Just ordered a PS3...

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: purbeast0
metroid was not an FPS, it was an FPA - first person adventure game. that's why it had weird controls.

and i have no clue wtf you are talking about with weird use of analog sticks or having busttons in inconvenient places. are you still playing FPS on N64 or something?

What the hell is the difference? It had weird controls and was a first person game that would have benefited from "normal" controls. Adventure vs Shooter, makes no difference... the controls sucked unnecessarily.

I'm not sure how I can dumb it down further to get you to understand the button / control issue. It basically goes like this: if it doesn't have the exact same control scheme as Halo, it sucks. Some games don't. Even if it has the same controls as Halo, it still sucks compared to Mouse + Keyboard by a wide margin.

it does make a difference, if you read any review or anything about metroid you will know it's not an FPS per se, it's an FPA.

and by you saying "it still sucks compared to the mouse + keyboard" you should really be saying "i suck with the controller compared to the mouse + keyboard", which is exactly my point in my initial post in this thread.

Haha--what're you talking about?! MP3 is a FPS. The persepctive is First-Person and there is A LOT of shooting in it. Have you even played it? Just because you're jumping around, pushing buttons, and finding items to progress in the game doesnt change anything about the controls. Hell, it's also has some platforming aspects to it--wanna call it a "First-Person Platormer"? Besides, youre point it moot--we're still played in the frist-person.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: purbeast0
metroid was not an FPS, it was an FPA - first person adventure game. that's why it had weird controls.

and i have no clue wtf you are talking about with weird use of analog sticks or having busttons in inconvenient places. are you still playing FPS on N64 or something?

What the hell is the difference? It had weird controls and was a first person game that would have benefited from "normal" controls. Adventure vs Shooter, makes no difference... the controls sucked unnecessarily.

I'm not sure how I can dumb it down further to get you to understand the button / control issue. It basically goes like this: if it doesn't have the exact same control scheme as Halo, it sucks. Some games don't. Even if it has the same controls as Halo, it still sucks compared to Mouse + Keyboard by a wide margin.

it does make a difference, if you read any review or anything about metroid you will know it's not an FPS per se, it's an FPA.

and by you saying "it still sucks compared to the mouse + keyboard" you should really be saying "i suck with the controller compared to the mouse + keyboard", which is exactly my point in my initial post in this thread.

It does not make a difference. I don't need to read reviews to know that the metroid controls sucked unnecessarily. There was no reason for the controls to suck that much aside from any intentional, artificial difficulty imposed as a result of such crappy controls.

And if you read my initial post I refuted the notion that it's merely about user skill quite handily and you agreed with me. The controller is inherently inferior. It has nothing to do with sucking at using the controller. Even the most skilled user of a console controller in an FPS will never be able to achieve things that are easy to do with a keyboard and mouse.

you have made so many claims in this thread that basically tell me you don't know much about anything you are talking about.

go watch some videos at mlgpro.com of these pros playing halo then get back to me telling me that the best of the best can't achieve things that are easy to do on kb/m.

im done w/this thread.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: torpid
That's well and good, but in this Console Gaming forum, the OP asked about getting used to the controllers, having come from a PC background, and people offered good advice. The console controller is inherently inferior for FPS, but great for most other genres.

People are offering advice specifically about FPSes when by their own admission they don't even play console FPSes. How is that good advice on transitioning from PC to console controls?

OP should take advice from people who were able to make the transition without giving up - stick with it for a few weeks, and it will be second nature.

People in this thread aren't giving the OP advice, they're voicing their opinion on which is better. OP didn't ask for that.

Well...I did the transition happily and I am still using K&M on the PS3 in many FPS games...why doesn't that count?

SmartJoy Frag adapters and the like are the way to go when it comes to PS3 FPS gaming especially for ex-PC FPS gamers, well at least until we start noticing more and more developers supporting K&M on consoles out of the box

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Well...I did the transition happily and I am still using K&M on the PS3 in many FPS games...why doesn't that count?

