Glock for some reason and I am wanting a G23. I dont want a full size or subcompact. What are your favorites and what about your suggestions?

 

[Raduque]

Your name is sixguns and you don't already own a gun, much less a wheel gun?

 

[schneiderguy]

9mm > .40

Get a Glock 19 if you want a Glock.

I prefer the S&W M&P series. Either of those are a good choice. Just don't get a Springfield XD, no matter what anyone tells you.

 

[Tweak155]

This is what happened to me. I went to a gun range and bought 2 pistols within about 6 months.

Got a Glock 19 and a Taurus p92 (for the wife).

 

[schneiderguy]

Also you should get a Mosin Nagant so you can protect the Motherland from the evil fascists.

 

[Spike]

9mm > .40

Get a Glock 19 if you want a Glock.

I prefer the S&W M&P series. Either of those are a good choice. Just don't get a Springfield XD, no matter what anyone tells you.

Funny, I've heard the exact opposite from many local cops and even the guys at the range. Avoid the M&P at all costs and get an XD, guess it all depends on your point of view.

For the OP glocks are good and there are many available accessories for them. I would go for something in .40 caliber if your ever interested in carrying it for defense. If not then get a 9mm if you just want to go plinking (ammo for 9mm is dirt cheap). The size is up to you, I like a compact so I can carry it but many people prefer full size for the grip. I'm personally thinking about going with an XDm 9mm myself in the near future. I'm also picking up a Glock 27 very soon from my father in law.

 

[gorcorps]

Funny, I've heard the exact opposite from many local cops and even the guys at the range. Avoid the M&P at all costs and get an XD, guess it all depends on your point of view.

For the OP glocks are good and there are many available accessories for them. I would go for something in .40 caliber if your ever interested in carrying it for defense. If not then get a 9mm if you just want to go plinking (ammo for 9mm is dirt cheap). The size is up to you, I like a compact so I can carry it but many people prefer full size for the grip. I'm personally thinking about going with an XDm 9mm myself in the near future. I'm also picking up a Glock 27 very soon from my father in law.

All guns are subjective. I would pick my XDm 9mm over my buddies M&P any day of the week. I don't know why schneiderguy hates the XDm so much but this isn't the only thread he's posted it. Sounds personal... methinks his judgement is a bit skewed.

Anyway OP I haven't found a Glock that fits my hand right, but if it works for you that's great. I would go to a range that has other guns to rent though, and try some more out before you decide.

 

[schneiderguy]

Funny, I've heard the exact opposite from many local cops and even the guys at the range. Avoid the M&P at all costs and get an XD, guess it all depends on your point of view.

For the OP glocks are good and there are many available accessories for them. I would go for something in .40 caliber if your ever interested in carrying it for defense. If not then get a 9mm if you just want to go plinking (ammo for 9mm is dirt cheap). The size is up to you, I like a compact so I can carry it but many people prefer full size for the grip. I'm personally thinking about going with an XDm 9mm myself in the near future. I'm also picking up a Glock 27 very soon from my father in law.

9mm > .40 for a defensive pistol Pistol rounds in any caliber generally have pretty poor terminal effects compared to rifle rounds, and the difference between them is marginal at best. So the 9mm wins out with higher capacity and less muzzle flip/recoil.

XDs aren't reliable enough to pass law enforcement agency tests (almost every LE agency in the US uses the M&P or Glock).

 

[gorcorps]

9mm > .40 for a defensive pistol Pistol rounds in any caliber generally have pretty poor terminal effects compared to rifle rounds, and the difference between them is marginal at best. So the 9mm wins out with higher capacity and less muzzle flip/recoil.

XDs aren't reliable enough to pass law enforcement agency tests (almost every LE agency in the US uses the M&P or Glock).

3 city cops I know (from Colorado) carry an XD 40. Where are you getting your information?

 

[schneiderguy]

All guns are subjective. I would pick my XDm 9mm over my buddies M&P any day of the week. I don't know why schneiderguy hates the XDm so much but this isn't the only thread he's posted it. Sounds personal... methinks his judgement is a bit skewed.

Anyway OP I haven't found a Glock that fits my hand right, but if it works for you that's great. I would go to a range that has other guns to rent though, and try some more out before you decide.

I dislike Springfield Armory's marketing tactics which are misleading at best. They've got "The first name in American firearms" plastered everywhere which is interesting because they don't sell a single firearm that is made in the US.

Contrast that with S&W that makes everything down to the screws and cutting tools they use to produce the guns in the US. And on top of that they sell the more reliable and ergonomic M&P for the same price as the XD and for less money than the XDM which are both made using cheap third world labor.

