I was wondering the same thing. And those jobs aren't gauranteed great benefits/retirement plans.
I was wondering the same thing. And those jobs aren't gauranteed great benefits/retirement plans.
I'm almost certain it's higher than that in GA, but two master's-level developmental disabilities specialists whom I know both say they started out right around there.
Is developmental disabilities code for special ed? Because if it is, it is quite well known special ed teachers get paid less than regular teachers.
You're making a false comparison, and you're wrong.
Again, teaching doesn't require a BA, it requires a masters and a bachelors plus more besides (at secondary levels in this state anyway). You must compare the earnings based on educational requirements.
As I've said, studies have already shown that teachers put in just as many hours as any other full time job, and often more. Sure, you can find specific instances that refute this, but so can I on the other side.
Give me national averages based on education requirements, and if you want to claim that nationally something does more hours then you better have a peer-reviewed bit of research to back it up.
Actually special ed can make more just for teaching. The thing is that they don't usually coach extra-curriculars or other special incentive pays. Because they're in such high demand however, their actual teaching salaries are often higher than regular teachers. At least in this area.
My friend just got his BA for teaching in 2 years and will start out making over 30k a year teaching.
I just want to reiterate that I'm not complaining about teacher pay or workloads (though I do complain about teacher safety issues).
I'm fine with what I'll be making and what I'll have to do in order to earn it.
What I don't accept is the false comparisons and derision by people that have no authority on the subject, and no background to make such claims. Either find a neutral source with statistical data to support your claims, or you have to get the info from people within the field. Nothing else suffices.
I'm fine with what I'll be making and what I'll have to do in order to earn it.
What I don't accept is the false comparisons and derision by people that have no authority on the subject, and no background to make such claims. Either find a neutral source with statistical data to support your claims, or you have to get the info from people within the field. Nothing else suffices.
Do you have anything under your belt other than anectodals? I don't really care what your sisters boyfriends cousins roommate once did in Intercourse Missouri. Find national statistics.
Yes, I could get a BA in primary education and get a job making 34k a year in a larger city in Washington. I could not, however teach high school history in an average town in Washington under the same circumstances. Masters, Bachelors, plus another year or more of classes is what it would take, and I'd probably earn less because secondary teachers earn less than primary teachers in this state (even though primary education requirements are far lower). That's assuming a full-time position was open of course.
I guess it would fall under the "special ed" category, yes; although they deal more with emotionally-disruptive and disturbed children than those with mental retardation/intellectual disabilities, for the most part.
As for university professors working less than doctors/lawyers: while I'm sure there are instances in which this is true, I also personally know quite a few professors who put in just as many hours as my step-father (surgeon) and mother (nurse). It all depends on the field; many professors have jobs outside of the university at which they work, and are also required to adhere to the "publish or perish" adage.
Your the one making false comparisons.
You keep claimg all teachers have more education than a B.S, which is simply untrue.
Its takes a 5 year undergrad program in education, which is a complete joke BTW, to teach grade school. Or a bachelors in the feild + a teaching cert to teach 7-12.
The vast majority of public school teachers do not have masters.
Quite trying to claim they have to have a masters level education to start out at $30k. It's simply not true.
I don't know if I'd call the program a joke, although that largely depends on the university itself.
Although yeah, last I'd heard, the major uproar was over most states beginning to require that a teacher have a bachelor's in their field, rather than either an associate's, or a bachelor's in an unrelated subject.
The avg laywer, dr, mba, will usually work more than a typical professer. And Im not counting their hours spent moonlighting doing other thing, just their required teaching/research load. I know a professors that probably works 80 hrs a week, but thats because they write/edit textbooks in addition to their professorship and its requirements.
Starting out, laywers and drs by far work more hours than any other profession.
The avg 1st associate at a medium to large firm(those making $90k+), are working 3000+ hours a year.
Its a joke compared to a B.S. degrees, or even BBA degrees. Trust me I know plenty of people in the College of Education at both Texas A&M, and UT. Education programs are not what I'd call academically rigiorous.
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Again, not true. Granted it varies from place to place, but the requirements in the NCLB and other state initiatives are moving far beyond what you claim. Yes it still exists, but it's now the exception, not the norm.
Most states now require a masters for secondary education, at least within 5 years of starting (after 5 years your certificate changes and that's what the Masters requirement is tied to). Primary education still requires only a BA, but they get paid more anyway so the point is moot (ridiculous, but moot).
To be highly qualified (which is soon a requirement and already being driven for) you need a Bachelors in EVERY field in which you are endorsed. In many smaller districts a teacher may have 4 endorsements. You do the math. This is in addition to the teaching certificate requirements and the subject endorsement requirements in each field (and the aforementioned graduate degree requirement tied to the certificate).
For those persons going into teaching today they basically need a Bachelors, a Masters, and the other additional classes - at least within 5 years of starting. Either you get a Bachelors in your field(s) and a Masters in Ed (my path) or a Masters in your field(s) and a BA in Ed (more common for people coming to teaching from other fields).
Quit trying to downplay the changes happening in the education field right now.
I taught myself everything in my EE 112 course (circuit analysis - mainly KVL and KCL). The concepts and course weren't so hard, but my teacher was so horrible I heard to learn everything out of the book (which was equally as bad) and Google searches.
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PGY1, on average, start at 40K. Woohoo. 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, 80+ hours a week for 40K.
There we go. Now THAT's kind of thing that just takes the cake. While I'm not all for pay based on req's or time, there should be some semblence of reason to avoid things like that.
Yeah, of anyone, medical interns/residents probably get shafted the hardest.
As for the textbook-writing hours, that's technically considered part of the professor's job; although the publications usually come in the form of journal articles, as textbooks aren't generally seen as contributing to your field.
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meltdown75
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My SO is a lecturer at a university - I know you are not trying to generalize with your comments but let me tell you, no one that I know or have ever known works harder.
There really isn't any break in the work actually. When she's relaxing on the couch, it is the most deserved relaxing I can ever hope for someone to enjoy.
There really isn't any break in the work actually. When she's relaxing on the couch, it is the most deserved relaxing I can ever hope for someone to enjoy.
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