Just like Bush said . . . Iraqis will rule Iraq

BaliBabyDoc

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No authority or experience but who needs the peoples' consent when the Iraqi version of Jerry Falwell has your back
Abbas Hussein Zubaidi, a 31-year-old electronics technician who recently proclaimed himself director of Baghdad's Kindi Hospital, has never been to medical school. He has no professional experience. His only claim to power is a one-page edict from Iraq's most influential group of Shiite Muslim scholars, secured under a glass pane, that deputizes him to run the 350-bed facility.

The hospital's doctors want Zubaidi to leave. Fearful that asking him to go could provoke his armed supporters, the doctors have repeatedly asked U.S. officials to remove Zubaidi. But more than a week after the first request was made, they said they have received no definitive response.

"This is the responsibility of the Americans," said an orthopedist. "They are occupying our country. They should be protecting us. Where are they?"

After seeking to project an image of incontrovertible force on the battlefield during the campaign to topple Saddam Hussein's government, U.S. military commanders have done relatively little to crack down on the legions of religious clerics, tribal sheiks and once-exiled opposition leaders who have since grabbed power without permission in postwar Iraq.

The U.S. officials who have been selected to administer postwar Iraq, drawn largely from the Defense and State departments, remain cloistered in the 258-room, marble-floored Republican Palace on the banks of the Tigris River, where they lack working phones or regular e-mail access. Because of security requirements, they can venture outside the gated compound only if they are escorted by gun-toting soldiers in a Humvee. Iraqis cannot enter the palace grounds without a military escort.


It's an interesting article from the Washington Post.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Yeah, I like how we removed the "mayor" of Baghdad because he was actually getting things done and making us look bad, yet we are willing to leave people like this guy to do his business. Maybe this Zubaidi guy's bosses are friendly to the US a la Chalabi.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Yeah, I like how we removed the "mayor" of Baghdad because he was actually getting things done and making us look bad, yet we are willing to leave people like this guy to do his business. Maybe this Zubaidi guy's bosses are friendly to the US a la Chalabi.

Actually from what I read, he was helping keep the power off.
 

zephyrprime

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That mayor was bad news. I read that he was getting some things done but he was also promising all sorts of ridiculous crap like 10x the salary for everyone. To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?) He sounded like he had the makings of a murderous, corrupt, oligarch to me.
 

Spyro

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Originally posted by: zephyrprime
That mayor was bad news. I read that he was getting some things done but he was also promising all sorts of ridiculous crap like 10x the salary for everyone. To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?) He sounded like he had the makings of a murderous, corrupt, oligarch to me.

One of many in that region I'm sure.
 

KenGr

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The WaPo story sounds like another in the long line of Iraq stories about how everything is a disaster because it has not been made perfect immediately. Iraq is going to have to work a lot of things out and for more than a few weeks you will be able to find problems in restarting this society. Doesn't sound like a big news story to me.
 

cpumaster

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that just show you what a lose-lose situation we have in our hands, the same prospect that has kept daddy Bush from going all the way during GW1, the thing is at least back then, there are still many capable replacement leaders and rebels left (Shi'ite rebel leaders), but after more than 12 yrs, Saddam probably has killed many of them, now what is left are either the cronies of Saddam or inexperience replacemnet, people taking advantage of power vaccum created by the unpreparedness and not enough post war planning by this admin.
 

Phuz

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To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?)

Actually, Iraq has potential to be the richest country in the middle east if they have a leader that can manage their resources.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Phuz
To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?)

Actually, Iraq has potential to be the richest country in the middle east if they have a leader that can manage their resources.

Yes and it going to take more than a few weeks to get such a governing body in place.
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Phuz
To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?)

Actually, Iraq has potential to be the richest country in the middle east if they have a leader that can manage their resources.

Yes and it going to take more than a few weeks to get such a governing body in place.

What IS the time frame? a decade? more? less?

GBR, US and Poland are dividing the country in three parts, looks a lot like what happend in WWII europe (remember that the parts occupied by Soviet were occupied for more than 40 years)...

Poland should take care of their problems at home before doing anything like this, it's a third world country by our standards...
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Phuz
To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?)

Actually, Iraq has potential to be the richest country in the middle east if they have a leader that can manage their resources.

Yes and it going to take more than a few weeks to get such a governing body in place.