SmartJoy Frag adapters and the like are the way to go when it comes to PS3 FPS gaming especially for ex-PC FPS gamers, well at least until we start noticing more and more developers supporting K&M on consoles out of the box

You are one of the people in this thread who gave useful advice.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
go watch some videos at mlgpro.com of these pros playing halo then get back to me telling me that the best of the best can't achieve things that are easy to do on kb/m.

I don't have time to pore over all of them. Which one has a guy doing a complete 180 in under a second without moving? Which one has them with the ability to switch to 10-14 weapons with the single press of a button in under a second?

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: mugs
People are offering advice specifically about FPSes when by their own admission they don't even play console FPSes. How is that good advice on transitioning from PC to console controls?

I do play FPS though. The advice is in answer to the question "How hard is it" to get used to the controller. In FPS games it is more difficult than other games. Some people never got used to them and gave up. Even if you get used to them, there are going to be some drawbacks to using a controller even then. Might as well prepare for them now rather than be surprised later.

 

[Jschmuck2]

In reading this thread, I have learned that purebeast0 should be more aptly named puredouche0

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[mugs]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: purbeast0
go watch some videos at mlgpro.com of these pros playing halo then get back to me telling me that the best of the best can't achieve things that are easy to do on kb/m.

I don't have time to pore over all of them. Which one has a guy doing a complete 180 in under a second without moving? Which one has them with the ability to switch to 10-14 weapons with the single press of a button in under a second?

There are ways to accomplish selecting from a large number of weapons on the console controller. One way (used by Saints Row and Bioshock) is to press a button and then select from weapons that are arranged in a circle around an analog stick. You can do this very quickly. Nowadays you're usually limited to carrying ~2 weapons at a time, because carrying 10 weapons at a time is kind of silly.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
In reading this thread, I have learned that purebeast0 should be more aptly named puredouche0

Purbeast gave the OP helpful information.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: purbeast0
go watch some videos at mlgpro.com of these pros playing halo then get back to me telling me that the best of the best can't achieve things that are easy to do on kb/m.

I don't have time to pore over all of them. Which one has a guy doing a complete 180 in under a second without moving? Which one has them with the ability to switch to 10-14 weapons with the single press of a button in under a second?

There are ways to accomplish selecting from a large number of weapons on the console controller. One way (used by Saints Row and Bioshock) is to press a button and then select from weapons that are arranged in a circle around an analog stick. You can do this very quickly. Nowadays you're usually limited to carrying ~2 weapons at a time, because carrying 10 weapons at a time is kind of silly.

I do think that the Bioshock method is innovative, but it's still not quite the same as the # keys. Maybe someone will figure it out some day. Anyway, that's an FPA

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I wear an XL in full finger mountain bike gloves, and while the PS3 controller is so small I feel like I am pinching it, instead of holding it like the 360, it isn't uncomfortable at all.

I do not think that is uncomfortable overall, just uncomfortable in limited number of games that require one to make use of both analog sticks at the same time (IE one thumb on each analog stick at the same time to play the game). Otherwise, I am fine with it. It sounds like your hands can handle it better than mine in games that I described.

 

[JE78]

Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
Last time I remember playing a console game was Starfox on SNES. How long ago was that? Seems like ages. Anyway finally pulled the trigger on a PS3. Getting it primarily for Blu-Ray movies, but I figure I'll end up trying some games on it to, even though I've been PC gaming forever. How hard is it for PC gamers to get used to the PS3 controller?

I wish I would have bought this a few months ago, but it just wasn't possible then. I kinda feel like I'm getting ripped off because I missed out on the 5 free movies, Spiderman bundle, etc. Oh well, that's how my luck seems to go. :laugh: Get ready for big PS3 deals tomorrow since I just ordered today. LOL!

