Question Just in case anyone thinks I'm a fanboy

[bigboxes]

I was with Intel until 2000. Then I was with AMD until 2009 when I went back to Intel. I was with Intel until 2021 when I went back to AMD. I vote for the one who makes the best product for the best price. Prove me wrong. 😎

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Weird flex.

 

[adamge]

Define "with."

 

[dullard]

1) The elephant is bigger than the mouse.
2) The powerful, dominant elephant displays its might over the puny, timid mouse.
3) The cunning mouse dodges the evil elephant's morbidly obese heft.

One statement is neutral (#1). Two of those statements are biased (#2 and #3). That doesn't change if you own a mouse. It still doesn't change if you happen to own an elephant.

That is a long way to say that ownership of a CPU is irrelevant to whether or not you are biased in your discussions.

 

[bigboxes]

Define "with."

Intimately

 

[Tech Junky]

vote for the one who makes the best product for the best price.

That's what most of us do.

Intel subsidies though make switching expensive though. Long term though these days goes to AMD. Though I'm a bit up in the air now that they're both doing hybrid cores. Desktop seems untouched but, AMD laptop switchover is a bit underwhelming so far from what's been leaked so far.

Overall though there's not much change going on with things other than more efficient HW. There's not much room to grow vertically anymore it seems.

 

[positivedoppler]

when you dumped Intel in 2021, did you say "its not you, its me"

 

[bba-tcg]

when you dumped Intel in 2021, did you say "its not you, its me"

Never. I always say "it's not me, it's you".

 

[Markfw]

I was with Intel until 2000. Then I was with AMD until 2009 when I went back to Intel. I was with Intel until 2021 when I went back to AMD. I vote for the one who makes the best product for the best price. Prove me wrong. 😎

I agree completely. I was with Intel most of the time, but sometime around Athlon64 I went with AMD, then when Conroe came back in about 2006, I was with them until 2017 and Zen. Still with Zen. I actually was hoping that sometime soon , Intel would be competitive, but after the Raptorlake degrading thing, I may even still stall a little bit, even if they are completive again (and efficient), due to Intel policies. They need performance, efficiency and good customer policies.

 

[phillyman36]

As someone sitting here with 2 Intel rigs reading about the whole fiasco with Intel Im not taking a chance. Im ditching my rigs for Amd. A while ago @Markfw suggesting to me to go Amd yes mark im kicking myself. The plan is to go 7800x3d for my gaming rig and when the x870 mobo come out grab a 9900x and be done. I would prefer to get the 9800x3d but we dont have a release date for that.

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[lakedude]

the whole fiasco with Intel

It isn't a fiasco, yet... I'm fairly confident they will eventually do the right thing, it is likely impossible in the short term due to the scale of the problem vs stock on hand. They are trying to avoid a "run on the banks"...

Im ditching my rigs for Amd.

Why? Are the Intel ones giving you trouble?

plan is to go 7800x3d for my gaming rig

Best current CPU for gaming, good choice, if you are in a hurry.

I would prefer to get the 9800x3d but we dont have a release date for that.

Maybe just breathe and slow down. I mean if your Intel stuff is dead and u need a replacement ASAP the 7800x3d is a great choice but waiting to see what Intel does and waiting on the 9800x3d seems prudent.

 

[TheELF]

but waiting to see what Intel does

Just my guess.
After the microcode/new bios gets applied they will ask people to check if they get the stated single core clocks at less than 1.5V (or whatever it will be) if it doesn't you will get an RMA, if it does then your CPU is still doing what you paid for and will keep doing that for a normal CPU life time as long as you don't overclock it.

Or they will do RMAs for anybody that wants one and they are going to validate those CPUs themselves and give them out again, as re-binned if they don't validate as the sku they are anymore.

 

[AnandThenMan]

It isn't a fiasco, yet...

Really. Can't wait to see what the full blown fiasco looks like.

 

[lakedude]

Really. Can't wait to see what the full blown fiasco looks like.

Nobody outside the tech community knows. It seems huge to us but it isn't big enough (yet).

Intel isn't ever going to cover the cost to switch to AMD. If someone freaks out and buys AMD they are going to be out that cost.

 

[bigboxes]

Nobody outside the tech community knows. It seems huge to us but it isn't big enough (yet).

Intel isn't ever going to cover the cost to switch to AMD. If someone freaks out and buys AMD they are going to be out that cost.

You really are lost. Intel changes platform so often that it's the same as going to AMD. Haven't you figure that out yet?

 

[lakedude]

You really are lost. Intel changes platform so often that it's the same as going to AMD. Haven't you figure that out yet?

I'm running AMD but thanks for your assessment.

If someone has a perfectly functional recent Intel system switching to AMD right now, before 9xxx is out is ill advised.

 

[Josh128]

I agree completely. I was with Intel most of the time, but sometime around Athlon64 I went with AMD, then when Conroe came back in about 2006, I was with them until 2017 and Zen. Still with Zen. I actually was hoping that sometime soon , Intel would be competitive, but after the Raptorlake degrading thing, I may even still stall a little bit, even if they are completive again (and efficient), due to Intel policies. They need performance, efficiency and good customer policies.

My good man, you just told my story. Went from Intel P2 450 to Athlon XP to Athlon 64 to Core 2 E8400 to i5 2500 to Ryzen 1700 and been on AMD since....

 

[poke01]

I went from some dumb Celeron to i5 4460 to i5 12400 to Ryzen 7700X. I was an Intel user all my life till recently.

Might go back if Intel has better specs, efficiency, price, platform longevity. Let’s see might take a couple of years. But if AMD gives me Zen 6 upgrade path I’ll take it regardless of where Intel is, not throwing away a great motherboard.

 

[Markfw]

By the way, if Intel gets competitive an speed and efficiency, and they have avx-512, I will switch back in a heartbeat.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Haven't bought Intel since Celery 300A I admit things were rough for awhile.

 

[lakedude]

Re "fiasco"

Wendell from L1 just referred to the scale of the Raptor Lake problems to be the size of a rounding error compared to other issues. 11:35 in the video.