What IS the time frame? a decade? more? less?

GBR, US and Poland are dividing the country in three parts, looks a lot like what happend in WWII europe (remember that the parts occupied by Soviet were occupied for more than 40 years)...

Poland should take care of their problems at home before doing anything like this, it's a third world country by our standards...

I have anything of dividing iraq into 3 parts, but I have little doubt we will be there for several years. Also heard today that Mosul will be holding city elections in a couple weeks, so maybe things will progress faster than expected.

 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Phuz
To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?)

Actually, Iraq has potential to be the richest country in the middle east if they have a leader that can manage their resources.

Yes and it going to take more than a few weeks to get such a governing body in place.

What IS the time frame? a decade? more? less?

GBR, US and Poland are dividing the country in three parts, looks a lot like what happend in WWII europe (remember that the parts occupied by Soviet were occupied for more than 40 years)...

Poland should take care of their problems at home before doing anything like this, it's a third world country by our standards...

I have anything of dividing iraq into 3 parts, but I have little doubt we will be there for several years. Also heard today that Mosul will be holding city elections in a couple weeks, so maybe things will progress faster than expected.

The elections in Mosul are about what? A mayor... he will do as he is told or he won't be a mayor for very long, you know that as well as i do... to call that an important election is just plain silly...

 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Phuz
To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?)

Actually, Iraq has potential to be the richest country in the middle east if they have a leader that can manage their resources.

Yes and it going to take more than a few weeks to get such a governing body in place.

What IS the time frame? a decade? more? less?

GBR, US and Poland are dividing the country in three parts, looks a lot like what happend in WWII europe (remember that the parts occupied by Soviet were occupied for more than 40 years)...

Poland should take care of their problems at home before doing anything like this, it's a third world country by our standards...

I have anything of dividing iraq into 3 parts, but I have little doubt we will be there for several years. Also heard today that Mosul will be holding city elections in a couple weeks, so maybe things will progress faster than expected.

?

Please clarify...
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Phuz
To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?)

Actually, Iraq has potential to be the richest country in the middle east if they have a leader that can manage their resources.

Yes and it going to take more than a few weeks to get such a governing body in place.

What IS the time frame? a decade? more? less?

GBR, US and Poland are dividing the country in three parts, looks a lot like what happend in WWII europe (remember that the parts occupied by Soviet were occupied for more than 40 years)...

Poland should take care of their problems at home before doing anything like this, it's a third world country by our standards...

I have anything of dividing iraq into 3 parts, but I have little doubt we will be there for several years. Also heard today that Mosul will be holding city elections in a couple weeks, so maybe things will progress faster than expected.

?

Please clarify...

I have not heard anything about iraq being divided in to three parts.



 

etech

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Oct 9, 1999
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Post-Saddam Leaders May Soon Take Shape

BASRA, Iraq - A "nucleus of leadership" in Iraq may be in place within days to guide the country through the decisive selection of an interim government, the U.S. civil administrator said Monday

Iraq's third-largest city, Mosul, is already moving ahead. Representatives of its tribal and ethnic groups named a cross-section of residents Monday to run municipal affairs alongside the U.S. military.
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Paitence grasshopper. The Iraqis have not known freedom for decades. You don't turn that around in a few days.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Phuz
To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?)

Actually, Iraq has potential to be the richest country in the middle east if they have a leader that can manage their resources.

Yes and it going to take more than a few weeks to get such a governing body in place.

What IS the time frame? a decade? more? less?

GBR, US and Poland are dividing the country in three parts, looks a lot like what happend in WWII europe (remember that the parts occupied by Soviet were occupied for more than 40 years)...

Poland should take care of their problems at home before doing anything like this, it's a third world country by our standards...

I have anything of dividing iraq into 3 parts, but I have little doubt we will be there for several years. Also heard today that Mosul will be holding city elections in a couple weeks, so maybe things will progress faster than expected.

The elections in Mosul are about what? A mayor... he will do as he is told or he won't be a mayor for very long, you know that as well as i do... to call that an important election is just plain silly...


I do not know the details of the election, but I will say the candidate will likely be picked by us. We want people in power that are interested in the rebuilding the country and not ones interested in restarting the baath party in Iraq. This is not an overnight process, and will take a bit of work cooperation to get started.
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Yeah, I like how we removed the "mayor" of Baghdad because he was actually getting things done and making us look bad, yet we are willing to leave people like this guy to do his business. Maybe this Zubaidi guy's bosses are friendly to the US a la Chalabi.