I was in the same boat as you a few weeks ago. I've been a PC gamer for the last 10 years or so, the last console I gave any real attention too was the Ps1 and I bought my PS3 mostly for the Blu-Ray player. I got the 40gb version and bought MLB08 The Show. The first hour of playing the game I was stunned by the quality of the graphics. I have yet to give any FPS a try but I did try halo 3 on my friends 360 and I sucked, I just couldn't get the controls down, I feel much more comfortable with a mouse and KB. I probably won't pick up any FPS's for the PS3. My suggestion is too download some demo's and find out what you like. You can also rent game.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

i have a ps3 and also game on the pc. i would never play an fps like TF2 or CS:S using a controller, sure you can make it work using various compromises but all in all, it sucks ass. stick to the pc for shooters and use the ps3 where it really shines, like sports, rpg and action games.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Being a first time console owner when I got my PS3, I'd stay away from FPS's for a while. I could get used to the 3rd person view action games, and all other RPG games, but I couldn't ever hit anything in a FPS with the controller. (Never tried any sports games, so no experience with them).

So my rule is to play all FPS's on my PC.

I'd actually jump right in. A lot of actions games don't auto aim for you anymore so you have to get used to it. Uncharted helped me a lot in getting MORE used to the PS3 controller and aiming, but I'm still not totally use to it; I've had mine since beginning of January, haven't used it for a month cause I got no time and nothing to play.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I wear an XL in full finger mountain bike gloves, and while the PS3 controller is so small I feel like I am pinching it, instead of holding it like the 360, it isn't uncomfortable at all.

I do not think that is uncomfortable overall, just uncomfortable in limited number of games that require one to make use of both analog sticks at the same time (IE one thumb on each analog stick at the same time to play the game). Otherwise, I am fine with it. It sounds like your hands can handle it better than mine in games that I described.

One of the first games I noticed this was with DMC4. The only reason I can think of as to why it didnt bother me in the past has to do with the introduction of the X360's controller into my gaming life. I love that controller--it fits so nicely in my hands. After playing the DMC4 demo on both systems--there was a difference and it was noticable.

Also, there are times when I'm using the DS controller and when pressing in with both analog sticks my fingers end up hitting each other.

 

[luv2liv]

i love unreal 3!
when playing with the kb+mouse, i can easily get headshot.
i swear when playing with others, i can identify whos using playing controllers or not judging by the way they move n aim...

 

[Riverhound777]

Where did you order from? I just signed up for the Sony credit card to get the $100 off the PS3. Plan on ordering from amazon to get the free shipping, and maybe pick up Rock Band at the same time for basically $50.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Riverhound777
Where did you order from? I just signed up for the Sony credit card to get the $100 off the PS3. Plan on ordering from amazon to get the free shipping, and maybe pick up Rock Band at the same time for basically $50.

i dont know if there is a new deal, but the $100 off the sony card purchase HAD to be purchased at the sony style store if you wanted the $100 off back when i did the deal.

actually just 15 minutes ago I looked up my sony reward points on their website from my PS3 purchase back in August, and I have about 4250pts. the sixaxis controllers are only 4650 and you can pay $1/100pts to make up the different.

i think im going to wait for the DS3 to hit their rewards website and get one for like $12 out of my pocket.

 

[Riverhound777]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Riverhound777
Where did you order from? I just signed up for the Sony credit card to get the $100 off the PS3. Plan on ordering from amazon to get the free shipping, and maybe pick up Rock Band at the same time for basically $50.

i dont know if there is a new deal, but the $100 off the sony card purchase HAD to be purchased at the sony style store if you wanted the $100 off back when i did the deal.

actually just 15 minutes ago I looked up my sony reward points on their website from my PS3 purchase back in August, and I have about 4250pts. the sixaxis controllers are only 4650 and you can pay $1/100pts to make up the different.

i think im going to wait for the DS3 to hit their rewards website and get one for like $12 out of my pocket.

