Just how bad was Gitmo?

[Phokus]

Bad enough that a teenage canadian endured this:

While he was at Guantanamo, Omar Khadr was beaten to the head, nearly suffocated, threatened with having his clothes taken indefinitely, and lunged at by attack dogs while wearing a bag over his head. ?Your life is in my hands,? an intelligence officer told him during an interrogation in the spring of 2003.

During the questioning, Omar gave an answer the interrogator did not like. The man spat in Khadr?s face and threatened to send him to Israel, Egypt, Jordan or Syria?places where they tortured people the old-fashioned way: very slowly, analytically removing body parts. The Egyptians, the interrogator told Omar, would hand him to Askri raqm tisa?Soldier Number Nine. Soldier Number Nine, the interrogator explained, was a guard who specialized in raping prisoners.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...how-bad-was-gitmo.html

Remember, even GEORGE FUCKING BUSH publicly stated he want to close down GITMO and Cheney and his despicable cabal of conservative thugs have the gall to criticize Obama for wanting to close it down himself. Conservatives should hang their heads in shame. Of course we know they won't because they cherish these actions.

 

[StageLeft]

And some "Americans" actually condone this.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
And some "Americans" actually condone this.

And call it 'Patriotic' when they do. Disgusting.

 

[mstersmith]

Doesnt bother me at all. Closing this down will make the Terrorsit love us. Oh wait, they will just find another reason we are the devil.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Bad enough that a teenage canadian endured this:

While he was at Guantanamo, Omar Khadr was beaten to the head, nearly suffocated, threatened with having his clothes taken indefinitely, and lunged at by attack dogs while wearing a bag over his head. ?Your life is in my hands,? an intelligence officer told him during an interrogation in the spring of 2003.

During the questioning, Omar gave an answer the interrogator did not like. The man spat in Khadr?s face and threatened to send him to Israel, Egypt, Jordan or Syria?places where they tortured people the old-fashioned way: very slowly, analytically removing body parts. The Egyptians, the interrogator told Omar, would hand him to Askri raqm tisa?Soldier Number Nine. Soldier Number Nine, the interrogator explained, was a guard who specialized in raping prisoners.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...how-bad-was-gitmo.html

Remember, even GEORGE FUCKING BUSH publicly stated he want to close down GITMO and Cheney and his despicable cabal of conservative thugs have the gall to criticize Obama for wanting to close it down himself. Conservatives should hang their heads in shame. Of course we know they won't because they cherish these actions.

The whole second paragraph are just examples of scare tactics.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: mstersmith
Doesnt bother me at all. Closing this down will make the Terrorsit love us. Oh wait, they will just find another reason we are the devil.

Republicans.txt

 

[chucky2]

And we know this is all the truth how?

Chuck

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: mstersmith
Doesnt bother me at all. Closing this down will make the Terrorsit love us. Oh wait, they will just find another reason we are the devil.

:roll:

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: mstersmith
Doesnt bother me at all. Closing this down will make the Terrorsit love us. Oh wait, they will just find another reason we are the devil.

And what about the moderates? What about our so called allies that are critical of our aggressive/abrasive foreign policy?

 

[misle]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Bad enough that a teenage canadian endured this:

While he was at Guantanamo, Omar Khadr was beaten to the head, nearly suffocated, threatened with having his clothes taken indefinitely, and lunged at by attack dogs while wearing a bag over his head. ?Your life is in my hands,? an intelligence officer told him during an interrogation in the spring of 2003.

During the questioning, Omar gave an answer the interrogator did not like. The man spat in Khadr?s face and threatened to send him to Israel, Egypt, Jordan or Syria?places where they tortured people the old-fashioned way: very slowly, analytically removing body parts. The Egyptians, the interrogator told Omar, would hand him to Askri raqm tisa?Soldier Number Nine. Soldier Number Nine, the interrogator explained, was a guard who specialized in raping prisoners.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...how-bad-was-gitmo.html

Remember, even GEORGE FUCKING BUSH publicly stated he want to close down GITMO and Cheney and his despicable cabal of conservative thugs have the gall to criticize Obama for wanting to close it down himself. Conservatives should hang their heads in shame. Of course we know they won't because they cherish these actions.

