Just watched American Beauty, some questions..... **************SPOILER*************

AlphaIVT

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Man o man, i thought it was a family movie and it was suppose to be all goodie goodie, but was I way off. Its a great movie nonetheless, but the ending caught me off guard.




Why did Ricky's father kiss Lester? Wasn't he anti-"beautiful being" in when he thought Ricky gave Lester a BJ?

At the end, it was Carolyn that blew Lester's head off right? or was it Ricky's Father? because he had blood stains on his shirt too, what was he doing?

Later at the end, you hear mutliple gun shots throughout the scenes, who fired those shots and why?




I know this is a lot of questions, but this movie hit me in a way no other movie has, I just want to know the movie better.

 

baoytl

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it was ricky's father that shot him. there was only one shot, the multiple gunshots were just replaying what the other characters were doing... as for why he kiss lester? i think he had homosexual feelings, that's why he despises them so much.
 

jacobnero6918

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The ex-military guy was suppose to be a repressed homosexual. It was a sad attempt by some writer to make a point that anybody who agianst gays must be a repressed one.


No, it was the the ex- military guy because he didn't want anybody to find out that he made that pass at kevin spacey.
 

KameLeon

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uhhh..he was kissing kevin spacey, so he(kevin spacey) would stop doing that to his son...
 

somethingwitty

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first of all, you might want to add "spoiler"...

Second, I don't think that the writer's point was that anyone who is anti-gay is actually gay-i think they were making a general point about people hiding true feelings because of concerns over how they might be viewed by others.

He didnt shoot him becase he didnt want anyone to know-he shot him because of the rejection-just a minor point.
 

AlphaIVT

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thansk, i didn't want to ruin it for anyone ;)

wait, how did you guys come up with the conclustion that Ricky's Father didn't want anyone to know he kissed Lester? There wern't any clues to it either.

Why did Carolyn go to the closet crying? Was she sad or somethign that she saw Lester dead?
 

DannyLove

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agree with them replies, it was a good ass movie, one of my favorites, it makes you think. in fact most good movies make you think, i hate it, after watching a movie, i think for like 2-3 hours on my life.

another good movie:
Good Will Hunting

edit: im a real fool, basic grammer mistakes
 

AlphaIVT

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i was talking about this to my friend on AIM, he also recommended Magnolia, but anyways, lets stay within the American Beauty topic ;)
 

Valhalla1

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great movie..

but heres a question.. Caroline was about to go and shoot Lester too, right? she was repeating over and over "I will not be a victim.." and her gun was in hand..

then she went to hide the gun when he was shot, so she wouldn't be a suspect.
 

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<< wait, how did you guys come up with the conclustion that Ricky's Father didn't want anyone to know he kissed Lester? There wern't any clues to it either. >>



I didnt-I think he shot him over the rejection, probably tied in with the fact that (he thought) his son was gay with lester and lester didnt want him.



<< Why did Carolyn go to the closet crying? Was she sad or somethign that she saw Lester dead? >>



She was crying because she of the recent turn of events-caught cheating, etc. and she'd been repeating the 'I will not be a victim' (something like that) line while holding a gun, perhaps intending to shoot or threaten lester...when she saw he was dead, she cried over what she almost did and threw the gun in the closet.



 

Moz

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Well Carolyn was contemplating doing the deed herself, and in the end couldn't bring herself to do it. So it was a combination of emotions at the end that sees her crying in the closet.
 

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<< wait, how did you guys come up with the conclustion that Ricky's Father didn't want anyone to know he kissed Lester? >>

You noticed in the beginning he's said to have changed after going to the military. The change meant that he became gay. That's why his wife was all messed up then..

But since he was in the military, he knew he couldn't possibly be accepted that way, so he hid it by acting homophobic. And then when thought his son was what he truly didn't want to be, he let his &quot;natural tendencies&quot; take over and kissed him..

But I believe he originally went over to kill Lester first because he thought he turned his son that way.

I guess it's open to interpretation..

<< Was she sad or somethign that she saw Lester dead? >>

inDEED.
 

I liked this movie. A bunch, but Ive only watched it once.
It left me with a weird feeling.
Kinda made me want to go out and spend all my money :D
 

AlphaIVT

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This movie has me all shaking, that or the fact that my window is half way open and its raining ;)

This moview was like a rollercoaster ride, i didn't know what was going to happen next. It was the family type movie in the begginng, then comedy when he was jacking off in bed and carolyn asked him what he was doing (lol :) that was so funny), then it turned to pshychotic horror type when Jane told Ricky to kill Lester, then pure I don't know what when i saw the end.
 

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If you liked this movie I recommend you check out Ang Lee's (of recent Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon fame) &quot;The Ice Storm&quot;, starring Sigourney Weaver, Kevin Kline, Katie Holmes, Tobey Maguire &amp; Christina Ricci.

Oh and do pick up Magnolia, another excellent (better than AB, IMHO) film.
 

