Just offered Windows 10 via update on one pc but not the other

[RampantAndroid]

I tried one a few weeks ago and they'd crippled the update UI even worse than in the preview I tried a few moths before that. However, I don't think one can draw any conclusion based on the preview build. It would sort of make sense for them to force updates in a preview, even if they don't intend to do so in the final release.

What VirtualLarry is posting says that is official behavior.

 

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[Brainonska511]

If they are going to strip out functionality from the home version of Windows 10, then they should at least give windows 7 home/HP users Windows 10 pro for the "upgrade". It's not going to be much of an "upgrade" if the home version of 10 is a piece of crippleware that can't even do what the home version of 7 could. It sounds like Win 10 pro is more equivalent to Win 7 HP.

I'm lost. What features, besides media center, are being stripped out in Windows 10 Home versus W7 HP?

 

[RampantAndroid]

I'm lost. What features, besides media center, are being stripped out in Windows 10 Home versus W7 HP?

Mostly DVD playback and WMC.

 

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[RampantAndroid]

If they are going to strip out functionality from the home version of Windows 10, then they should at least give windows 7 home/HP users Windows 10 pro for the "upgrade". It's not going to be much of an "upgrade" if the home version of 10 is a piece of crippleware that can't even do what the home version of 7 could. It sounds like Win 10 pro is more equivalent to Win 7 HP.

You're getting a free upgrade that you can take or skip. Why would you expect them to give even more for free?

 

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[mikeymikec]

I wonder what logic MS is employing by stripping WU configurability. I would have thought that a really tiny proportion of users are idiots who say things like "updates are bloatware" or "it's how they feed me the mind control formula / spy on me" (/s), the vast majority of users probably have only once looked at the WU UI and moved on, and another minority go there for good reasons (e.g. checking to see that updates are generally installing OK, or to change settings for a plausible reason).

What about updates that are classed as optional, are those still optional in Win10?

I wonder if MS got the idea through one of their "surveys" (ie. go in with a preconception and set out to prove it while ignoring evidence to the contrary, e.g. "no-one uses the Start menu any more, let's get rid of it!"), that users who needlessly tinker are somehow the big problem with WU.

It really gets on my tits when software makers decide that they need to keep dumbing things down and sacrificing useful things. The Win81 upgrade failed to go onto a laptop I'm setting up for a customer, and the error message was... "something happened and it failed to install".

 

[JEDIYoda]

i got one too, just now. Is anybody jumping on board with this thing?

and why not?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Odd... Don't got this on my 8.1 system.
Must have been one of the KB updates that are optional, and I refused to install it.

I believe in order to get a free install of windows 10 you need to have all the updates installed for windows 8.1 if that is what your currently using!

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'm with you there. Anyone else also get an uneasy feeling about the offer? Like there's something in that update I'm NOT going to want?

Not at all!! In this case you cannot pick and choose!! So sorry!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

I didn't get it on my main rig. I'm pretty sure that's because I didn't install the nagware update, but when I checked in hidden updates I couldn't find it. Strange.

I did get it on one of my spare rigs where I let all the updates happen. Can't see anything about a clean install, so until that becomes an option I'm not interested.

Saw this extremely suspicious line in the fine print:


Quote:
Security and features are kept automatically up-to-date which is always enabled.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...earnMore_win10

What exactly do they mean by that? I certainly won't be installing Windows 10 on any machine until I've confirmed that the final release has all the same options for Windows Update that Win7 etc. have. If there is to be any forced updating, then I'm not interested.

EDIT: It's quite strange; I think 3035583 was the original nagware update that people were getting uptight about, but like I said I can find it in neither the installed updates list, nor the uninstalled/hidden updates list on my main system. So where is it? Was it rolled into 2990214 (also related to Win 10)? Because I did install that one for some reason. Although I would have expected to see the notification in that case. Now I'm a little concerned about what to do if it does show up. On my other PC I could see no "piss off and don't ask me again" option, so is the only option for getting rid of the notifications to uninstall the nagware related updates? I'm wary of uninstalling even these updates (probably why I have 2990214 installed), because someone from MS made a statement like "these updates include the Win10 nagware, but they also contain components necessary for normal OS updating as well". Last time I was updating a Windows 7 machine, I saw about 5 updates in total that seemed to be related to preparation for Windows 10.