The only thing mentioned that would be considered torture is the "beaten to the head" part, which shouldn't happen, imo. Everything else mentioned would be considered scare tactics, which I don't have a problem with.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Skoorb
And some "Americans" actually condone this.

And call it 'Patriotic' when they do. Disgusting.

Enlighten us on a little history of Omar Khadr and his family before we make such judgements about what we did. Though judgements are needed, lets not forget what this poor Canadian Teenager did and was planning to do.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Skoorb
And some "Americans" actually condone this.

And call it 'Patriotic' when they do. Disgusting.

Enlighten us on a little history of Omar Khadr and his family before we make such judgements about what we did. Though judgements are needed, lets not forget what this poor Canadian Teenager did and was planning to do.

It's irrelevant what he did (or didn't or was accused of) do. Torture is illegal regardless.

That's why we don't allow murderers and rapists to be beaten up every day when they are in prison, while protecting prisoners with "lesser" crimes.

A person was in our custody. We are required *by law* to treat him a certain way, which doesn't include torture. What that person did has no bearing at all with his treatment. Can you somehow argue differently?

Geez, the lack of thinking by people trying to defend this is truly mind-boggling.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: misle

Originally posted by: Phokus
Bad enough that a teenage canadian endured this:

While he was at Guantanamo, Omar Khadr was beaten to the head, nearly suffocated, threatened with having his clothes taken indefinitely, and lunged at by attack dogs while wearing a bag over his head. ?Your life is in my hands,? an intelligence officer told him during an interrogation in the spring of 2003.

During the questioning, Omar gave an answer the interrogator did not like. The man spat in Khadr?s face and threatened to send him to Israel, Egypt, Jordan or Syria?places where they tortured people the old-fashioned way: very slowly, analytically removing body parts. The Egyptians, the interrogator told Omar, would hand him to Askri raqm tisa?Soldier Number Nine. Soldier Number Nine, the interrogator explained, was a guard who specialized in raping prisoners.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...how-bad-was-gitmo.html

Remember, even GEORGE FUCKING BUSH publicly stated he want to close down GITMO and Cheney and his despicable cabal of conservative thugs have the gall to criticize Obama for wanting to close it down himself. Conservatives should hang their heads in shame. Of course we know they won't because they cherish these actions.

The only thing mentioned that would be considered torture is the "beaten to the head" part, which shouldn't happen, imo. Everything else mentioned would be considered scare tactics, which I don't have a problem with.

You don't mind trying to suffocate someone? Really?

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Skoorb
And some "Americans" actually condone this.

And call it 'Patriotic' when they do. Disgusting.

Enlighten us on a little history of Omar Khadr and his family before we make such judgements about what we did. Though judgements are needed, lets not forget what this poor Canadian Teenager did and was planning to do.

It's irrelevant what he did (or didn't or was accused of) do. Torture is illegal regardless.

That's why we don't allow murderers and rapists to be beaten up every day when they are in prison, while protecting prisoners with "lesser" crimes.

A person was in our custody. We are required *by law* to treat him a certain way, which doesn't include torture. What that person did has no bearing at all with his treatment. Can you somehow argue differently?

Geez, the lack of thinking by people trying to defend this is truly mind-boggling.

Which law are you speaking of? Murderers and rapists are usually citizens protected under the constitution, he was not a citizen of the US. Geneva convention? He was not a uniformed soldier he is an enemy combatant so the Geneva convention doesn't apply here. If he was tortured then that is wrong, but totally glossing over who this guy is--is wrong as well.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Skoorb
And some "Americans" actually condone this.

And call it 'Patriotic' when they do. Disgusting.

Enlighten us on a little history of Omar Khadr and his family before we make such judgements about what we did. Though judgements are needed, lets not forget what this poor Canadian Teenager did and was planning to do.

It's irrelevant what he did (or didn't or was accused of) do. Torture is illegal regardless.

That's why we don't allow murderers and rapists to be beaten up every day when they are in prison, while protecting prisoners with "lesser" crimes.