Shuxclams

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He killed Lester because of the rejection and the shame of having had a &quot;gay experience&quot;.
Carolyn was going to kill lester as well but broke down after seeing what she was about to do and the reality of what that implied.


This Movie has made my all time top ten even possibly moving A Clockwork Orange out of the top 5. I saw this movie in the theatre, which is rare since I get all the academy movies each year, because I had heard from all my Film Industry buddies that this &quot;was a movie&quot;. I left the theatre that night knowing that it was a Oscar winner, and I couldnt stop thinking about all the possibilities and the fact that you start off not liking Lester and he somehow becomes the hero. Excellent movie IMHO.




SHUX
 

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I never get tired of watching this movie. The cinematography, coupled with the complex script, TERIFFIC performances all around, and &quot;essential truth&quot; to the story, come together to form a very powerful film. Definitely in my top five of all-time.

As everyone else has stated, Lester was killed by Mr. Fitts. Having repressed his homosexual feelings all of his life, the guy has serious psychological problems. When he &quot;discovers&quot; Ricky committing gay sex acts with Lester, his psychosis comes to the surface. He doesn't know what he's doing... did you notice how dazed he was when he walked up to Lester's house? His homosexual urges bubble to the surface for an instant and Lester's rejection of him only confuses him more. Having been a marine, killing is all he knows--it's his solution to problems.

As for Carolyn... she also pretends to be someone she's not (what else is new?). During the minutes before Lester's death she tries her hardest to convince herself that she is strong enough to be able to kill her husband, that she's assertive enough to do something so extreme without regard to consequences or what people will think. &quot;I will not be a victim.&quot; However, as she walks in the door she reverts back to her shell of insecurity and superficiality and throws the gun away, returning to the comfort of the clothes in the closet (things like clothing and expensive sofas and her rose garden are what she hides behind).

The movie is about how our ideas of what beauty is are seriously skewed. By all appearances, the Burnhams are the ideal American family--nice house in suburbia, good jobs, a kid, picket fence, and rose garden. But behind all of that superficiality lies some pretty messed up people. Same with the Fitts family and of course, Miss Angela Hayes. In fact, the most normal people in the whole neighborhood were the gay couple next door.

An interesting factoid is that the movie was originally supposed to be a murder mystery at the end. That's why the scene where Ricky asks Jane if she wants him to kill Lester is shown at the very beginning of the movie--to plant the seed that Ricky is the murderer. But Carolyn is also a suspect, obviously, as is Ricky's dad. The last part of the movie (after Lester's death) is the trial of Ricky and Jane for Lester's murder. In the end it was to be revealed that Col. Fitts framed them as Lester's murderes. Those scenes were filmed but were cut from the final print because Sam Mendes (the director) thought that they detracted from the main point of the movie. While I would have liked to have seen the cut scenes somewhere on the DVD, I agree that the movie is perfect how it is.

I found it to be a very life-affirming movie. I know a lot of people felt like it was a &quot;downer&quot; but Ricky's speech about the plastic bag dancing and Lester's final monologue have so much &quot;truth&quot; to them. I would suggest watching it again... I get more out of it with every viewing. Good movies are like that.

Yes, The Ice Storm and Magnolia are also excellent movies with similar themes. Magnolia will desensitize you to the f-word... hehe... if you thought AB was confusing, you will find Magnolia ten times more so. It also makes more sense the second time around.

l2c

 

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<< If you liked this movie I recommend you check out Ang Lee's (of recent Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon fame) >>



Totally agree with this one. I think my friends and I spent something like 3 hours arguing and analyzing the movie after we all went out to watch it. Great movie indeed.
 

Kayes

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for those who watched Magnolia.
may I know what is with the toad/frog thing?
pm me so not to spoil it for others. thanks.
:)
 

Ultima200

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This was an excellent movie and was thinking about it for a while after i saw it. The funny thing is, I saw it when I was stoned and I completely understood it.
 

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i'm confused about one thing
everyone keeps saying that ricky was performing sex acts on Lester.
I thought Ricky's father misinterpreted what he saw and he wasn't really gay
like the scene where it looks like ricky's doing &quot;something&quot; to Lester from their shadows
 

skywhr

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The multiple shots were, characteer &quot;a&quot; was &quot;here&quot; when the shot happened, charater &quot;b&quot; was &quot;here&quot; when the shot happened, etc...

Ricky's dad was gay and felt rejected, didnt want spaceys character outing him. So he killed him. Spacey's wife didnt kill him...
 

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From what I got out of the movie, the only gay people are the neighbors. Ricky is merely selling his 'good stuff' to Lester. Ricky's father kissed Lester to confirm his fears that Lester was shaggin his son. I guess that his reply wasn't quite what he was lookin for. But the military can do a lot to mess with your perceptions of situations. Kill kill kill. Well, he did. All based on some shadows. I only got to watch it once [dang blockbuster and their return policy!] but hope to see it again. My interpretations may change.