Just purchased speakers need reciever

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Well I guess there's two ways to go

1. Get a very inexpensive receiver (off craigslist, or a really cheap one from a retail store... like a sherwood or something... or something refurbished)

2. Get a decent receiver with auto equalization built in that will hopefully fix some of the shortcomings of that speaker set (I drank the Audyssey kool-aid, so I recommend that).

The choice is probably going to come down to how much you want to spend. With a good deal on craigslist, you could get something reasonable for under $100.

How did you decide on that set of speakers?

What are you hooking up to it?

How important is sound quality?

(Note that either way, you're going to need speaker wire and a subwoofer cable)
http://www.monoprice.com/home/index.asp

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hmmmm....

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2032120&highlight=
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=290663&highlight=
 
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vshah

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what are the video outputs on the PC? are you using component or hdmi for the 360? and what inputs does the TV have out of hdmi/dvi/vga/component? post the model # if you can
 

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Well its gonna be for anything I use cable tv wise straight from the wall and my pc streaming to the 360 and gaming. I use hdmi on the 360, Mitsubishi TV - 60" Home Theater TV: Model WD-60735.

Speakers and sub seemed like a decent deal, reviews were fair, so I pulled the trigger.
 

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Im still up in the air. Onkyo sounds like the way to go but 2 hours radius around me from craigs isnt yielding anything. Its seems like hdmi ports on it would be nice but since my tv has a digital input is it necessary? I dont really know what im talking about but I dont want to throw money away on a piece of trash. I wish I could snag somehting for around $200 and maybe upgrade speakers later as well. Im a total newb sorry, ive read up quite a bit but I really have no outside refrence so im still in the dark. The back of these receivers is also freaking me out.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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I usually tend to recommend Onkyo and Denon, since their more recent models include Audyssey room correction. While Audyssey will not solve all acoustic problems, it can improve things immensely... especially when the speakers hooked up have serious shortcomings.

I don't really know any details about the speakers you bought. It appears that Acoustic Research was a solid company "back in the day", but they were sold to Audiovox recently. (Appears to be the same story with Advent and RCA?)
I'm not big on the history of speaker companies since I'm only 26 years old, but it appears that Audiovox is generally putting out a lot of really cheap stuff.
I tried searching on AVSforum for more info on them, but I didn't really come up with anything (which is usually a bad sign).

I suspect that the set you have from Best Buy would benefit greatly from a receiver that can do some automatic equalization on it.

The following clip is kind of dependent on having something decent to listen through, but here is a test I did with a set of $60 sony speakers and Audyssey MultEQ-XT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmmDenKL4U0
(The "more info" description describes the test and my take on the results)

If you get a really basic receiver off craigslist or something, you'll be able to get everything going, but you're not going to get the most out of the speakers you bought. It will still be a big step over TV speakers of course, so maybe that's good enough for you. This comes down to how much you care about this stuff.

If music is not a priority, then shortcomings in the set are probably going to be harder to notice.

If your TV has enough HDMI inputs for your sources, then having HDMI on the receiver is not really necessary.
If you get a receiver without HDMI capability (or a receiver WITH HDMI but not AUDIO over HDMI), then you'll be running a separate cable for each source for the audio.
A receiver with HDMI would make it easier to switch between sources with one remote... and could potentially reduce cable clutter depending on the capabilities of the receiver.

Without knowing how picky you are about this stuff, it's difficult to make a recommendation on this. It's possible that you could buy a $100 receiver and be extremely happy with things. It's also possible that you could get a $400 receiver that does good auto calibration, and has all the HDMI goodies... but you might still be unsatisfied and desire a speaker upgrade right away.

If you have any places around you that would allow for you to demo some different products, that would give you an idea of the difference between a $150 5.1 setup and a $1500 5.1 setup.
Some places will have dedicated spaces to make those comparisons relatively quickly and easily. (as compared to a row of sets on a shelf where there are a ton of variables to consider in addition to just what product is turned on).

If this is something you're thinking about upgrading later, it might make sense to just get a solid receiver now, so that when it comes time to upgrade... you're not considering upgrading the receiver again too.
If you're the kind of person who tweaks and upgrades things a lot, it might be cheaper to just "do it right" the first time with the receiver.

Before these automatic room correction solutions, I would have told you that it was a total waste to pair up a $150 5.1 set of speakers to a $300-$400 receiver. It's still not optimal for spending, but a good receiver can make a cheap set of speakers sound a whole heck of a lot better.

There was a deal yesterday on a Denon 1910 for $362 which was a good deal, but that's dead now. The Onkyo 160 or 607 would be solid choices as well.
These are all above your stated pricerange though, so I don't know how flexible you are on this... or really how much you care about all this.

As for hooking things up, we can help you with that. Once you learn what all the parts on the back of the receiver do, it's a lot easier to swallow.
Once you buy something, I can help you with diagrams and such. There are also some settings you'll want to adjust within the receiver's menu to get the most out of things (regardless of whether you spend $100 or $400 on a receiver).
 

