AzN
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Originally posted by: Schmide
Originally posted by: Azn
That wasn't what I meant. I meant my motherboard has been stressed upto 500fsb with the CPU I have now which I could go higher if my memory wasn't limiting.
Trust me, i own a P5B Deluxe...you certainly can get 500 FSB on that board, but again, with a dual core.
When you get a quad (if you do), on that board, you'll start to understand a bit more what we are talking about
Without links or study done proving your claims I have no reason to trust you. If you could provide that information I would be more than happy to agree with you.
I have to count the irony at 2 here.
First reply proof needed users experience.
Second reply proof is only satisfied by links or study.
Huh.
links are examples with proof because the link usually have PI and CPU-Z as evidence. He telling me something without examples or pictures is not proof. I can prove my motherboard 500fsb dance with E6300 by posting a picture doing orthos if you'd like.
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And that right there is where you fail with your lack of experience.
775 quads just don't overclock to teh same FSB levels as dual-cores. The fact that there are two dice, wired to teh same FSB, rather than just one, should make it obvious for you. There is greater capacitive loading on the signal lines, along with more noise, that just makes it impossible for a quad to OC to the same FSB levels as a dual.
Schmide
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It certainly seems as though you believe FSB is specific to either the chip or the chipset. If not we seem to be more in agreement than disagreement. Huh.
I have comprehension problems? Irony count at 3 now. It seems that everyone is on the same page as me sans you? Oh well.
No problem with this logic.
Well the bus on a quad is more complected than a dual as it has to switch between 2 separate chips.
Then I consider you unqualified to argue any point based on your experience.
I gave my experience as is. Being in general consensus with everybody sans you, I'll let it stand. I doubt anything would convince you anyways.
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The other link provides a link in the first post to Xbits labs and at the very bottom of page 6 it says they used this X38 board. Pic for reference. Can you take a screen shot in that article - linked again here - and provide a screen-shot(s) of the fsb & mobo (chipset) being used hitting 450fsb with that Q9450 on a P35 board? Thanks
Schmide
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Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: n7
No thanx.
I have no desire to argue with someone who's made it very clear they prefer to ignorantly argue over a topic than learn something.
So you would rather ignorantly sprout misinformation to everyone without proof?
Irony level 4
AzN
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You've basically put words in mouth because you couldn't comprehend what I was trying to say. This is the reason why I gave you a detailed explanation trying to make you comprehend what I was trying to say.
Yup. You definitely had comprehension problems what I was trying to say. Same page you maybe that doesn't make it true. I gave examples with links while everyone did NOT!
Again if Q9550 was capable of 500fsb I don't see any reason that my P965 board can do 500fsb.
I might not be experienced with a quad processors but I'm about as technical as anyone here when it comes to overclocking. Who here got 3.5ghz out of E6300 on air? The person who I bought it from 3 years ago originally said he couldn't even get 3ghz stable with it.
If there is a limit of 400fsb on yorkfield on less than p45 boards I would like to know. Your opinion is yours. I can't take that away from you but I have mine. However these links prove that there is no 400fsb limit on p35 boards.
AzN
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Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
The other link provides a link in the first post to Xbits labs and at the very bottom of page 6 it says they used this X38 board. Pic for reference. Can you take a screen shot in that article - linked again here - and provide a screen-shot(s) of the fsb & mobo (chipset) being used hitting 450fsb with that Q9450 on a P35 board? Thanks
You are trolling yet again. Post pictures of not my claims? Seriously. You should ask the guys on those boards with examples not me.
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But here I have found more examples with pictures on p35 board and many people getting higher than 400fsb.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=205972
Schmide
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No I did not put words in your mouth. In fact my original statement
Was conditional. Either you believe these chipsets can function on an even par with the more advanced chipsets or not.
Of the 3 links you gave, I could not find one quad doing anywhere near 450fsb. There were a couple examples of dualies doing it.
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Imagining and reality are not equal
Relevance. You're only as technical as your current argument.
Your 3 links actually did a fine job. I do admit I only went through the first 3 pages.
I'm not here to prove your case. So far. Neither are you.
Schmide
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Originally posted by: Azn
You are trolling yet again. Post pictures of not my claims? Seriously. You should ask the guys on those boards with examples not me.