By the way, two months is nowhere near enough time for them to have sufficiently polished the half-baked turd that is the current preview. I would not recommend early adoption. Don't know why they're pushing this "reservation" bollocks either. "Reserve" what? It's not like they're going to "run out" of anything.

Rumor has it there will be no opportunity for a clean install or for a CD or even an iso....lol

 

[JEDIYoda]

Configurable updates, apparently.

hahahaaaa...you want your cake and eat it too...hmmmm You don`t want much do you??

 

[JEDIYoda]

If they want me to jump on their free upgrade, then it should at least have the same fundamental customizability options as the OS I'm 'upgrading' from.

Your one person!! Trust me they don`t care!!

 

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[Mem]

If they want me to jump on their free upgrade, then it should at least have the same fundamental customizability options as the OS I'm 'upgrading' from.

I really don't see the issue or problem,Win10 has a lot more new features that Win7 does not have,throw in all the third party software out there as well,remember you get a free OS and last time I checked with plenty of free third party software out there on the net ,want some thing special then sure you might have to pay for it, but end of the day what are you expecting?

I'll be jumping on Win10 for sure,DVD playback and WMC are not an issue for me,got my Nero and other software so have that covered.


Btw I could also argue if they throw everything into Win10 some people will be arguing/moaning about too much bloatware,you just can't win with some people.

It is also a bit ironic we have no issues spending hundreds on hardware and games, but software some people refuse to spend a penny if something is missing.

 

[Ketchup]

I do like how they come out and tell you point blank that Media Center is gone:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq

Although I am even more appreciative of the forum members that have told us this beforehand.

Now we just need to figure out how to charge their minds, or at least bring it to where it is now, a Store purchase.

 

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[Mem]

I was referring to fundamental things like WU. No third party software will make up for a crippled WU. Of course I'm not against cutting out bloat, bloat that I'm likely to want to replace with more capable third party options. But you can go too far. I don't want windows to end up like chrome, where I can't achieve something as simple as specifying my own new tab page without having to install a third party plug in. At that point it's not "keeping it lean", it's crippling it.

And speaking of bloat, Windows 7 didn't have any significant bloat and if anything Windows 10 has more. Like all the stupid pre-installed apps that I'll never use, and metrofied duplicates of calculator etc. You can't tell me that MS are particularly concerned with minimizing bloat in this OS, and that's a lousy excuse for removing config options.

If Windows 10 Pro is going to be more equivalent to home versions of previous operating systems, then that's what they should be giving people currently on those versions.

Bloat is relative,end of the day Win10 is all in one OS that does it all and has more features then Win7 which you or I could very well argue is their last pure desktop OS so not surprising Win10 has more features or bloat,all relative depending on the needs or the user you ask.

End of the day you'll have to wait and see on how Win10 WU evolves down the road,Win10 is not even released yet.


We all know every new OS gets concerns/issues by some users, bottom line you don't have to upgrade.

Personally looking forward to final version of Win10,yes I keep saying that but nothing there I can't handle,there never is.

I still think it was a great move by Microsoft to offer it free to 7/8 home users.

 

[Blue_Max]

Not at all!! In this case you cannot pick and choose!! So sorry!!

What's with the attitude? I'm not referring to an unwanted feature, I mean more like Microsoft spying on your activities or staring through my webcam at my tinfoil hat? :ninja:

One can't help but wonder what they've got up their sleeve... Free? Nothing is free -- there's a catch somewhere.

 

[Ketchup]

What's with the attitude? I'm not referring to an unwanted feature, I mean more like Microsoft spying on your activities or staring through my webcam at my tinfoil hat? :ninja:

One can't help but wonder what they've got up their sleeve... Free? Nothing is free -- there's a catch somewhere.

"Up their sleeve" is figuring out how to make money, better. And Microsoft has finally discovered that charging the small group of people that buy a single user license on it's own ain't it. Finding out how to charge everyone for an app on each PC? Golden!

 

[thesnowlizard]

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