A person was in our custody. We are required *by law* to treat him a certain way, which doesn't include torture. What that person did has no bearing at all with his treatment. Can you somehow argue differently?

Geez, the lack of thinking by people trying to defend this is truly mind-boggling.

That and the trials have been a sham, several prosecutors have been dismissed (or resigned out of protest) and they're doing everything to withold evidence that could prove his innocence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Skoorb
And some "Americans" actually condone this.

And call it 'Patriotic' when they do. Disgusting.

Enlighten us on a little history of Omar Khadr and his family before we make such judgements about what we did. Though judgements are needed, lets not forget what this poor Canadian Teenager did and was planning to do.

not a relevant argument

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Skoorb
And some "Americans" actually condone this.

And call it 'Patriotic' when they do. Disgusting.

Enlighten us on a little history of Omar Khadr and his family before we make such judgements about what we did. Though judgements are needed, lets not forget what this poor Canadian Teenager did and was planning to do.

It's irrelevant what he did (or didn't or was accused of) do. Torture is illegal regardless.

That's why we don't allow murderers and rapists to be beaten up every day when they are in prison, while protecting prisoners with "lesser" crimes.

A person was in our custody. We are required *by law* to treat him a certain way, which doesn't include torture. What that person did has no bearing at all with his treatment. Can you somehow argue differently?

Geez, the lack of thinking by people trying to defend this is truly mind-boggling.

Which law are you speaking of? Murderers and rapists are usually citizens protected under the constitution, he was not a citizen of the US. Geneva convention? He was not a uniformed soldier he is an enemy combatant so the Geneva convention doesn't apply here. If he was tortured then that is wrong, but totally glossing over who this guy is--is wrong as well.

where does the constitution say that it doesn't cover non-citizens?

 

[mstersmith]

Were does the Constitution say that it does cover non citizens? Glad some of you shed a tear for these animals because most of us wont.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: mstersmith
Were does the Constitution say that it does cover non citizens? Glad some of you shed a tear for these animals because most of us wont.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Applies to the Federal Government too.

Just because you wipe with the constitution doesn't mean everyone else does.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: mstersmith
Doesnt bother me at all. Closing this down will make the Terrorsit love us. Oh wait, they will just find another reason we are the devil.

People like you, if you grew up in a country like Syria, Iran, etc. would probably be the types who would support terrorists. Congrats on being morally bankrupt.

 

[teclis1023]

Originally posted by: mstersmith
Doesnt bother me at all. Closing this down will make the Terrorsit love us. Oh wait, they will just find another reason we are the devil.

I would rather have them have to make up a reason instead of giving them one.

 

[teclis1023]

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
Which law are you speaking of? Murderers and rapists are usually citizens protected under the constitution, he was not a citizen of the US. Geneva convention? He was not a uniformed soldier he is an enemy combatant so the Geneva convention doesn't apply here. If he was tortured then that is wrong, but totally glossing over who this guy is--is wrong as well.

The term enemy combatant was engineered so as to avoid giving the basic rights of the Geneva Convention to prisoners of war.

If, as Wikipedia claims, he threw a grenade at a US Soldier and killed him, then he should be considered a prisoner of war. Uniform or not, we have established conventions to deal with this.

Treating someone with dignity doesn't equate to 'loving the terrorists' or 'hating America'

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: mstersmith
Doesnt bother me at all. Closing this down will make the Terrorsit love us. Oh wait, they will just find another reason we are the devil.

People like you, if you grew up in a country like Syria, Iran, etc. would probably be the types who would support terrorists. Congrats on being morally bankrupt.

What is phenomenal is that these dirt bags have exactly the same respect for human life as the terrorists do.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: mstersmith
Were does the Constitution say that it does cover non citizens? Glad some of you shed a tear for these animals because most of us wont.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Applies to the Federal Government too.

Just because you wipe with the constitution doesn't mean everyone else does.

"Person" may be another word referring to US citizens. However, I have not reviewed case law so am unsure what USSC rulings may have interpreted this as.

 

[OCGuy]

Im pretty sure Gitmo is still open.