 

[schneiderguy]

3 city cops I know (from Colorado) carry an XD 40. Where are you getting your information?

XD's are a no go for serious use--the inability to retract the slide without engaging the grip safety makes one-hand injured operation very difficult with the XD--this is a deal breaker for me. In addition, in some government tests, XD's (particularly the .40's) have broken a lot of parts compared to other pistols being tested

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

 

[Spike]

9mm > .40 for a defensive pistol Pistol rounds in any caliber generally have pretty poor terminal effects compared to rifle rounds, and the difference between them is marginal at best. So the 9mm wins out with higher capacity and less muzzle flip/recoil.

XDs aren't reliable enough to pass law enforcement agency tests (almost every LE agency in the US uses the M&P or Glock).

I won't argue on the defensive round effectiveness since that gets the run around all the time and there never seems to be a real conclusion. And your right that in the end the difference between handgun rounds is relatively small, at least for the most common calibers.

I don't really care where it's made (I know, I'm a bad American) as long as it's reliable, accurate, and comfortable (in that order). For me, and a good portion of those I know that shoot in the area, the XD fits the bill. I'm no gun expert and I certainly don't put my weapons through the rigors that some do but what little experience I have, and the experiences I've been told about from those "in the know", puts the XD line near the top of my want list.

All that being said I have and will still consider other makers. I have noting personally against the M&P apart from the fact I just don't find it comfortable to shoot at all, at least in 9mm. I've been told by many to avoid them but I have not really dived into their reasoning because they never passed the comfort test for me anyway.

EDIT* Just for reference, Croatia is not a third world country

 

[gorcorps]

I dislike Springfield Armory's marketing tactics which are misleading at best. They've got "The first name in American firearms" plastered everywhere which is interesting because they don't sell a single firearm that is made in the US.

Contrast that with S&W that makes everything down to the screws and cutting tools they use to produce the guns in the US. And on top of that they sell the more reliable and ergonomic M&P for the same price as the XD and for less money than the XDM which are both made using cheap third world labor.

I would agree with you if I had proof the XDm was unreliable. I've had mine for just over a year, so not too long but long enough to know I really like everything about it. I don't care two shits about made in the USA vs. foreign. I've seen some terrible USA products and great foreign products. Other countries are capable of making weapons... very popular ones at that.

I hated the trigger on the M&P. The bottom half being split from the top half was NOT comfortable to me, and IMO made it feel sloppy and a bit cheap. I was nailing targets with my XDm but couldn't hit shit with the M&P. Again, everybody is different and that's why so many gun companies make so many guns. My point is that it sounds like your opinion of the company is giving you a shitty view of the product when really the product is fine. If your XD fell apart or something then that's one thing, but if you're going off of 3rd party stories and internet hearsay then you don't really know. My 1st hand experience is excellent. If you take care of your weapons they will be reliable. If you don't they won't be, regardless of who makes it.

 

[schneiderguy]

EDIT* Just for reference, Croatia is not a third world country

Every country besides 'Murika is a third world country

 

[Darwin333]

And now I want to buy a pistol. I have always wanted a Glock for some reason and I am wanting a G23. I dont want a full size or subcompact. What are your favorites and what about your suggestions?

Looking for a plinker/something to keep in the house or an everyday carry weapon?

 

[Spike]

Every country besides 'Murika is a third world country

Lol, if only that were true...

I read more of that link you posted and dang, talk about some serious folks. I found this statement funny:

"Whatever you choose, make sure you fire at least 500 and preferably 1000 failure free shots through your pistol prior to carrying it. If your pistol cannot fire at least 1000 consecutive shots without a malfunction, something is wrong and it is not suitable for duty/self-defense use."

I mean, really? I would NEVER trust my LCP to fire 1000 consecutive rounds without a malfunction and I KNOW it makes a great carry defensive weapon, at least as far as a .380 can. Why? Because it will fire the 7 rounds I have in it without a flaw and with decent accuracy at <10 yards. Why the heck would I need a gun that can shoot 1000 rounds in a row without a hitch? Are they worried that after the zombies come we won't have access to a cleaning kit between waves?

 

[schneiderguy]

My point is that it sounds like your opinion of the company is giving you a shitty view of the product when really the product is fine. If your XD fell apart or something then that's one thing, but if you're going off of 3rd party stories and internet hearsay then you don't really know. My 1st hand experience is excellent. If you take care of your weapons they will be reliable. If you don't they won't be, regardless of who makes it.

