Just tried out Sim City 3000..

TecHNooB

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.. for about 10 minutes. Hate it. Looks all muddy. Is Sim City 4 any better? Or am I stuck with Sim City 2000. What other good Sim games are out there? I've played Roller Coaster Tycoon and that was sort of fun. Any game similar to that? Maybe I should look for Sim Farm..
 

LittleNemoNES

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I don't know man. I have SimCity 4 rush hour but i find it dull as hell.

I'd rather play World in Conflict or Company of Heroes instead...

Just a thought :)
 

Schadenfroh

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The best new(er) "sim city" like game is actually Capitalism 2, the free demo is great (no time limit and it is just as fun as the full game, as a matter of fact, I play the one scenario (not the tutorial) that is included in the demo more than anything else in the full game still).
 

videogames101

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2k was the best, /thread

they all went down hill after that, i don't know how they ruined it, but they did :thumbsup:
 

irishScott

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Wasn't that bad overall IMO. Only annoying thing was that even on "easy" I could never make any type of decent surplus for more than a year or two, and land values never rose above low (or the occasional "medium").

Once, I actually did a little experiment. I zoned 1 square of light residential with an ocean view, crammed a subway station, bus stop, roads and various recreational/extra structures around it, gave it excellent access to everything, planted trees, gave it the best police/fire/schools, etc

The value still did not rise above "medium". WTF.
 

Maximilian

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Originally posted by: TecHNooB
.. for about 10 minutes. Hate it. Looks all muddy. Is Sim City 4 any better? Or am I stuck with Sim City 2000. What other good Sim games are out there? I've played Roller Coaster Tycoon and that was sort of fun. Any game similar to that? Maybe I should look for Sim Farm..

Give it more time, simcity 3000 lacks the character that 2000 had but its decent, theres fun to be had with it. Its the first simcity game where i actually failed and was removed from my position as mayor, little more challenging than 2000 but not much more. I didnt like simcity 4 much, i tried to make a paradise city but it just turned out crap, and noone used the public transport in a way that made any sense, and on top of that it runs like ass on ATI cards, no idea why, no solution to it either, the games just buggy and slow and makes no sense and even 4 years later on new hardware still runs like ass sometimes. I dunno maybe its improved, i havent fired it up in a while but you can tell i wasent taken by it at all.

I think the next good simcity game will be the sequal to city life, i never played city life at all but im keeping an eye on the sequel, could end up being simcity 5, as simcity societies was described as a "gamers abortion" in another thread here lol, so i guess its pretty lousy.
 

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I think SC2000 is the best. I bought 3000 when it came out and was very disappointed and returned it. Never tried 4000. My daughter loves to play SC2000 and I still have it on 2 floppy disks.
 

Jeff7

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IF you get SC4, get the Deluxe version (It's little more than SC4 + Rush Hour, all in one package). The Rush Hour pack adds loads of useful tools, and some other road types.

Also consider getting the Prima guide. It's a few hundred pages of useful information, such as building stats, and how the simulation engine works. The game's got all kinds of fun little tricks, too - for example....possible spoiler, if you want to call it that. Those are farther down.


Yes, SC2K was probably the best. My biggest city was nothing but Launch Arcologies and police stations - one station per arcology.

SC4 - my biggest complaint about it is that it is crash prone. Scrolling around a city, try to check a building's stats, and the game crashes back to the desktop.
Worse yet, it can freeze when it's saving a city, and that can corrupt the file. So, when you load the city, there will be a part of it that wasn't saved properly. When you even try to look at that section of the city, the game crashes back to the desktop.

I don't know if it's just my system that it doesn't like, or why it does that. I don't like to save constantly because, especially on the big 256x256 maps, saving the whole city can take at least 30 seconds.

Electronic Arts owns Maxis, so that's probably why the game line started to suck. :(

Oh, and with the Deluxe Version/Rush Hour pack, there's a Grand Railroad Station. It's supposed to unlock when your R+C population reaches 172,000. It doesn't. It's a known bug that they just never fixed, because, I don't know, they're EA maybe? Two ways to unlock it: use one of the driving missions which unlocks it, or just use the cheat to enable all of the reward structures.