Irony level 5
[/quote]Originally posted by: Azn
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But here I have found more examples with pictures on p35 board and many people getting higher than 400fsb.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=205972
I guess logically if you found an example where some serious voltage and adjustments were made on a a pro board. It must be true for all.
AzN
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Your original statement about me believing reaching same FSB on same motherboard is not even close to what I said. I call that words in mouth. You?
Perhaps you missed it. In my other link it has 2 examples of 2 different p35 boards doing 450fsb with Q9450.
Okay here's another. http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=205972
This guy is doing 450fsb and another guy with pictures doing 475fsb.
Whatever the limit on the Q9550 processor is capable of @ certain fsb I don't see any other reason than the processor limit with proper ram to reach it's full potential on a less than p45 motherboard. That's reality as shown by my constantly added links.
Which you bought no evidence other than words while I'm constantly linking to other p35 users that got more than 400fsb.
No you are here because you like to argue for the sake of it. This is the reason why you haven't brought a single link that limits 400fsb on p35 with yorkfield.
AzN
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Originally posted by: Schmide
Originally posted by: Azn
You are trolling yet again. Post pictures of not my claims? Seriously. You should ask the guys on those boards with examples not me.
Irony level 5
Originally posted by: Azn
edit:
But here I have found more examples with pictures on p35 board and many people getting higher than 400fsb.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=205972
I guess logically if you found an example where some serious voltage and adjustments were made on a a pro board. It must be true for all.[/quote]
So you don't voltage adjust on p45 boards? Oh the irony. :disgust:
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Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
The other link provides a link in the first post to Xbits labs and at the very bottom of page 6 it says they used this X38 board. Pic for reference. Can you take a screen shot in that article - linked again here - and provide a screen-shot(s) of the fsb & mobo (chipset) being used hitting 450fsb with that Q9450 on a P35 board? Thanks
You are trolling yet again. Post pictures of not my claims? Seriously. You should ask the guys on those boards with examples not me.
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But here I have found more examples with pictures on p35 board and many people getting higher than 400fsb.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=205972
No, don't be silly I am not trolling I am asking you provide pics to back up other peoples claim cause honestly it is not coming from your experience
Now, in this post, there is no SS of using a P35 NB Chipset, granted others are claiming high fsb on a P35 which is great! But, in that post, there is a link titled "Source" that supplies this information. So while others are claiming in writing, no one is supplying SSs with all their claims.
EDIT: you know what, I don't even care at this point, take care
Schmide
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Fine make a clear distinction then. Given a p35 and a p45 and a Q9450, will the maximum FSB be the same? Do you consider it the norm for p35s to reach 450+ FSB or the exception?
Yeah I see 2 in the table now. Ehh. I still consider it the exception not the norm.
Irony level 7.
AzN
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Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
The other link provides a link in the first post to Xbits labs and at the very bottom of page 6 it says they used this X38 board. Pic for reference. Can you take a screen shot in that article - linked again here - and provide a screen-shot(s) of the fsb & mobo (chipset) being used hitting 450fsb with that Q9450 on a P35 board? Thanks
You are trolling yet again. Post pictures of not my claims? Seriously. You should ask the guys on those boards with examples not me.
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But here I have found more examples with pictures on p35 board and many people getting higher than 400fsb.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=205972
No, don't be silly I am not trolling I am asking you provide pics to back up other peoples claim cause honestly it is not coming from your experience
ROFL>..Of course you are trolling. You are asking me to post pictures of other people's claims which I have no control over. :laugh:
Like you claiming there is a limit on 400fsb on p35 boards without evidence? If you want to get to the bottom of it all I suggest you ask these guys yourself. I can only provide examples of these guys by linking to show you there is evidence that p35 boards don't have 400fsb limit on yorkfield.
AzN
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Now you want to strawman? I said something you said something that's not what I said. Far as I'm concerned you put words in my mouth. I tried to explain it to you so you can understand more clearly what I was trying to say. This reply is over far as I'm concerned.
Can you prove this is the exception? How about the other link I gave you? I suppose those are more exceptions.
Here's another example of p35 doing the 400+fsb dance.
http://www.erodov.com/forums/o...ng-q9550-e0/13613.html
I suppose this is another exception.
What's your irony? You've pretty much come to all my post to argue for the sake of it with no examples or the same ignorant 1 site linking approach.