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Im wanting to get serious with this, but being in apartments right now I have to be sort of careful. But the sound quality of music streaming from the xbox is unacceptable, I cant wait to equalize it, and the tv speakers are just pathetic im ready for what ive heard in stores in the past. Looks like im gonna have to go up to the $300 range, end up saving in the future anyways. Im def going to look into those onkyo, pray I can get one on craigs somehow.... or buckle down and quit being so cheap and predicable.
 

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From looking at the specs, I think you will need an AVR with a 125 hz cross-over point option.

Kind of wonder if a Yamaha AVR, or perhaps a Marantz AVR, might synergize with the AR house sound (?)
 

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I live in tennessee in an area far away from nashville of memphis. And I dont really understand above post, sorry. My craigslist pickings are slim.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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The above post means:

- In order to set up your speakers + sub correctly, the receiver will have to have the option to set the frequency at which the subwoofer will start to take over the bass frequencies. Smaller speakers require that this frequency be higher, since they do not produce bass as well. Based on the specifications of speakers, you can tell what frequency the crossover will have to be set to get optimal performance based on the limitations of the speakers.
With the small speakers you've purchased, the receiver will need to be able to set a crossover point of somewhere around 120-130Hz so that the satellite speakers aren't being sent frequencies that are too low.
Most modern receivers should have this capability, but you should check the documentation on any model that you're looking at. We can help with this.

-The second part is about a recommendation for specific brands of receivers that may match well with the sound characteristics of the speakers.
I don't know how mshan decided that those would go well with the ones you have purchased. I have doubts as to whether these speakers (produced after Acoustic Research was purchased by Audiovox) have the AR house sound. I also have doubts in general as to whether trying to match speaker characteristics to receiver characteristics is a worthwhile endeavor now that auto equalization is a reality.
 

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The audyssey sounds nice, so onkyo ftw but I dont know which I really need. My tv has 3 hdmi inputs so im good there, I wish I could fish up something on craigs under 2 hours away. Im inbetween Chattanooga and Knoxville, both turning up crap. I bet living in a big city makes craigs great for this kind of stuff.
 

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One of my friends purchased the Sherwood RD6513 from Amazon for $175 shipped. He really likes it for the price. It comes with sherwood's auto eq called SNAP and the microphone is included. I don't know how it compares with audyssey, but it's a cheaper choice to consider
 

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So ive got the Onkyo 160 sitting in shopping cart trying to pull the trigger. One thing that has me worried is I have no idea how much wire I need and what kind, I have a 12 x 15 room but im confused on guages and whatnot, I know its always better to have too much than too little but I dont know where to start.
 

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So ive got the Onkyo 160 sitting in shopping cart trying to pull the trigger. One thing that has me worried is I have no idea how much wire I need and what kind, I have a 12 x 15 room but im confused on guages and whatnot, I know its always better to have too much than too little but I dont know where to start.

I just pick up the 50' rolls of the 14 gauge stuff from Menards/Home Depot for $9 a roll or so. It's decent sized, easy to work with, and will fit the binding posts of just about speaker/receiver.

the RC 160 is a very nice value for entry level home theatre receivers. More than enough options and inputs and settings for most casual home theatre setups.
 

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I just picked up the RC 160, and the energy take 5 speakers for a 11'x15' room. I got 100' of 14 gauge wire. I ran the speaker wire around the trim and around the door frames so I used a bit extra, but I ran out on the last speaker. If I would have gone with 150' I would have had plenty.
 

Pastullio

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So the onkyo shipped today, and im adding 14AWG Enhanced Loud Oxygen-Free Copper SPEAKER WIRE Cable - 100ft from monoprice in there. Was told Id need subwoofer cable too so I am also odering this 12ft Coaxial Audio/Video RCA Cable M/M RG59U 75ohm (for S/PDIF, Digital Coax, Subwoofer & Composite Video) from there. Am I missing anything I need, like banana plugs? Like do I need two for each speaker? Any guidance is appreciated. Sorry im newb. With shipping with this website monoprice maybe I can fiind this stuff locally and get out cheaper perhaps.
 
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YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Guys im sorry for being so newb at this but im not understanding how to hook this thing up
http://images.tigerdirect.com/SKUimages/enhanced/A78-1000-call06-ro.jpg
Do I need subwoofer cables for that? These speakers and sub came with no instructions! Putting my ignorant butt in the dark at this point. The Onkyo 160 is in the mail and im freaking out I wont know how to do this correctly.

The Onkyo will come with instructions.

I could go through some info on hookup now if you want, but there will be color diagrams and such with the Onkyo.
 

Pastullio

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Oh cool im sure I can get something done with some instructions. Thanks for your help guys im sure I will be asking more easy to answer questions in the future.