Tip: start small. Don't plop down a coal power plant and high density structures right away.
Start out with a wind turbine, a few low density residential and commercial zones, and agriculture. You also don't need water towers or pumps until you start zoning medium and high density, but you can probably get a few thousand people into your town before you'll start wanting them.
Do that, and it's actually easy to turn a profit quickly. Not a big one, as your budget will be fairly low, but it should be positive. Don't worry about police, schools, or hospitals until you've built up a good tax base.
And right from the start, enable the Smoke Alarm ordinance. It only costs 20/month, but it reduces the chance of having to start a fire department early in the city's life.













Fun tactic to use, but it kind of takes advantage of some quirks in the simulator:
If you build a city/suburb with NO residential buildings, it makes a lot of things easier. There are no citizens to get sick, or complain about pollution, or cause crime, or want education and health services. Result: it can be a filthy city that provides loads of industrial jobs, and since there's no one to complain about environmental issues, you can set up coal power plants (and use neighbor deals to sell the power to adjacent cities), for cheap electricity. To get rid of garbage, use the trash-burning power plant, and set its funding to 0. It'll still burn loads of trash, but won't cost anything.
Landfills - don't bother. If you want to get rid of them, it takes many many decades for the trash to decay away.

Also, if it's a really junky city, with nothing but dirty/manufacturing industrial buildings, with no residences, and coal power plants, try to get the reward structures like the casino, missile launch site, army base, federal prison, and toxic waste dump. The city's already home to low-land-value property, and I-D especially doesn't give a damn about property value. These reward structures will pay your city money just for being there.





 

Epic Fail

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
The best new(er) "sim city" like game is actually Capitalism 2, the free demo is great (no time limit and it is just as fun as the full game, as a matter of fact, I play the one scenario (not the tutorial) that is included in the demo more than anything else in the full game still).

This is very good for a sim game, but the learning curve is steep. How do you beat the demo, I achieved the 400M revenue, is there a message that tell you you win or you just go on forever.
 

Maximilian

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Fun tactic to use, but it kind of takes advantage of some quirks in the simulator:
If you build a city/suburb with NO residential buildings, it makes a lot of things easier. There are no citizens to get sick, or complain about pollution, or cause crime, or want education and health services. Result: it can be a filthy city that provides loads of industrial jobs, and since there's no one to complain about environmental issues, you can set up coal power plants (and use neighbor deals to sell the power to adjacent cities), for cheap electricity. To get rid of garbage, use the trash-burning power plant, and set its funding to 0. It'll still burn loads of trash, but won't cost anything.
Landfills - don't bother. If you want to get rid of them, it takes many many decades for the trash to decay away.

Also, if it's a really junky city, with nothing but dirty/manufacturing industrial buildings, with no residences, and coal power plants, try to get the reward structures like the casino, missile launch site, army base, federal prison, and toxic waste dump. The city's already home to low-land-value property, and I-D especially doesn't give a damn about property value. These reward structures will pay your city money just for being there.

That sounds hella fun im gonna try that. Landfills lining the streets, coal plants everywhere, a nuclear plant in the centre, black water, clouds everywhere, and no complaints!. I like the idea of that kinda city! :D
 

Dacalo

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Originally posted by: yamadakun
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
The best new(er) "sim city" like game is actually Capitalism 2, the free demo is great (no time limit and it is just as fun as the full game, as a matter of fact, I play the one scenario (not the tutorial) that is included in the demo more than anything else in the full game still).

This is very good for a sim game, but the learning curve is steep. How do you beat the demo, I achieved the 400M revenue, is there a message that tell you you win or you just go on forever.

Gosh I love this game. I just wish they would release an updated version with cleaner interface and graphics. I have the full version and got into advance game mechanics and I love it. I am an accountant so I guess it helps me with the game somewhat.

My friends and I tried multiplayer as well. It was really fun, buying each other's shares and them having to buy my product wholesale since mine was so cheap and high in quality.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Soviet
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Fun tactic to use, but it kind of takes advantage of some quirks in the simulator:
If you build a city/suburb with NO residential buildings, it makes a lot of things easier. There are no citizens to get sick, or complain about pollution, or cause crime, or want education and health services. Result: it can be a filthy city that provides loads of industrial jobs, and since there's no one to complain about environmental issues, you can set up coal power plants (and use neighbor deals to sell the power to adjacent cities), for cheap electricity. To get rid of garbage, use the trash-burning power plant, and set its funding to 0. It'll still burn loads of trash, but won't cost anything.
Landfills - don't bother. If you want to get rid of them, it takes many many decades for the trash to decay away.