Schmide
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I don't want a straman, in fact what I asked would be completely consistent with my original, If (you believe something) statement. You understand the difference between a if statement and a direct quote?
Edit: but we can do it with direct quotes.
I guess i phrased it a bit different, but the implications are the same. Oh well.
Even better. Here is a thread discussing the exact same board and the FSB limitations with quads.
overclock.net
A really good pro board with a p35 chipset and high end quad can reach the mid 400s with the right settings. No one here said is was impossible.
The reality is p35s were gone and forgotten by the time q9xxx quads became the norm. There were sure some gem p35s that could do mid 400s. I don't believe the OP motherboard is one of them. Maybe it is. Either way. I'm going to let it rest.
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In light of the OP asking if his board will be fsb limited, you suggest it will do 500fsb "no problem" ; "I don't think so.". Did you or did you not suggest this. That is where you mislead him. See, in a null perception of fsb limitation without any suggestion of processor, this is true; but I think everyone knows the OP was asking about the fsb limitation of the board with the Q9550 in mind.
You Azn, are the one trolling.
AzN
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I'm trolling? :laugh: I wasn't speaking to you and you constantly reply to my post when there is no evidence of your claims other than couple forum members on this board who could just suck at overclocking and blame their hardware.
I've seen it happen. They rather blame others than blame themselves. Just like the guy who sold me the chip I own now who couldn't get 3.0ghz out of it which I got 3.5ghz.I suggested my motherboard has been stressed to 500fsb with a processor. I didn't specify if a q9550 can do 500fsb @ 8.5x multiplier just because my E6300 did 500fsb. In my later posts I clearly explain what I was trying to get at. But here you are without no proof, no examples of what you are implying then asks me to post pictures of someone else's claims which I linked to. :disgust:
AzN
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I think I explained to you what strawman is before. Here let me remind you what it is because you seem to be confused what strawman is....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
It's not consistent. You specifically said something I didn't say. that was basis of your reply. Then you changed something into how p35 being the exception of reaching 450fsb with yorkfield.
So now a good p35 board can do mid 400fsb? Whatever happened to your 400fsb p35 limit with yorkfield claims which you agreed with the people on this thread? :disgust: Ignorance finally crumbling I see.
This isn't the first time I made you see the light and it won't be the last.
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I asked because you twice gave examples to X38 chipsets :laugh:
You did provide a link with some good overclocking of a quad on a P35 chipset; I never said impossible, I asked for SSs to validate the chipset but again there is some convincing evidence. Now don't mix up me saying there is a 400fsb limit on a P35 with a quad EDIT: i did say: "it seems you will hit a wall around 425fsb" but never said it as an absolute.
You say "Tell me what is different about quad vs core 2 duo overclocking... Absolutely nothing! No offense " There is nothing different in doing so as in 'How' to do it - you are right there. It's like a dry sense of humor you are displaying here. That's like if a teacher asked: "Can somebody answer my question?" and you say, "Yes." - How is that helping? You pick apart the OP's questions to do what, teach him a lesson on how to ask questions? If someone is writing some information out that consistently uses some name that is easily accepted by an acronym or some reference to that person or thing, that acronym or reference is accepted in the later parts of the paragraph. Hence the OP's questioning of overclock his quad and then you start talking about stressing your e6300 and how it does 500fsb :roll:
You did provide a link with some good overclocking of a quad on a P35 chipset; I never said impossible, I asked for SSs to validate the chipset but again there is some convincing evidence. Now don't mix up me saying there is a 400fsb limit on a P35 with a quad
EDIT: i did say: "it seems you will hit a wall around 425fsb" but never said it as an absolute. You say "Tell me what is different about quad vs core 2 duo overclocking... Absolutely nothing! No offense
" There is nothing different in doing so as in 'How' to do it - you are right there. It's like a dry sense of humor you are displaying here. That's like if a teacher asked: "Can somebody answer my question?" and you say, "Yes." - How is that helping? You pick apart the OP's questions to do what, teach him a lesson on how to ask questions? If someone is writing some information out that consistently uses some name that is easily accepted by an acronym or some reference to that person or thing, that acronym or reference is accepted in the later parts of the paragraph. Hence the OP's questioning of overclock his quad and then you start talking about stressing your e6300 and how it does 500fsb :roll:TRENDING THREADS
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