Go here and click on the little yellow arrow next to "any authorized retailer". It doesn't even have to be a PS3 purchase, just your first purchase over $300.

http://sonycard.sony.com/sonyg...CLICK=&CID=&PROMO=DF01

 

[tdawg]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: purbeast0
metroid was not an FPS, it was an FPA - first person adventure game. that's why it had weird controls.

and i have no clue wtf you are talking about with weird use of analog sticks or having busttons in inconvenient places. are you still playing FPS on N64 or something?

What the hell is the difference? It had weird controls and was a first person game that would have benefited from "normal" controls. Adventure vs Shooter, makes no difference... the controls sucked unnecessarily.

I'm not sure how I can dumb it down further to get you to understand the button / control issue. It basically goes like this: if it doesn't have the exact same control scheme as Halo, it sucks. Some games don't. Even if it has the same controls as Halo, it still sucks compared to Mouse + Keyboard by a wide margin.

it does make a difference, if you read any review or anything about metroid you will know it's not an FPS per se, it's an FPA.

and by you saying "it still sucks compared to the mouse + keyboard" you should really be saying "i suck with the controller compared to the mouse + keyboard", which is exactly my point in my initial post in this thread.

It does not make a difference. I don't need to read reviews to know that the metroid controls sucked unnecessarily. There was no reason for the controls to suck that much aside from any intentional, artificial difficulty imposed as a result of such crappy controls.

And if you read my initial post I refuted the notion that it's merely about user skill quite handily and you agreed with me. The controller is inherently inferior. It has nothing to do with sucking at using the controller. Even the most skilled user of a console controller in an FPS will never be able to achieve things that are easy to do with a keyboard and mouse.

It's all relative. While the console controller may be inferior to a KB + Mouse, in their relative environments, there are people that excel with the control scheme given to them. Playing FPSs on a console, I don't have to worry if the guy I'm shooting at is good or better with a KB+M; he and I are using the same control scheme, so there is no variable here. A good player is a good player is a good player. This cross-platform console vs. pc control argument doesn't mean anything. If you want to play FPSs on a console, you'll learn to use the controls effectively and adapt your play to the game at hand.

 

[tdawg]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
i have a ps3 and also game on the pc. i would never play an fps like TF2 or CS:S using a controller, sure you can make it work using various compromises but all in all, it sucks ass. stick to the pc for shooters and use the ps3 where it really shines, like sports, rpg and action games.

It's all subjective; what sucks to you may be a blast to the others. Halo 3 & COD4 on the 360 and R6:V2 on the PS3 are great fun. I have absolutely no problems with the inferior console controller since everybody has to deal with the same "disadvantage".

I can't comprehend why these threads get started. How does Joe Schmo know if I'm going to be able to adapt to console controls vs a KB+M or if I'm going to like it?

OP, just rent one or two FPSs; you will adapt to the control scheme.

 

[MoobyTheGoldenCalf]

Originally posted by: Riverhound777
Where did you order from? I just signed up for the Sony credit card to get the $100 off the PS3. Plan on ordering from amazon to get the free shipping, and maybe pick up Rock Band at the same time for basically $50.

I ordered it from Amazon. I've got 0% for a year on my CC. That plus free shipping & no tax was good enough for me.

 

[Riverhound777]

I was going to be ordering the 40gb PS3 as soon as I got my Sony credit card but now I think I'm going to wait for the new 80gb + MGS4 bundle with DS3 controller. I have never played MGS but for the better PS3 and DS3 controller I think it will be worth the wait. I just hope it really does come out June 12th as speculation has it.

Anyone heard any news on this?

 

[mlm]

Originally posted by: Riverhound777
I was going to be ordering the 40gb PS3 as soon as I got my Sony credit card but now I think I'm going to wait for the new 80gb + MGS4 bundle with DS3 controller. I have never played MGS but for the better PS3 and DS3 controller I think it will be worth the wait. I just hope it really does come out June 12th as speculation has it.

Anyone heard any news on this?

It's definitely coming out on the 12th. Don't worry.

 

[torpid]

Maybe I should order more controllers now. I really can't stand rumble in controllers. How long does it take for sony style points to show up?