That Chalabi guy is a crook. I can't believe the US supports him.
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Phuz
To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?)

Actually, Iraq has potential to be the richest country in the middle east if they have a leader that can manage their resources.

Yes and it going to take more than a few weeks to get such a governing body in place.

What IS the time frame? a decade? more? less?

GBR, US and Poland are dividing the country in three parts, looks a lot like what happend in WWII europe (remember that the parts occupied by Soviet were occupied for more than 40 years)...

Poland should take care of their problems at home before doing anything like this, it's a third world country by our standards...

I have anything of dividing iraq into 3 parts, but I have little doubt we will be there for several years. Also heard today that Mosul will be holding city elections in a couple weeks, so maybe things will progress faster than expected.

The elections in Mosul are about what? A mayor... he will do as he is told or he won't be a mayor for very long, you know that as well as i do... to call that an important election is just plain silly...


I do not know the details of the election, but I will say the candidate will likely be picked by us. We want people in power that are interested in the rebuilding the country and not ones interested in restarting the baath party in Iraq. This is not an overnight process, and will take a bit of work cooperation to get started.

You want people who will do what you tell them... period...
 

charrison

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Phuz
To get that done, he said he'd just go to the mint. (ever hear of inflation?)

Actually, Iraq has potential to be the richest country in the middle east if they have a leader that can manage their resources.

Yes and it going to take more than a few weeks to get such a governing body in place.

What IS the time frame? a decade? more? less?

GBR, US and Poland are dividing the country in three parts, looks a lot like what happend in WWII europe (remember that the parts occupied by Soviet were occupied for more than 40 years)...

Poland should take care of their problems at home before doing anything like this, it's a third world country by our standards...

I have anything of dividing iraq into 3 parts, but I have little doubt we will be there for several years. Also heard today that Mosul will be holding city elections in a couple weeks, so maybe things will progress faster than expected.

The elections in Mosul are about what? A mayor... he will do as he is told or he won't be a mayor for very long, you know that as well as i do... to call that an important election is just plain silly...


I do not know the details of the election, but I will say the candidate will likely be picked by us. We want people in power that are interested in the rebuilding the country and not ones interested in restarting the baath party in Iraq. This is not an overnight process, and will take a bit of work cooperation to get started.

You want people who will do what you tell them... period...

No, we want people with best interests of the Iraqi people in mind.

 

sMiLeYz

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
That Chalabi guy is a crook. I can't believe the US supports him.

Yes, but he's OUR crook.

The guy Chalabi was kicked out of Switzerland, and several other (I forget) european countries, and hes wanted in Jordan for stealing 500 million dollars. Now you know it's bad when Switzerland kicks him out :D

Is this the kind of people the administration wants running the country?
 

DZip

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Does anyone know how long the American Revotutionary war lasted (Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 to Cornwallis surrender at Yorktown on October 18, 1781)? 5 years, 3 months, 14 days. The first president of the United States (George Washington) was elected by the electorial college on February 4, 1889. 7 years, 3 months, 16 days after the war ended.

The Iraqi war lasted less than 2 months. Do we really think we could see a leader elected to run possibly one the richest country in the middle east in a few months?
 

DZip

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Does anyone know how long the American Revolutionary war lasted (Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 to Cornwallis surrender at Yorktown on October 18, 1781)? 5 years, 3 months, 14 days. The Electoral College elected the first president of the United States (George Washington) on February 4, 1889. 7 years, 3 months, 16 days after the war ended.

The Iraqi war lasted less than 2 months. Do we really think we could see a leader elected to run possibly one the richest country in the Middle East in a few months?
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: DZip
Does anyone know how long the American Revolutionary war lasted (Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 to Cornwallis surrender at Yorktown on October 18, 1781)? 5 years, 3 months, 14 days. The Electoral College elected the first president of the United States (George Washington) on February 4, 1889. 7 years, 3 months, 16 days after the war ended.

The Iraqi war lasted less than 2 months. Do we really think we could see a leader elected to run possibly one the richest country in the Middle East in a few months?
Please quit saying things like this; you're spoiling all the criticism. If Iraq can't have a stable, democratic government in 3 weeks then obviously the US should be condemned.