Also, if it's a really junky city, with nothing but dirty/manufacturing industrial buildings, with no residences, and coal power plants, try to get the reward structures like the casino, missile launch site, army base, federal prison, and toxic waste dump. The city's already home to low-land-value property, and I-D especially doesn't give a damn about property value. These reward structures will pay your city money just for being there.

That sounds hella fun im gonna try that. Landfills lining the streets, coal plants everywhere, a nuclear plant in the centre, black water, clouds everywhere, and no complaints!. I like the idea of that kinda city! :D
Well, if there's a meltdown, NOTHING will build in the irradiated area. Neat thing about having the toxic waste dump though, it pays 400 or 450 per month, and the radiation zone is small enough that you can surround it with the other reward buildings, or power plants. Landfills though, only put them down where you don't want to do any other renovations for a LONG time, cause they can't just be bulldozed or burned away.

Still, it is nifty.

Oh, and if you do this, be sure to get water piped in from a neighboring city. Your entire city's water supply is going to have the consistency of tar once it's all developed with dirty industry and coal power plants. Water pumps will shut down, and treatment plants just waste valuable money and space.

My "nice" cities consist of blocks 6x6 wide. Each uses two one-way streets on all sides. I have them configured exactly like avenues, but according to the strategy guide, the capacity of using two one-way streets like this is twice that of avenues, assuming I read it correctly, and they typed it correctly, and either way, one-way streets in this configuration are considerably cheaper than avenues.

Here, some of my lovely cities.
One of my earlier "dirty" cities. It lacks the consistent grid structure my cities usually have. It also lacks the subway system I like to use.

A wide shot of one of my more refined cities.
Each street corner has a subway station, and the arrangement uses 2x2 blocks of 6x6 squares each. The 2x2 squares alternate between residential and commercial. Then along the highways I have high-tech industrial. All other industrial types are set to 20% tax, so they never develop here.
The traffic doesn't always intelligently take the highway, and will occasionally pile up on the avenues and 1-way streets. Don't know why, other than to say it's a bug in the simulator.
Rush Hour introduced a new method of getting people to their jobs, as well as a new way of employing people. More realistically, RH made people try to keep their jobs over the long term, rather than just changing sporadically.

Finally, a closeup of a slice of a city. I don't know how the simulator decides how to place buildings - I zone commercial, and a huge 6,000-employee office building goes up next to a flea market.

Do the police driving missions early, or use the reward unlock cheat - Deluxe Police Stations provide the best coverage. I always overfund police and fire departments, as it increases coverage range - same with school buses. It lets one structure service a wider area for a small increase in cost.



And then sometimes, I'll take out a few million in loans, destroy all of my fire departments, plop down a bunch of nuclear plants - and set fire to them.:D They quite unrealistically explode - I guess these nuclear reactors use bombs as their main power source. But it makes a nice fireball, and destroys everything within a relatively small (for a nuclear explosion) radius.
 
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Originally posted by: yamadakun
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
The best new(er) "sim city" like game is actually Capitalism 2, the free demo is great (no time limit and it is just as fun as the full game, as a matter of fact, I play the one scenario (not the tutorial) that is included in the demo more than anything else in the full game still).

This is very good for a sim game, but the learning curve is steep. How do you beat the demo, I achieved the 400M revenue, is there a message that tell you you win or you just go on forever.

This game is like crack - been playing the demo for the past two days and I love it. They should seriously make a sequel with a slick, modern interface (my only gripe with the game). I don't even mind the graphics - it says 2001 but it feels more like 1998. Is this thing even using any kind of 3D hardware acceleration or is it all a software renderer?

yamadakun - I don't think you've beaten the demo (or you would have got the victory screen). To beat the demo, you need to achieve an Annual Revenue of $400M (which you have) AND dominate the computer industry. That means you must have top market share for all four computer products: desktop, notebook, palm computer and printer. Achieve both the targets and you get a victory screen, your points are calculated and the game asks you if you want to continue playing.

I am about to hit a $2 billion Annual Revenue; my personal net worth is around $5 billion, my stock is trading at $1500 and I am dominating more than a dozen products. :D This game is fun. :thumbsup:

P.S. I can't believe these are the same guys that made the universally-panned 'Bad Day L.A' :p