The opinion of one of the foremost experts in the field is not "internet hearsay".

I would rather rely on the testing that "experts" do than forum reports from people who shoot 500 rounds through their gun every year.

I'm not saying the XD is a bad gun, the ones that I've shot have never jammed on me. But the M&P is an objectively better gun than the XD. Issues with the trigger, etc are training issues that could be fixed by just shooting it more or changing your grip.

 

[schneiderguy]

Lol, if only that were true...

I read more of that link you posted and dang, talk about some serious folks. I found this statement funny:

"Whatever you choose, make sure you fire at least 500 and preferably 1000 failure free shots through your pistol prior to carrying it. If your pistol cannot fire at least 1000 consecutive shots without a malfunction, something is wrong and it is not suitable for duty/self-defense use."

I mean, really? I would NEVER trust my LCP to fire 1000 consecutive rounds without a malfunction and I KNOW it makes a great carry defensive weapon, at least as far as a .380 can. Why? Because it will fire the 7 rounds I have in it without a flaw and with decent accuracy at <10 yards. Why the heck would I need a gun that can shoot 1000 rounds in a row without a hitch? Are they worried that after the zombies come we won't have access to a cleaning kit between waves?

That statement applies to full size "duty" guns, they would consider a LCP to be a backup gun. Their perspective is from the law enforcement/military side of things rather than civilian usage.

edit: Also apologies to the OP for derailing his thread :awe:

 

[Spike]

That statement applies to full size "duty" guns, they would consider a LCP to be a backup gun. Their perspective is from the law enforcement/military side of things rather than civilian usage.

edit: Also apologies to the OP for derailing his thread :awe:

Yeah, sorry about the derail, my bad.

 

[janas19]

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

Hey guys. I don't own a firearm, but I was reading along and thought I would jump in lol .

Schneiderguy, doesn't your link contradict your statement that 9mm rounds are better than. 45? Clearly, the tissue damage of the .45 is greater than the 9mm, even I can see that.

... carry on good ppl

 

[gorcorps]

The opinion of one of the foremost experts in the field is not "internet hearsay".

I would rather rely on the testing that "experts" do than forum reports from people who shoot 500 rounds through their gun every year.

I'm not saying the XD is a bad gun, the ones that I've shot have never jammed on me. But the M&P is an objectively better gun than the XD. Issues with the trigger, etc are training issues that could be fixed by just shooting it more or changing your grip.

I would rely on testing too. I don't know who that guy is you quoted or what tests he's referring to, but I looked for a link to the test results and didn't find it. Just a quote about some tests. Expert or not, non referenced sources can be nothing more than hearsay.

I'm not saying that the XD IS more reliable than they claim. I'm just saying I like it a lot better than the M&P. Maybe they got their shit together on the XDm (vs the XD), even though it's not much more than a match barrel in the difference. Maybe mine will fall apart tomorrow, who knows. All I can say is from my first hand personal experience, the XDm is a great weapon with an excellent trigger.

 

[schneiderguy]

Hey guys. I don't own a firearm, but I was reading along and thought I would jump in lol .

Schneiderguy, doesn't your link contradict your statement that 9mm rounds are better than. 45? Clearly, the tissue damage of the .45 is greater than the 9mm, even I can see that.

... carry on good ppl

NONE of the common service pistol calibers generate temporary cavities of sufficient magnitude to cause significant tissue damage.

So the only difference is the size of the bullet. Obviously .45 will make a bigger hole than 9mm, but it's not a huge difference (.45" vs ~.357" if we assume neither expands)

 

[janas19]

Not a HUGE difference, but it looks like about a good 1/2" from where I stand. If I was interested in purchasing a gun, that would be enough to sway me.

Just sayin...

 

[Merad]

Not a HUGE difference, but it looks like about a good 1/2" from where I stand. If I was interested in purchasing a gun, that would be enough to sway me.

Just sayin...

The bottom line is that handguns are not very good at killing people. The advantages of 9mm (much larger ammo capacity, faster follow up shots) outweigh the slight increase in damage done by the .45.

Not to mention that .45 ammo costs like 50-75% more than 9mm.

 

[BladeVenom]

I have a Glock 23. I got it a long time ago. If I had to do it over, I would have gotten a 10mm. Either a Glock 20 or 29. You can easily convert the 10mm to fire either the .40 or the .357 Sig with a simple barrel change. That way you can use either the more powerful 10mm, or the cheaper .40. If you buy a .40 you can't convert it to a 10mm.